Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

sam12: there was a long-time Rossi believer named Daniel Maris who said the same things you do for years on end. Like clockwork, he would announce that if Rossi didn’t have a product on the market in 6 months or sometimes in a year, then he was done. But year after year, he decided to wait for the next amazing new version of the e-cat that bore no resemblance to the previous amazing version. I guess he finally did throw in the towel... or maybe he is still around with a new name.

Someday, Shane, perhaps you will be able to say that Rossi is a fraud and always has been without hedging your bets. And on that day, you will at last be a free man.

Yes, Rossi is a fraud who may have had something despite that. Being a fraud, or deeply dishonest, or exploitative does not preclude being right about a technical claim. Or right about one claim and an outrageous liar about another. As I have often mentioned, Edison was a piece of work in some ways, and some of his demos were dubious, but he was a real inventor.

It is obvious that people who are convinced that LENR is a real phenomenon tend to want to say that Rossi may have something afterall. I don’t undestand why that is the case. Particularly with respect to Rossi’s most recent demonstrations, what reason is to think that whatever the heck he is doing has anything to do with LENR as it has been observed by others. It seems to me that the only connection to LENR is that Rossi claims that’s what his sprinkler parts are doing. Why believe it regardless of what you think about LENR in general? It seems like even the most ardent LENR follower should have no problem concluding that Rossi has never had anything interesting going on in his magic boxes.

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The only proof that the Ecat works for me is

if the Ecat goes to market and there are

satisfied customers.

So you don't believe in neutrinos or quasars or the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) or "high" temperature superconductivity because you can't buy one at Home Depot?

Actually, if that experiment in which Darden compared a fueled to an unfueled reactor by accident had worked and the fueled reactor had made a lot of energy, everyone would believe Rossi.

It seems that you have no idea at all why skeptics are so sure that Rossi is a fraud. Clues: it isn't hatred, it isn't fear, it isn't jealousy, it isn't most things Rossi supporters think it is. It's simply facts. It's lack of good enough evidence, lack of independent replication, Rossi's long collection of lies, errors, and contradictions, and not to forget that Rossi was a criminal in Italy, no matter what he claims about it on his web site. None of this has anything to with the ecat not having reached the market.

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Yes, Rossi is a fraud who may have had something despite that. Being a fraud, or deeply dishonest, or exploitative does not preclude being right about a technical claim. Or right about one claim and an outrageous liar about another. As I have often mentioned, Edison was a piece of work in some ways, and some of his demos were dubious, but he was a real inventor.

Sure he was a real inventor. In the sense that Madoff was a real investor. Maybe what Rossi is doesn't "preclude being right about a technical claim" but it sure lowers the expectation. And after all these years and all the evidence of fraud on the part of Rossi, those expectations should not be noticeably above zero.

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sam12: there was a long-time Rossi believer named Daniel Maris who said the same things you do for years on end. Like clockwork, he would announce that if Rossi didn’t have a product on the market in 6 months or sometimes in a year, then he was done. But year after year, he decided to wait for the next amazing new version of the e-cat that bore no resemblance to the previous amazing version. I guess he finally did throw in the towel... or maybe he is still around with a new name.

It is going to be interesting over the next few

months.

1. Frank Acland May 8, 2018 at 2:02 PM

   Dear Andrea,

   If possible, could you confirm or not confirm my interpretation of the current situation.

   1) You are currently working in one location in the USA?

   2) You have started to build a production system?

   3) The production system is designed to build 1 kW E-Cat QX Modules?

   4) You have not yet started producing the modules in the system (too early)?

   5) The production system you are building will have the capacity to build 100,000 1 kW Modules over the course of one year?

   6) If the production system works well, and if sales are strong enough, you can duplicate the production system to increase capacity?

   Thank you and best wishes,

   Frank Acland

2. Andrea Rossi May 8, 2018 at 2:41 PM

   Frank Acland:

   1- yes

   2- yes

   3- yes

   4- exactly

   5- yes

   6- yes

   Warm Regards,

   A.R.

So he's starting to build a factory but we still haven't seen one working prototype? I, of course, discount the "Stockolm" DPS.

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It is going to be interesting over the next few

months.

1. Frank Acland May 8, 2018 at 2:02 PM

   Dear Andrea,

   If possible, could you confirm or not confirm my interpretation of the current situation.

   1) You are currently working in one location in the USA?

   2) You have started to build a production system?

   3) The production system is designed to build 1 kW E-Cat QX Modules?

   4) You have not yet started producing the modules in the system (too early)?

   5) The production system you are building will have the capacity to build 100,000 1 kW Modules over the course of one year?

   6) If the production system works well, and if sales are strong enough, you can duplicate the production system to increase capacity?

   Thank you and best wishes,

   Frank Acland

2. Andrea Rossi May 8, 2018 at 2:41 PM

   Frank Acland:

   1- yes

   2- yes

   3- yes

   4- exactly

   5- yes

   6- yes

   Warm Regards,

   A.R.

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Sam,

Frank Akland’s web site, ECW, is entirely dependent on Rossi supporters believing that The Ecat works.

Frank, like Alan, cannot ask Rossi for proofs of anything for fear of being castigated and put on the outside of all things Ecat. This is the reason why Frank’s questions are so inane and why Alan preferred to not even ask Rossi any questions when he attended the last demo.

Use your own instincts here, would you invest your own $$$$ with Andrea Rossi?

No reasonable person would.

The Ecat does not now and never has produced Energy Out > Energy. in,

Rossi is a fraud.

Sam,

In your judgement, what are the chances that anything Rossi says bears any relation to reality?

If your answer in percentage terms has any number to the left of the decimal point, you may consider some remedial education.

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Sure he was a real inventor. In the sense that Madoff was a real investor.

Madoff was a real investor. He made tons of money legitimately starting in the 1960s, and he was given important jobs on Wall Street. Later he began to steal money. So he was both a real investor and a crook.

When you say "he" do you mean Edison? I do not think any historian doubts he was a real inventor. Some people say he was not a real inventor because of the way he treated Tesla, his business partners, and other badly.That is not a valid criterion. A good inventor can be a bad person who treats other people unfairly. Some people look at his exaggerated claims, or they point out that people were making incandescent lights 20 years before Edison began working on them. They say he did not invent anything; he just stole other people's ideas. That is an exaggeration. Everyone knew that incandescent lights had been developed in the 1850s by Moses Farmer and others. Edison never denied that. He said he would make them practical and make them work in parallel rather than serial circuits. That is what he did. People who say he only stole ideas have not studied his work closely.

All inventors and all scientists borrow ideas, steal ideas, and build on the work of others.

Blanket statements dismissing the likes of Edison are greatly exaggerated. They are comic-book history. Real people such as Edison are complicated. In popular culture they may be portrayed as pure-of-heart heroes, or villains, but it is never that simple. Edison himself contributed to the confusion because he resembled Steve Jobs in that he was very good at public relations and projecting an image. He knew what the American public wanted him to be: an aw-shucks country farm boy with a talent for tinkering. He had a rural accent, he chewed tobacco and he wore dirty, ragged clothes -- looking like a Bowery Bum. Kind of the way Jobs wore a black turtleneck shirt. Edison was no farm boy. He hated the countryside. He was complex person and a genius with incredible powers of recall and analysis who knew Shakespeare plays, chemistry, and many other subjects backwards and forwards.

See the Edison biography "A Stroke of Luck" for details.

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Rossi IS a fraud. I am being generous to him and those still believing in him, when I say he may have some small and unreliable effect....similar to Piantelli. Even giving him that, he lied.

Oh yes, very similar effect. I would say he have an effect identical to those of all other LENR researchers. It's impossible to make any distinction, as JR wrote (1): "You would have to make this: Rossi lies, and so do Focardi, Levi, E&K, everyone at Defkalion, and all of the others who have observed this cell and other Ni cells in operation."

The only difference is that Rossi showed to LENR professionals how to raise the bluff level from the lab scale to the industrial one. Thanks to his PR skill, the cold fusion R&D got the largest single funding in its history.

I really can't understand why everyone here is blaming Rossi. LENR believers should thank him for having provided the field with dozens of M$. LENR deniers should also thank Rossi for having highlighted how farcical it was a research that wasted hundreds of M$ of private and public money.

(1) https://www.mail-archive.com/v…@eskimo.com/msg48064.html