Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

  • Dan Galburt

    September 17, 2018 at 4:14 PM

    Dear Dr. Rossi

    You have been maintaining that you, initially, would only be selling heat and, assuming a customer wants to generate electricity, you

    would leave the design and fabrication of a turbine driven generator to your customer.

    Questions

    1. Have you changed direction and let your team become involved in the design and fabrication of such a turbo-generator.

    2. Is your business partner involved rather than your team?

    3. Have you found a customer willing to do the job them selves?

    A “gas turbine” refers to a turbine that compresses air, mixes air with fuel, continuously burns the fuel to heat the air, and expands the heated air through the turbine to create mechanical power. A gas turbine driven might be adapted to use E-Cats to heat the air instead of burning fuel, but it would no longer be a called a gas turbine. Gas turbines are open cycle because they must exhaust the products of combustion to the atmosphere. A turbine driven by E-Cat Heat would not necessarily have to be open cycle, it could use a gas other than air including steam. The key to high efficiency is heating the gas to a high temperature prior to expansion. The design of the heat exchange mechanism that transfers heat from the E-Cat to the gas is critical to achieving high efficiency.

    Questions

    4. In the short term, is the adaption of an existing gas turbine to E-cat heat under serious consideration.

    5. If so, would the gas expanded in the turbine still be air?

    6. Would the turbine still be open cycle?

    7. In your opinion, in the short term, would an overall efficiency of > 30 % be achievable?


    Warm Regards

    Dan Galburt

    __________________________________________

    Andrea Rossi

    September 17, 2018 at 9:29 PM

    Dan Galburt:

    1- no

    2- yes

    3- yes

    4- yes

    5- could be

    6- could be

    7- I suppose you mean the efficiency of the turbine: it will depend on the turbine. I am not an expert of the matter.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.


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    This post is very revealing and locks down my speculation that the partner has taken over the major engineering tasks of converting SK heat into usable power. ABB is a good guess as to who this partner is. The partner is a company who can design and fabricate a prototype LENR based turbine from scratch and ABB can do that and then to manufacture and commercialize this turbine after design is complete.


    ABB wants to be the major player in the electric car infrastructure, If ABB can produce a LENR turbine power plant, then LENR's use to power autos will rocket LENR into the energy market in preference to oil. A LENR turbine will simplify the auto's design greatly. It will remove the weight of the battery and the battery changing infrastructure as an issue in electrification of transportation.


    14 July 2018

    The electric car has finally arrived. And ABB will keep it rolling


    It’s a summer sight to behold: Grand-prix-style racecars hitting speeds of 140 miles an hour on a street-level race course set up in Red Hook, Brooklyn.


    https://new.abb.com/news/detai…-abb-will-keep-it-rolling

  • You are wrong. It is dead easy to strip off the subterfuges. The most recent ones were so amateur and so blatant, he wasn't even trying to fool people. He was phoning it in. He was claiming there is a giant heat exchanger that does not show up in photographs, that would not work, and that could not have been installed where he claimed it was in the mezzanine. Do you call that a smokescreen? It wouldn't fool a 6-year-old! Anyone can see he was lying through his teeth.


    I believe you are one of the people who refuses to look at the Penon report. It is preposterous nonsense and obviously fake. Not difficult at all. I expect that if you did look at it, even you would agree -- although you would not admit that. You would go on saying it was a clever, difficult smoke screen. If that was difficult, what would be easy?

    There must be a lot of turbulence happening is RossiWorld. There are decisions beingmade and unmade in a rapid fashion as ideas come and go at lightning speed. Nobody has said that Rossi is a good manager. Don't let this turbulence confuse you into assuming fraud. It is just poor management in a rapidly changing and dynamic situation.


    Rossi's impact on what will happen in his company will be greatly reduced as the partner takes on the major effort in moving the E cat product forward.

  • The only excess heat generated by Rossi comes from all the "warm regards" he dispenses on his blog.:)

    Rossi has said that he will demo the SK reactor in January. I will hold in abeyance my opinion about Rossi as a con man till then. But I am thinking about investing in ABB as a safe and promising investment. I want to confirm who the partner is before I invest.

  • There must be a lot of turbulence happening is RossiWorld. There are decisions beingmade and unmade in a rapid fashion as ideas come and go at lightning speed. Nobody has said that Rossi is a good manager. Don't let this turbulence confuse you into assuming fraud.

    Turbulence has nothing to with it. The Penon report was filled with peposterous lies, such as claims that the machine produced heat on days Rossi's own records show it was turned off, and when witnesses saw it was turned off and disassembled. Rossi claimed there was a heat exchanger. There is irrefutable proof that no such exchange existed. No one saw it. It does not show up in photos. There was no sign of it later on. Without that heat exchanger everyone in the warehouse would have been cooked if his claims had been true.


    What better proof can you ask for? How much easier could he make it to "strip off the subterfuges"? After you strip off the ones that would not fool a 6-year-old, there is nothing left. Obviously, this is why you refuse to look at the Penon report or the lawsuit depositions. Rossi's own testimony and the documents he uploaded prove beyond doubt that everything he said was a lie. Not a subtle, smoke-screen type lie that takes Sherlock Holmes to see through. It is not difficult to look at a photo of an empty room and see there is no heat exchanger it it.


    Tracking Rossi is like making coffee. You must filter out the grounds before you enjoy your cup.

    Those are not coffee grounds. You are looking at dried horse manure. There is nothing left after you exclude it. As I said, that is why you refuse to look before you drink.

  • Turbulence has nothing to with it. The Penon report was filled with peposterous lies, such as claims that the machine produced heat on days Rossi's own records show it was turned off, and when witnesses saw it was turned off and disassembled. Rossi claimed there was a heat exchanger. There is irrefutable proof that no such exchange existed. No one saw it. It does not show up in photos. There was no sign of it later on. Without that heat exchanger everyone in the warehouse would have been cooked if his claims had been true.


    What better proof can you ask for? How much easier could he make it to "strip off the subterfuges"? After you strip off the ones that would not fool a 6-year-old, there is nothing left. Obviously, this is why you refuse to look at the Penon report or the lawsuit depositions. Rossi's own testimony and the documents he uploaded prove beyond doubt that everything he said was a lie. Not a subtle, smoke-screen type lie that takes Sherlock Holmes to see through. It is not difficult to look at a photo of an empty room and see there is no heat exchanger it it.


    Those are not coffee grounds. You are looking at dried horse manure. There is nothing left after you exclude it. As I said, that is why you refuse to look before you drink.


    The courtroom is the crucible of justice and honesty. If the information that was supplied in the IH case was false, why was the purveyors of that information not convicted of perjury: he offense of willfully telling an untruth in a court after having taken an oath or affirmation.?

  • Rossi said earlier that an experimental SK gas turbine had been run,

    I wasn't expecting that to happen that quickly. His partner must be working on it.

    The Sk is plenty hot enough but I haven't been able to think of a good heat exchanger design. There aren't good conductor materials that can stand the temperature.

    I wonder if adding something like water vapor (not a very good fit) would help the air to capture the radiation directly.

    Of course a closed cycle super critical CO2 turbine could, bu that is a rare beast.

  • The courtroom is the crucible of justice and honesty. If the information that was supplied in the IH case was false, why was the purveyors of that information not convicted of perjury . . .

    Because there was no trial. No one is convicted of perjury when there is no trial, and nothing comes of the lies.


    But you do not need a conviction of perjury to see that Rossi was lying. You can read the report, look at the Penon report, or look at the photos yourself. If you are as smart as a 6-year-old, you will see he was lying through his teeth. That is why you refuse to look. That is why you resort to dodges like asking "why wasn't he convicted of perjury." You should be asking yourself "why don't I see a heat exchanger in this room?" or "how could the machine have produced heat this day, when Rossi says it was turned off?" Those are questions anyone can answer, as opposed to legalistic, hypothetical questions about imaginary perjury convictions that would never happen.

  • Because there was no trial. No one is convicted of perjury when there is no trial, and nothing comes of the lies.


    But you do not need a conviction of perjury to see that Rossi was lying. You can read the report, look at the Penon report, or look at the photos yourself. If you are as smart as a 6-year-old, you will see he was lying through his teeth. That is why you refuse to look. That is why you resort to dodges like asking "why wasn't he convicted of perjury." You should be asking yourself "why don't I see a heat exchanger in this room?" or "how could the machine have produced heat this day, when Rossi says it was turned off?" Those are questions anyone can answer, as opposed to legalistic, hypothetical questions about imaginary perjury convictions that would never happen.


    Penon report could have been inaccurate, but there is no evidence that I know of that Penon and Rossi colluded in the production of that report. If Penon did produce a invalid report, then it is on IH since IH hired Penon to referee the test. In the end, It is the responsibility of IH to make sure that the test was accurate.

  • Rossi has said that he will demo the SK reactor in January. I will hold in abeyance my opinion about Rossi as a con man till then. But I am thinking about investing in ABB as a safe and promising investment. I want to confirm who the partner is before I invest.

    ABB, Siemens, Schneider, Rockwell are all excellent companies in that arena,

    GE is great if want to roll the dice and buy low, hoping they rebound.

    Don’t buy anything connected with

    Andrea Rossi, or you may get “IH’ ed”

  • Penon report could have been inaccurate, but there is no evidence that I know of that Penon and Rossi colluded in the production of that report.

    I am sure they colluded, but even if they did not, the report still proves that Rossi was lying. Even if Rossi did not write it, he uploaded it as proof of his claims, and I am sure he knows it is full of lies, so that makes him a liar as well.


    You cannot challenge my assertions about this, because you refuse to read this report, or the depositions, or any other evidence that punctures your delusions.


    If Penon did produce a invalid report,

    It is invalid in the sense that it describes many impossible things and it is full of outrageous lies. But Rossi claims it is valid. He uploaded it as proof of his claims. It is the opposite of proof to anyone who reads it. It only "convinces" people like you, who refuse to read it, and people who have no technical knowledge whatever.



    , then it is on IH since IH hired Penon to referee the test.

    Yes, it was "on" them, and that is why they rejected the report. Anyone with an ounce of sense would reject it. Even you would see that the machine could not have produced heat when it was turned off. They refereed the test themselves. They did not believe Penon. They told me and others long before it ended that it was garbage. The whole fiasco would have been over when the test ended, if Rossi had not filed a lawsuit.

  • and Penon did not use the equipment he originally told IH he would use.


    and what ever happened to the analysis of the instruments he promised to run after the testing?

  • If IH really believed that the E Cat could not work, then Rossi could get IH to do what he wanted IH to do when IH was properly tenderized. The goal of IH in the legal battle was to get out from under the legal situation with Rossi as cheaply as possible. The legal burn rate that IH had to fund was far more than Rossi so Rossi was spending less money per day than IH was. Rossi was sure to win the case because IH had nothing to gain in continuing the legal fight. IH was on the defensive and Rossi was playing with them like a cat toying with a mouse until Rossi had IH where he wanted them to be. When the time was right and IH was desperate enough, then Rossi pounced and he got his IP back.

    As you seem to like playing lawyer, please provide your evidence (which does not include RossiSays, FrankSays, or AASays) for all those factual conclusions you just stated. You can't so I suggest you stick to something else (I would say your area of expertise, but I am not sure there is one). Also, please let us all know what law school you attended and when you graduated.

  • and Penon did not use the equipment he originally told IH he would use.


    and what ever happened to the analysis of the instruments he promised to run after the testing?



    There is probably a good reason Penon refused to be deposed in the US. He chose neutral Dominican Republic instead, where he met the Jones Day lawyers. I doubt the JD lawyers complained too much...party time. :)


    Same goes for Fabiani...he suddenly decided Miami Beach sucked, and moved to Russia, where he was deposed via telelink, and interpreters.


    You know, Doral was a hell of a story. So many interesting angles to it. You just have to hand it to Rossi. What moxie! He talked IH into shipping the container there under false pretenses (JMP, chemical company, products), hired a down and out retired engineer as his Chief Engineer with a ridiculously fake business card, got his real estate lawyer in on the scheme, brought in his old pals from the old country to assist, blocked IH from even entering their own 1MW plant, made up the heat exchanger story, sabotaged the equipment *after* both sides padlocked it for safe keeping. Deleted emails, corrupted data, made up data, and truly was upset because IH stopped him from getting a Nobel!


    You can not make this stuff up. Maybe we can get Krivits to write a book about it? I am serious. He needs to stop wasting his time fighting against Hot Fusion.

  • As you seem to like playing lawyer, please provide your evidence (which does not include RossiSays, FrankSays, or AASays) for all those factual conclusions you just stated. You can't so I suggest you stick to something else (I would say your area of expertise, but I am not sure there is one). Also, please let us all know what law school you attended and when you graduated.


    I have spent a huge amount of time writing specifications, Listing requirements, designing test plans, developing System Requirements, developing capability demonstrations, producing System test/acceptance plan, participating in negotiations between vendors and customers, and understanding customer/vendor behavior based on associated controlling regulations. It's been awhile and I have forgotten a lot, but I know enough still to consider the management of the Rossi contract that IH conducted was managed by a legion of morons.


    If ABB is Rossi's new partner, then they will have enough experience to know enough to control what Rossi does to advance their business strategies. Whoever Rossi's partner is, they are doing a good job in controlling, managing, and directing Rossi.


    I did not pay attention to the IH test because from early on I judged that the year long test was going to be a disaster and that IH was going to get screwed. And they deserved what they brought onto themselves. Could IH have acted so stupidly in dealing with Rossi, do they share in Rossi's culpability


    victim culpability


    Benjamin Mendelsohn's delineates a typology of criminal victims. The typology consists of six categories: (1) completely innocent victims; (2) victims with minor guilt; (3) voluntary victims; (4) victims more guilty than the offender; (5) victims who alone are guilty; and (6) the imaginary victims.


    https://criminal-justice.irese…om/crime/victimization/4/

  • And of course you repeatedly told everyone this..... I somehow don't recall that at all. Must be my selective attention to your numerous posts.X/

    Go back over the old posts. you will find my distress over IH stupidity. I seem to remember commenting on how stupid it was to have Rossi write the requirements and test plan for IH. The vendor should never write the test documents for the customer.

  • Axil - your mission continues to clarify and truth is hunting you down.


    You know that Rossi ignored any test plans not devised by him along with anything from a sensor / system configuration that would hold him accountable. He even located and removed hidden sensors in the "1MW" container - still not sure how he found all of those but he did.


    It became clear that obfuscation and deception were his way forward. In the end, he was trapped then busted by his own systems though.

    We learned to recognize when we were on top of one of his tricks - he got red-faced, tensed up, threw somebody out, started cursing in Italian and / or flew the coup.


    History will judge whether it was all worth it or not - that gets written by the winners.

  • The courtroom is the crucible of justice and honesty. If the information that was supplied in the IH case was false, why was the purveyors of that information not convicted of perjury: he offense of willfully telling an untruth in a court after having taken an oath or affirmation.?



    (My bold).


    Because courtrooms - especially civil cases - are not designed to deliver justice. They deliver contract Law, ant a high cost in legal expenses. Parties to civil cases know this which is why most settle out of Court. Rossi is a bit unusual in using a Court case as a PR vehicle "bad IH wanted to screw me" is a better story than "my e-cats were, tested and found not to work".


    Unfortunately for Rossi, civil cases, through Discovery, do deliver insights into the truth (and hence the honesty of the participants) not normally ever offered!

  • Rossi said earlier that an experimental SK gas turbine had been run,

    I wasn't expecting that to happen that quickly. His partner must be working on it.

    The Sk is plenty hot enough but I haven't been able to think of a good heat exchanger design. There aren't good conductor materials that can stand the temperature.

    I wonder if adding something like water vapor (not a very good fit) would help the air to capture the radiation directly.

    Of course a closed cycle super critical CO2 turbine could, bu that is a rare beast.


    Adrian, have you considered the inconsistency between your avowed not knowing and your assumptive filter where you only consider "Rossi has the goods" solutions to evidence?


    The above is a good example. Looked at dispassionately, as zorud and others have pointed out, the whole "customer" story arc has as many holes as a colander. it just does not conform to real-world relationships. Yet here are you admitting things seem weird and rationalising (in a style that would be fully approved of on ECW) your preconceptions.


  • It is nice to have, bought at much cost to IH, such a clear and indisuptable knowledge of Rossi's character. I'd summarise it is:


    • He talks the talk (to a friendly audience)
    • Given opposition he becomes clearly irrational and paranoid
    • When subjected to independent testing alas he does not walk the walk


    The (water-tight AFAIK) evidence for each of these points has been enumerated here many times.


    Without the IH court case we would have examples of all of this but not have such definitive evidence.

  • THH - with the added kicker that the above referenced court case was birthed into existence by Rossi.

    I think that he is still having fun though - his yarn-spinning creativity and self-promoting productivity continue to impress. I hope that IH was the last investor to lose money on him. His story telling is likely to continue unless some authorities catch up with him. At this point, I beginning to think that he is going to be able to retire to his real estate empire. I wonder what kind of landlord he is?

  • He even located and removed hidden sensors in the "1MW" container - still not sure how he found all of those but he did.

    This is new to me.


    I recall mention of multiple digital sensors on each of the small reactors that sat in racks along the walls of the 1MW shipping container. These should have continuously generated a huge data stream but I have never been able to clarify for myself what happened to it all or who was supposed to be in charge of it. In any case, a day or two before the 1-year trial began, Rossi permanently shut down all of these small reactors (64 of them I think) saying that they were unsafe. These were the reactors that were made and fueled by IH personnel. Previously I had supposed that Rossi did this because he was worried that one or more of them could be reactors with dummy loads put there purposely to catch him out but now I am wondering if it was more just a workaround to avoid all the instrumentation.