Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

  • Hopefully not sold to the public like the small module (still installed in the container) supposedly sold for climatizing the Doral warehouse, as witnessed by a USQL affidavit for the USPTO, even though the small modules only ran for a couple of days at best, and were reported not to work due to leaks and other excuses (IH built them wrong, etc.)... and IH technically had already purchased the module as part of the reactor years earlier... And yet Doral was the point of sale...

  • @Para: no - with sold I mean sold like any other heating device to public, e.g. by Buderus or Viessmann. Since AR has announced to start selling industrial units this year there must be already sales and distribution channels contracted and set up, and their training in using, installing and selling is on the way...

  • I would place £500 on the table against your crisp £50 note that this time next year there will be no working AR reactors sold to the public.

    You're on, assuming Alan Smith will agree to hold the money and act as as referee. I will send him an undated check for 50 pounds if you will send him one for 500 pounds.

    The only snag I see, if production materializes, is that the first units will probably be sold with a NDA and the results not known until later. But I would accept Alan Smith's judgement on this.


    Sam12. Be careful. You are likely to be banned for being boorish if you defend Rossi.

  • I would add the caveat they the product must produce Energy Out > Energy In.

    Rossi could release multiple products with a COP =1 and then who would win the wager

    How about if Andrea Rossi sells e-cats to Andrea Rossi? And Andrea Rossi (the buyer) confirms that the e-cat works with a COP>1.

    Is this considered a legitimate sale?

  • Who told you this? Rossi? It is amazing how you try to avoid to admit that Rossi definitely lied with respect to his very important customer. There was none, he himself was his customer he sent the energy bills to. Please read the damn court documents, but this seems to be a hard one for you, isn't it?

  • You're on, assuming Alan Smith will agree to hold the money and act as as referee. I will send him an undated check for 50 pounds if you will send him one for 500 pounds.

    The only snag I see, if production materializes, is that the first units will probably be sold with a NDA and the results not known until later. But I would accept Alan Smith's judgement on this.


    Sam12. Be careful. You are likely to be banned for being boorish if you defend Rossi.

    Im in. With all the stipulations above. Not Rossi selling to himself. COP>1. PUBLIC customer. Ie.i could go to a store and buy the (UL certified) unit. By March 22, 2019.


    Although, since Alan has established himself in Rossi's court. Perhaps somebody more impartial? No offense to your integrity Alan but you have shown bias towards Rossi.

  • Mark H,

    Rossi has stated the first units will be for industrial heating. Also, in earlier days, said such sales come with a guaranteed money back clause if it didn't meet the specs.

    Alan Smith's address is known from "Looking for Heat." I think he would be a fair referee.


    OT, but perhaps this thread needs to cool a little, I just saw the most beautiful skating I have ever seen. Worth a look at the video.

    http://videostory.dkn.tv/life/…veryones-breath-away.html

  • @ JedRothwell,


    If that was in reference to the 2013 experiment, I still think it is true.


    No, it wasn't. All 3 excerpts I quoted come from the thousands of comments that you posted before the 2013 experiment (1).


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    I see no evidence that was fake.


    The main evidences are in the calorimetric report of the January 14, 2011 (2), signed by the same lead author of the 2013 report. In the meanwhile, there has been time to learn better how to write an apparently congruent report.


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    As I said, the test I saw was for an older model similar to the one in the factory. It was before Rossi began calling his machines "E-Cats."


    I'm very sorry, but your secretiveness on this specific test doesn't help in believing in the existence of that old model. Unfortunately, it has happened too many times that you have made contradictory statements.


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    I do not know if it was internally the same or different. I know little about the insides of his machines. Regarding the E-Cat series, I know nothing more than has been made public.


    I must admit that you are a world master in playing with words. The statement of you that I quoted said "I had no inside knowledge of the e-cat results", so it refers to the "inside" knowledge of (unpublished) Ecat results, not to the internals ("insides") of the machines.


    A couple of years ago you wrote (3): "I have photos, data and e-mail from the U.S. military testing of one of Rossi's gadgets. I spent a couple of days meeting with those people." How do you call a person who is directly informed by the US military about the results of some secret tests on a potential world energy breakthrough, and who spend a couple of days discussing these results with them? Isn't it an "insider"?


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    By the time he introduced them, I was alienated from him, and not interested in what he had to say.


    After the introduction of the name Ecat, at the beginning of 2011, until the end of the same year you posted thousands of comments defending the reliability of the results of all the tests carried out in that year. A strange way of being alienated.


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    I learned nothing from Levi et al. except what they published.


    Hard to believe, after reading what you wrote on Vortex in 2011. For example, with reference to the test in liquid phase held on February 10-11, you wrote (4): "I heard a few more details about the test than have been released, so I have somewhat more confidence. I was expecting they would publish all that they told me, and more. As I said, I am disappointed they have not. It is unprofessional."


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    I became interested again when I.H. got involved with him because, as I said, I assumed they had inside knowledge and knew much more about him than I did.


    Excuse my curiosity. Did you tell them that, when they hired you as adviser (5)?


    (1) https://www.lenr-forum.com/for…D/?postID=29406#post29406

    (2) http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGreportonhe.pdf

    (3) https://www.lenr-forum.com/for…R/?postID=26360#post26360

    (4) https://www.mail-archive.com/v…@eskimo.com/msg48014.html 

    (5) Rossi vs. Darden developments [CASE CLOSED]

  • Ascoli,


    If we start publicly humiliating every insider who believed in Rossi early on, LENR is going to be a very lonely place. Only one not fooled it seems was Brian Ahern. Oddly, Brian is one of the few "competitors" Rossi has praised.


    Another thing to consider is that Rossi may have had a "little" something in the beginning. It has not been ruled out. And yes, I have been reading you for years, and understand you have studied his earlier work and determined it was rigged also. But others still have some grounds to think otherwise IMO.


    Let us also keep in mind that the only one deserving of blame, and ridicule is Rossi. Blaming the victims is not the way to go.

  • Only one not fooled it seems was Brian Ahern.


    Perhaps more accurately: I gather that among LENR longtimers there were different levels of optimism, pessimism and skepticism. What optimism there was was due in part to the direct connection to Focardi and through him the indirect connection to Piantelli. There was a willingness among some to withhold judgment until adequate information was available to make an assessment, and, until then, scary tidbits that turned up here and there might be allowed as the result of possible quirks of character. The tests by Levi et al. provided additional grounds for optimism up until (but probably not including) the Lugano test, and after that, Parkhomov's and related reports.


    It was in this context that there were few who had openly expressed a clear judgment on the matter one way or another.

  • I think if you knew most of the LENR researchers, you would find most did not "support" Rossi. Most of the "closed" forums I know of had very little positive posting the first few years of Rossi. They just kept quite. In fact a sizable number have doubts about any Ni based systems.

  • Eric,


    Although I would have no knowledge of what the insiders felt about Rossi, it does make sense that there were many varying opinions among them. However, the only dissenter I really recall speaking up publicly was Brian. And man...he lets you know what he thinks of Rossi! :) He does not mince words, that is for sure.


    That is not to say those in the early days, who kept their distrust of Rossi secret were negligent in their duty to inform the public. As you remind us, there were those like Focardi, Levi and others within the UOB science faculty that Rossi cleverly used to enhance his credibility, that made it a very prudent choice to keep quiet until more information became known.


    Throw in the name of Rossi's most distinguished public supporter...a former president of the Swedish Skeptics Society, respected Nuclear Physicist Kullander, and were I an LENR player, or researcher during that time, I would have kept my mouth shut also,


  • Just one thing. Anyone sensible would view nuclear physicists as completely unqualified to determine whether Rossi had anything or not. Like asking a plumber to do roofing work. Notable that Rossi chooses nuclear physicists as validators.

  • Just one thing. Anyone sensible would view nuclear physicists as completely unqualified to determine whether Rossi had anything or not. Like asking a plumber to do roofing work


    THH,


    Now you tell me! Where were you in the spring of 2011 when I needed to hear that? Oh well, maybe it is good I did not know. At least I had 5 years of hope I never would have had.

  • Sorry Shane, It was boring enough the first time through so I have better things to do than wade through it again. Did you enjoy the video?


    Yes Adrian, and it calmed me down. Now I am upset again, because you made a strong, unsubstantiated claim in Rossi's favor, and now you won't provide a reference.


    Guess I will have to go back and watch that video again.