The container will be a black box, so the only way we will know the 40MW is from LENR, is through Rossisays.
Good grief. why do you always favor the negative side?
It would be very simple to measure the electricity sup;ied to Rossi;s plant, and the heat the came from it if you didn't believe the customer
Go I have to explain that one could tell from that whether it was energy from LENR?.
If I laid a 40 g egg, this would be world news at no profit.
The babblers nay cluck & cackle like hens but the only eggs they lay are verbal.
QuoteThe container will be a black box, so the only way we will know the 40MW is from LENR, is through Rossisays.
It is extremely unlikely that Rossi will ever even attempt to show a supposed 40 megaWatt device. Of course it would be completely fake but even at that, it would be expensive and dangerous. Not to mention gigantic. If gas turbine powered, it would require an engine as large or larger than that in the current generation of "jumbo" jet liners. You think Rossi is going to buy one of those? And he is going to setup and maintain and operate all the peripheral gear such an engine requires? Dream on. It's all a silly fantasy.
Shane D. What was the largest airplane you ever flew? It probably did not have a 40MW output engine, not in a single engine anyway.
Supplying 40MW will not be good enough to prove it produces excess over unity. That can "easily" be done by natural gas or what ever. It would remain a question of input measurements. My guess is that Rossi will never measure input and output in a verifiable way. At least not simultaneously for extended times.
Shane D.What was the largest airplane you ever flew? It probably did not have a 40MW output engine, not in a single engine anyway.
Ah, ha! The latest GE jet engine is being converted to a 65-MW aeroderivative generator. That does not necessarily mean it delivers 65 MW of thrust, but I'll bet it does.
The babblers nay cluck & cackle like hens but the only eggs they lay are verbal.
Here's a graphic egg...
If gas turbine powered, it would require an engine as large or larger than that in the current generation of "jumbo" jet liners.
What's interesting about this is that the subject was discussed on Rossi's blog today.
Obviously you didn't read it or you would not have written that.
Apparently babblers don't t find it necessary to read the blog they are discussing.
If I laid a 40 g egg, this would be world news at no profit.
You don't know the doctors that will cure you...
Good grief. why do you always favor the negative side?
It would be very simple to measure the electricity sup;ied to Rossi;s plant, and the heat the came from it if you didn't believe the customer
Go I have to explain that one could tell from that whether it was energy from LENR?.
Adrian,
Of course it would be very simple to measure, but Rossi has never done it,
Ask yourself why?
If you had been following the thread you would have seem my work positions when I gave a shot of them at the end of an article in Glass Industry.
I'd like to know if you are a member of the family Nephropidae
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no, I am not, but I like to eat them.
The slight undertone reveals an insult...
What's interesting about this is that the subject was discussed on Rossi's blog today.
Obviously you didn't read it or you would not have written that.
Apparently babblers don't t find it necessary to read the blog they are discussing.
Adrian, while the recurrent insults are fun for many here (including me), do you think they help readers to understand your points? You know many here think that historical facts in the last 7 years (specific ones, posted by me and others) make the believability of Rossi's present statements about e-cats close to 0. It is understood by all that you disagree with this, and take the stance that Rossi's comments now, while not proven, have not been disproven and therefore on basis of other (unspecified) evidence you are inclined to think them likely true.
Those interested in your views (I am one - can't understand them!) would like to hear you answer specific points put forward by those disagreeing with you. There have been many such, and your answers have been generic: "I'm not certain myself, none of the points you make about the past prove anything about the future, therefore I'm going to ignore them".
You could make your views clearer by explaining in more detail how - ignoring all past information - the unsupported comments of a random italian blogger and philosopher of science lead you to think he has made the energy breakthrough of the century?
On a forum such as this there a wide variation in quality of comment, even from the same poster, and so to be sure some of the comments made here are erroneous, vacuous, etc. But many are not, yet you class these as made by babblers. To help you understand the "babblers" (and respect them) you need to engage with Rossi's past statements and actions with respect to e-cats. The past is after all the only information we have - all facts are historic. Although some have brought in previous Rossi adventures you don't need this to have a profoundly negative view of Rossi. He has made claims essentially identical to current about each generation of e-cats (we are now I think on the 3rd or 4th generation).
Each time he has:
In the iteration of this that IH funded we have unprecedented levels of information into Rossi's interation with IH, which is why this gets so much attention here. The pattern however is clear, and would be so even without the IH discovery documentary insight.
Perhaps also relevant is how there are many others in the "commercial wonder invention vapourware" field who fit this pattern. Perhaps you have yourself followed some of these, and can say how many have actually had real product?
Sam:
It is possible to be interested in a story without following a person.
Choose who you follow wisely...
I do choose wisely who I follow.
Adrian is the number one person on my list
who I follow.
Sam, you certainly play your role to the hilt.
Adrian, while the recurrent insults are fun for many here (including me), do you think they help readers to understand your points? You know many here think that historical facts in the last 7 years (specific ones, posted by me and others) make the believability of Rossi's present statements about e-cats close to 0. It is understood by all that you disagree with this, and take the stance that Rossi's comments now, while not proven, have not been disproven and therefore on basis of other (unspecified) evidence you are inclined to think them likely true.
I don't view any of the babble that fills these pages as useful. I try and avoid adding to it but when others insult me, pretend they know what I'm thinking. lie and make up stuff, I may respond. It is called the mirror effect. I don't start the insults.
It seems the babblers can hardly write a post without calling Rossi a criminal, scammer, fraud, con man, etc. What has Rossi ever done to them to justify this hate? To me, he has been trying to develop something of huge value to the world. The people that spend half their lives writing this stuff are sick.
I could understand it if they were talking about something really evil, like the 13 wars in 30 years that have cost us $12.4 trillions, or the sanctions we currently impose that make millions miserable, but Rossi?
How many times do I have to tell you I am not going waste time rehashing that past? I made my conclusions and have no reason to change them.
Rossi has always kept his word about demos, even if sometimes delayed. I am looking forward to see what he shows in the new year. Next time (even if not Jan 2019) he will show a real customer using heat. He couldn't do that at Doral with a pseudo customer, which was what led to so many problems.
Sam12,
Thank you. It makes a pleasant change not to be insulted.
AA
@Adrian Ashfield
The causes of wars is a complex subject and certainly wars are costly and deplorable. But that doesn't excuse Bernie Madoff or Elizabeth Holmes of the recent billion dollar Theranos scam. And although Rossi is small fry compared to those, it doesn't excuse him either. Rossi's lies and cons have harmed legitimate LENR research. Because legitimate enthusiasts of and funding sources for LENR have heartily endorsed Rossi, anything they say or do about LENR will be suspect in the future. So we will be that much further from knowing whether LENR is worth pursuing as an energy source or not.
I, for one, hate to see criminals enriched by their crimes and even respected for them. Rossi has bamboozled many people peripheral to LENR with detrimental results. For example, there is this paper linked below which prominently includes his work (pp 29-31) and thereby places all the rest of the content in doubt. Rossi was originally cited by name in that paper. Several U of I alumni objected and the author edited out Rossi's name. But he still left in the drivel about "energy catalyzer" and ecat and Rossi's lame photos of his early ecats, complete with their chintzy insulation and huge electrical heaters.
http://mragheb.com/NPRE%20402%…%20condensed%20matter.pdf
That's typical. There are probably many. As someone we hear about a lot would tweet: sad ...
QuoteI could understand it if they were talking about something really evil, like the 13 wars in 30 years that have cost us $12.4 trillions, or the sanctions we currently impose that make millions miserable, but Rossi?
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13 recorded accusations for fraudulent actions ? Is that not enough ?
Dumping toxic waste where it is not intended to nbe dumped ? It seems, as if this is ALLOWED ? WTF ?
Echoing SOT’s comments, I don’t see there being any chance for LENR gaining any respect from a broader community as long as Rossi is on the scene. Look at this website. This is presumably the most important website devoted to LENR and the great majority of its content is devoted to squabbling about Rossi and his silly circus act. Sadly, as long as there are a few gullible people who continue to believe Rossi regardless of what happens, this situation will not change. It hasn’t for 7 years and probably won’t for 7 more. The only change is that his remaining supporters are people so completely decoupled from reality that Rossi doesn’t have to work so hard to continue to snow them.
How many times do I have to tell you I am not going waste time rehashing that past? I made my conclusions and have no reason to change them.
Rossi has always kept his word about demos, even if sometimes delayed.
You should "rehash" the past. You make the same horrible mistakes and miscalculations again and again because you refuse to look at Rossi's reports, his data, and his lies and fraud. You are, as Santayana said, one of those who cannot remember the past are are condemned to repeat it.
Rossi never kept his word about any demo. Especially not the 1-year travesty in Doral, Florida. You do not realize this because you refuse to look at his report, his data, his testimony or the photos proving that he lied. You can only maintain your views by believing his blog and refusing to look at anything else, even the evidence Rossi himself gave, such as the Penon report.
Look at this website. This is presumably the most important website devoted to LENR
Who presumes that? Do you think this is more important than the JCMNS or LENR-CANR.org? Why? How many readers does it have?
Rossi has nothing to do with cold fusion.
