Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

Any temperature is possible with the R'sters "measurement" systems.

Lets give him the benefit of the doubt from the 275C actual vrs the 450C claimed incident that I witnessed.

He still has enough heat energy to get us to Mars in days if those puppies can be ganged? NASA should drop their program now and shift to Hydrofusion.

With this much heat, the R'ster is obligated to resurrect his miracle TEG modules as well - after all these years - his claimed efficiency is still better than the present state-of-the-art.

It is also now obvious and no wonder the R'ster deep-sixed the 1MW world saver so quickly after the Penon declaration of victory.

The wealthy career specialist Italian Stallion rides again!

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his claimed efficiency is still better than the present state-of-the-art

I don’t have a reference, but I think his claims were finally topped toward the end of last year.

Edit... I might have been thinking of this: https://phys.org/news/2016-11-…l-high-power-factors.html

@ Shane D.,

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So you believe Rossi might have something just like Jed believes.

Absolutely not. I didn’t change my opinion with this respect. But I should be more specific.

CF/LENR is a complex phenomenon that has at least three aspects: physical, economic, and sociological. It's my opinion that the first one does not exist at all, apart from the muonic fusion with its extremely negative energy balance. On the contrary, the other two aspects do exist in real terms. The economic aspect has materialized in hundreds, sometimes thousands, of people simultaneously involved in this research and in the huge flow of money that has fueled such activity for almost 30 years. The sociological aspect is also real and it concerns millions of people all over the world who have believed for a while or for a long time that there could exist a clean, safe, cheap and inexhaustible source of energy able to replace the current ones.

There is no doubt that the Ecat has had an extraordinary success for the last two aspects of the CF/LENR phenomenon. If these two aspects were the only objectives of this initiative from the beginning, it has been a full success, not a fiasco.

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This is the translation: …

Thanks for your more human translation.

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I have read 22Passi/Passerini for years. Not that I speak Italian, but it Google translates well. I love Daniel. Very passionate man, but he has been wrong about Rossi many a time. Yes, he was supposedly a confidant of Rossi, but like all Rossi's "friends", he was used. This one passage of his came from that period. I would not trust it at all.

I consider Passerini a reliable source. Of course he is wrong when he reports incorrect data and results that others tell him. Anyway, he is reliable in reporting this information. Most of the inconsistencies in the Ecat tests carried out in 2011 were detected thanks to his photos and the other information he spontaneously published on his blog. So, if he says that one of his informants told him that Rossi worked with Ahern before meeting Focardi, we can be sure that he got this information. At this point the uncertainty could remain in his source. I guess it was Celani, because they were in close contact. In such case, I have no doubt that Celani could have had first hand information with this respect. He was (is?) the vice-president of the ISCMNS, and was present in every meeting of the LENR community.

Celani talked about a collaboration between Rossi and Ahern since December 2011, in an Italian meeting called Coherence 2011. Someone on Vortex asked JR about this collaboration (1), but got no response. I wonder why.

(1) https://www.mail-archive.com/v…@eskimo.com/msg59580.html

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I'd be happy to take a bet like Mark H offered - but seems to have backed off.

I'm still open subject to stipulations and an independent referee. I was actually looking for some kind of online solution before work commitments got in the way.

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It is clear you have never worked in a heavy industrial environment. You are wrong. There may be exceptions, but I can't think of any equipment in a glass plant that has UL approval. (Maybe the light switch in the office.)

I did not say that. You have a genius for misinterpreting things. I said that industrial equipment is strictly regulated and inspected by government agencies. ALL of it is. See, for example:

Boiler Safety Valve Rules and Regulations: Nameplate Requirements, ASME Standards, State Regulations, and More

https://www.mpofcinci.com/blog…ve-rules-and-regulations/

Those are regulations for the valves. There are more regs for every component in the machine.

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Celani talked about a collaboration between Rossi and Ahern since December 2011, in an Italian meeting called Coherence 2011. Someone on Vortex asked JR about this collaboration (1), but got no response. I wonder why.

Because I know nothing about it. Why don't you ask Ahern? Knowing him, I think there is no chance he worked with Rossi.

Jed - you should have mercy with Adrian - it really seems that his industrial experience and installing of furnaces has been long time ago, could be that he was not naild down to provide safe and efficient use back in the days to authorities. And since he is reluctant to read or ignore public documents, he may not be aware of modern requirements and restrictions in this field...

Wow - that is amazing. AA and the R'ster both have furnace and boiler experience from the 1970s.

Perhaps Jed can remind us of the Miami / Doral boiler laws, certification and inspection requirements that the R'ster

completely ignored.

Adrian- what currency were they issued in and what is the issue date?

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I have no objection if he [Jed] says "I can't say more of what I said". It's his right to keep for him part or even all the information he has. I repeat, he owes nothing to me. But if he replies to a comment of mine saying, for instance, "I had no inside knowledge of the e-cat results. Only what was published by Lewan and in Vortex" (1), t

When I say I have no inside technical information, that's what I mean. When I say I have information I cannot reveal, that is what I mean. I told you that I will not reveal who did the early independent test of the Rossi gadget.

There is no confusion here. I have no inside information on the E-cat results. That is, the results after it was called an "E-cat" and Lewan began publishing. The only thing I know about the high temperature devices is in the Levi reports. McKubre, I and others asked for more details, but the authors never responded. If they had responded I would tell you what they said. Why wouldn't I? They gave me these papers with permission to upload them. Why would I keep secrets about papers that I have handed out to thousands of readers?

It is my deliberate policy not to ask for or accept secret technical information. When people ask me if I would like to know this or that confidentially, I say "no thanks." When they ask me to sign a non-disclosure agreement, I say no. Let me make this 100% clear:

If you have a secret, I don't want to hear it.

I decided this was a good idea many years ago after talking to Arthur Clarke. He said something like: "I don't want to hear any secrets. I may accidentally tell someone, because I cannot keep track of where I learned something or who told me." He had hundreds of experts around the world sending him interesting information, so there was no way he could remember who said what.

I am talking about technical secrets. I know lots of non-technical secrets, such as the ones revealed in the Fleischmann - Miles correspondence. Some of the letters in it were written to me, or from me to Fleischmann, so you can see what I knew years ago about Fleischmann's disputes with the NHE. See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Fleischmanlettersfroa.pdf

You could have learned about Miles and his technical disagreements with the NHE soon after he returned from Japan because he published detailed descriptions of those disputes, in several papers. Most of the time, "inside technical information" has been available at LENR-CANR.org for years. Decades, in some cases. For example, from time to time, someone breathlessly reports breaking news: "NASA replicated cold fusion!!!" Yes. We know. They published in 1989 and many times after that:

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FralickGClenratgrcpa.pdf

Most of the inside technical information Ascoli65 has been needling me for is available at LENR-CANR.org. Try using the Google custom search box and you will find it, or any Google search with this parameter: "site:LENR-CANR.org"

I also know some temporary technical secrets, such as what authors are writing in papers they plan to publish. I do a lot of copy editing and translating, so I read the papers a few months before they are published. You can read them all eventually. You can learn everything I know, and more, by reading the JCMNS:

http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1495

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Jed - you should have mercy with Adrian - it really seems that his industrial experience and installing of furnaces has been long time ago,

Yes. A very long time ago! It must have been before 1880, when the ASME was established, and the era of modern industrial regulations began. The ASME drew up standards and the Congress ordered them enforced. First in boilers, then railroads, factory equipment and soon everything else.

Other industrial standards predate that a considerable margin. For example, I have a barn in Pennsylvania that did not meet building codes when it was constructed, and it cost me a lot to bring it up to code. I mean the building codes of 1790. The guy who repaired it knows those codes well, and he said "whoever made this foundation was probably run out of town on a rail." Purity and safety standards for beer brewing in Germany were established in 1516, and they are still in force.

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Perhaps Jed can remind us of the Miami / Doral boiler laws, certification and inspection requirements that the R'ster

completely ignored.

Such as:

https://www.asme.org/shop/cour…-boilers-pressure-vessels

Back in the day when industrial standards were printed on paper, part of my job was to review some of the telecommunications regs from time to time. You could usually get what you needed from the FCC by mail, but in one case I went to Washington to look them up. The regulations were in a public area open during business hours. It was an entire room full of books. A library.

Industrial standards for safety and compatibility are the life-blood of modern technology. I looked up the UBS-3 standard last year to find how fast it is supposed to go. The document describing the USB-3 was hundreds of pages long! That is for one small component in a modern computer. See:

http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/

I believe that one could "purchase" more relaxed standards in many categories if you were with the right Italian "family".

@ JedRothwell,

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Because I know nothing about it. Why don't you ask Ahern? Knowing him, I think there is no chance he worked with Rossi.

Thank you for your opinion, but in this specific case I am more inclined to believe what has been revealed by Celani ("to the best of [his] knowledge") and by Passerini's informant:

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"... , before going back to Italy and looking for Focardi, Andrea Rossi had worked for a certain period together with Brian Ahern in the same laboratory in the USA, adding (but this is only my guess) to suspect that it could be a military / government laboratory. "

Anyone curious about the Ecat affair should reflect upon this possibility.

Adrian, just have a look a this site: https://www.globalspec.com/ind…ctory/oil_burning_boilers

This may give you and others who believe in the Rossi-saga of certified industrial devices (means he had provided details and evidence to authorized 3rd parties = hand them over detailed device descriptions, drawings, a full working device, or at least demonstrate the safe and efficient use of a device e.g. to a CSA inspector) hopefully some food for thought... the best thing Rossi could do is to simply let everybody know, that his device for industrial use is approved and certified (must be if he wants to start selling it this year) and provide evicence for that.

But I am sure that none of his many ECATs has never seen an independent 3rd party test lab. One would know or find it out....

You don't want to get Brian Ahern started on this subject as he is very unhappy about the diverted / wasted resources

caused by the deceptions & distractions of the wealthy career specialist.

@Bob, for years I have asked Rossi-addicts what it would take to change their mind about their hero. I have never gotten an answer. That is because there is nothing that will change their minds. They will believe Rossi is the misunderstood genius inventor until their dying day. That remarkable mental aberration is what has kept me glued to this saga for 7 years.

@Bob 

"If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and acts like a duck... it IS a duck.

What does Rossi's past track record and CURRENT practices look, sound and act like?"

SCNR!