Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

Quote from Ascoli65

Thank you for your opinion, but in this specific case I am more inclined to believe what has been revealed by Celani ("to the best of [his] knowledge") and by Passerini's informant:

"... , before going back to Italy and looking for Focardi, Andrea Rossi had worked for a certain period together with Brian Ahern in the same laboratory in the USA, adding (but this is only my guess) to suspect that it could be a military / government laboratory. "

You "believe" what Celani said about what Brian Ahern supposedly did? That's ridiculous. That is a game of telephone (whispering from one person to another). If you want to know what Brian did, ASK BRIAN.

Quote from Tony

Maybe I'm not. But I sort of got the idea that IH hired the most experienced and expensive "experts" money can buy, both to do "PR" and to "show" Rossi was a scam in court? And then they settled. And if taking into account all the Dewey talk made here up until that point, it seems more like IH lost BIG time. Rossi got his freedom and IP back and IH pulled back into silence... Dead silence, well except for some random comments by Dewey explaining that (not why) everyone except him is such a loser ... especially if doubting the great honor of IH... To me it looks more like an attempt to do damage control than anything else.

@Tony,

I think you are spot on.

The whole Thomas Darden Charade stinks to high heaven and back. The mantra of being the good guys in the industry is so cynical it is almost comical.

Or Rossi is a scammer and you nail him in court. Or the Dottore is onto something and you try to steal his IP. It cannot be both ways.

Dewey Weaver makes people believe it is the former, but despite all his earlier big words in regards to killing off Rossi, still has to protect the reputation, or the very little that is left of it, of his so-called good friend in NC, now that Rossi appears stronger than ever.

Cheers,

JB

Or Rossi is a scammer and you nail him in court. Or the Dottore is onto something and you try to steal his IP. It cannot be both ways.

Glad to see some realism from Rossi-land.

The only IP that you claim IH tried to steal was that used n the year-long test which Rossi himself believes has no commercial value - because he has abandoned it.

Of course IH did not try to steal it. They offered Ross $100M if it worked - which it did not.

For IH to be trying to steal it you need:

(1) It worked (it did not)

(2) IH lied under oath, and forged notes of meetings with other investors where they discuss being willing to pay Rossi for working tech

(3) Rossi abandons working and 1 year tested, with "customer" in factory, LENR tech for something that is less useful (because much lower power) not ready to commercialise for at least 2 years (from the end of the IH test), and not yet shown even in a rigged Rossi demo to generate power.

Yes, Rossi's rigged demos have got less convincing over time, which is actually a point in favour of Rossi honesty, or else it means he is getting less inventive over time? The QX demo never measured input power.

I'm with IO on this one: the mental contortions needed to conclude this "Rossi IP worked and IH tried to steal it" story, given available public evidence, are an unending source of fascination.

Quote from Mark H

I'm still open subject to stipulations and an independent referee. I was actually looking for some kind of online solution before work commitments got in the way.

Comment Rossi blog

1. Betsy March 25, 2018 at 3:21 PM

   Dr Rossi:

   Do you know that there are a circuit of betting that offers to bet on the odds of the probability that you succeed in putting for sale the Ecats by the year 2019?

   How much would you bet that you will succeed?

2. Andrea Rossi March 25, 2018 at 4:01 PM

   Betsy:

   He, he, he…

   I already bet my life.

   Warm Regards,

   A.R.

   P.S.

   Disclaimer: I hope I will succeed, but I am not sure of it.

Interesting that "Betsy" is an Anglo-Saxon name writing with non-native English grammar...

Maybe that is just apophenia?

@ JedRothwell,

Quote from JedRothwell

I told you that I will not reveal who did the early independent test of the Rossi gadget.

I didn't ask you to reveal their names (1).

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There is no confusion here. I have no inside information on the E-cat results. That is, the results after it was called an "E-cat" and Lewan began publishing.

It seems instead that you are very confused indeed (2).

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The only thing I know about the high temperature devices is in the Levi reports.

The Levi report on the high temperature device appeared only in 2013 (3), two years after the January 2011 demo, when the name Ecat was revealed. You are really very confused, unless you are trying to mislead the readers here on L-F.

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If you have a secret, I don't want to hear it.

I don’t want to hear yours too. You started this last exchange with me a week ago (4). Since then I have not asked you anything, just wondered (asked myself) about some missing information. The only question I asked you was if you still agree with what you wrote in 2011, when you said that if Rossi was a liar, then all the others who claimed or supported the results of the Ecat, or even of any other Ni cell, are liars too (5). You didn't answer, and I didn't insist.

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Most of the inside technical information Ascoli65 has been needling me for is available at LENR-CANR.org.

Thanks, I have already used and appreciated your library. Anyway, you should not feel needled by me. You have the right to keep your secrets, as well as any other information you have. But if you reply to me saying something that doesn't correspond with what you wrote in the past, I let you know the incongruity.

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(2) https://www.mail-archive.com/v…@eskimo.com/msg41484.html

(3) http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1305/1305.3913.pdf

(4) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/4645-rossi-blog-comment-discussion/?postID=82342#post82342

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@ Bob,

Quote from Bob

Here is what you and AA should do.

If you associate me with Adrian Ashfield, probably you don't know my position. I never believed that the Ecat produced any excess heat, and its story convinced me more than ever that there has never been any anomalous excess heat in the whole CF/LENR history, and never will be. (This is only my opinion, of course. I don't want to hurt the many here that think differently.)

As for your questions, I don't know if you have read my previous comments on the Ahern issue. Otherwise, I'd invite you to read at least a couple of them (1-2). Only later, please, let me know which questions you confirm, and I will answer you. Just to avoid wasting time for some misunderstandings.

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@ JedRothwell,

Quote from JedRothwell

You "believe" what Celani said about what Brian Ahern supposedly did? That's ridiculous. That is a game of telephone (whispering from one person to another).

I said "I am more inclined to believe". It's different.

In any case, it's not a matter of whispers. Celani wrote those things in some of his presentations spanning from 2011 to 2017, and there is a good chance he was also the informant of Passerini. For his position, Celani was in contact with many people in the LENR field. Surely he had the opportunity to meet the two protagonists of this alleged collaboration.

I think that what he revealed worth to be taken in due consideration. If true, it sheds a completely different light on the whole Ecat affair. Otherwise it remains in any case the needing to understand first of all how a controversial man like Rossi, with all his well-known failures, has been allowed to enter the top and most secret circles of the LENR field.

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If you want to know what Brian did, ASK BRIAN.

He would deny it. Of course.

“Rossi appears stronger than ever”

Like I said, this sort of mental aberration keeps me coming back for more. I would love to hear the rationale for that astounding claim.

WCG - you make the most tiresome of appearances. The wealthy career specialist is already in the footnote dustbin of science history while beautifully positioning himself to be among one of the most successful wealthy career specialist of all time. He is a five time winner loser. Regarding the trial, the R'ster panicked and asked for a walk-away settlement just minutes before Darden was to take the stand. Spin as you wish but expect to be countermanded and cleaned up if you get too far out of line. We'll allow all the inbreds on Planet Rossi to believe this was a huge victory if they'd like. In reality, the shattered pieces of the related IP got left in the ashes of the R'sters vapor trail.

We'll see how history treats IH / TD - we're still in the early chapters with a drama scene or two already on the books. And remember - the winners are the ones who get to write the history.

“Positive results are published in some journal or newspaper”

Journal of Nuclear Physics? National Enquirer?

AA - why is my name on your betting list?

Interested Observer - its going to something more along the lines of the Planet Rossi Times.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

So the terms would be if Rossi produces commercial E-Cats by mid 2019 (my estimate of when it will happen) you will pay me $500. If he fails to do so I will pay you $50. (It could be pounds if you prefer),

We will both send undated checks to Alan Smith if he agrees to hold them and act as referee.

By copy of this post will Alan please be kind enough to reply.

I prefer dollars - much easier to spend up here in the socialist republic of Northern California. I will head to Wells Fargo tomorrow to order new checks and as soon as they come in and Alan says ok, I will send check to him for $500. Alan, please send me address by pm and additional confirmation once you receive AA's check (I will send mine without waiting for confirmation of receipt of AA's check).

Quote from sam12

I understood the proposal but put it at even odds to emphasize what I think are the chances of Rossi having a product to purchase.

When I was younger I likely would

have bet the $20,000 but being close

to retirement I am more cautious.

I do plan on investing in Leonardo

Corporation if it goes on the stock market.

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Oh, to be representing an underwriter of that IPO and conducting do diligence:

Attorney for underwriter: Dr. Rossi, we need to see ALL of your technical materials, e.g., specifications, drawings, test results, everything since day one.

Rossi: I can't let you have any of that because I can't risk my IP.

Attorney: TAXI!

And then the inevitable class action for multiple 10b-5 violations and the accompanying disclosure. And if it is the SEC suing, hey, they don't need to worry about the litigation budget - they just subpoena and you either comply or they get a contempt citation ready. Unless you are a mega billion international, e.g., Appel, Google, GE, etc. or you have a major law firm on retainer, you don't want to mess with the SEC. Just the cost of complying with their subpoenas will easily run into the hundreds of thousands and tie up you people and organization for months. And this is all their attorneys do and they get good at it (of course then they leave to become partners in Wall Street firms, making a million plus a year, to represent clients in trouble with the SEC). Oh, and let's say the SEC says you haven't done anything wrong, guess what, they don't reimburse you for your legal, accounting, etc. fees or the damage done to your stock price, reputation, etc. They will just waive good bye and put a note in their calendars to come visit you again in a year or so.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

I'm prepared to trust Alan SMith's judgment better than pages of legalese.

How about UL approved and with energy out being greater than energy in (utilizing Rossi's magic technology only, i.e., no batteries, no other chemical processes, etc.) that can be verified by any US based national lab?.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

THE BET

Taking account of the various inputs I now suggest the following:

The bet is whether Rossi starts producing commercial E-Cats by 6/1/2019. That is the date I estimated he would. Proof will be either that the result is generally accepted at that date, or failing that, positive results are published in some journal or newspaper within the following three months. If not, it will be considered a failure. What Rossi says is not counted as proof. Also that the E-Cats have a COP >6.

The amount of the bet is $50 from me vs. $500 from each of you.

I will send Alan $50 US checks from FedEx that are undated and good indefinitely. Something Alan can confirm if need be. I will accept regular undated checks from everyone except Woodworker, who doesn't trust people here, rather than tie up your money. I will accept the Stirling equivalent if that is more convenient.

I believe the following have accepted the bet in principle and would ask them to confirm this by the end of the week, when I will post my checks by airmail to Alan.

Mark H

Roseland 67

Woodworker

Dewey Weaver.

Alan Smith's address is:

LENR Ltd

A5 Triq Pietro D'Armenia

Pembroke, PBK 1422

Malta

Thank you again Alan and please confirm the above address is correct.

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I had already posted before you posted this. I am fine with this with one exception - publication must be in a peer reviewed publication, must not be retracted, revised, etc. for another year after publication and (in the conjunctive and not including the disjunctive) must be reproducible by independent unaffiliated third party testers. No publication of "look what I accomplished" without verification and the ability to replicate. If you have that much confidence in Rossi and his honesty, those shouldn't be a problem.