Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

  • Out of curiosity, does anyone actually know anything at all about this latest and most wonderful e-cat? The previous most wonderful e-cat was a glowing tube hooked up to some sprinkler parts and clearly required an hour or two to build. What is the new one like (I mean apart from the spheromaks and hobgoblins hidden inside)?


    Just a wild guess.


    It maybe is gas driven. Rossi can break even (wrt fuel) on his proposed pricing for contracts if he uses gas as the heat source, rather than, as previously, electricity. he has such long history getting away with claiming COP=1 electric heaters are LENR devices that he would I'm sure have the chutzpah to do this.

  • How long have we been waiting for ITER to deliver? There has been lies, deceit and fraud coming from the hot fusion crew than have ever come from LENR developers. Such rude behavior has been roundly referenced throughout LENR as retarding process in LENR for nearly three decades. By the way, do you work or have worked in the nuclear energy industry?


    Axil. I don't mind your flights of fancy here, which I admire for invention though they are not always to my tatse.


    I do wish to correct the record when you label tens of thousands of hard working engineers and plasma physicists, making real advances in many technical fields (though very slow progress to possible commercial fusion), as liars and frauds without one iota of evidence. If one of the Hot Fusion 2.0 ideas pans out, using much better superconducting magnets, it will rely on all that research effort.


    It is unconscionable, and you should be ashamed.

  • I speculate that Rossi got Darden who was the only person at I.H. who was given the secret of the LENR fuel formula to sign a non disclosure agreement not to utilize in any way or reveal or share that formula with anyone in anyway and at any time.

    Not trying to offend or antagonize but this is what I call magical thinking. In the real world, there is no legal agreement /lawsuit / physical threat/treaty or war that will stop someone from utilizing, revealing or sharing such formula if it was real and disclosed. Working LENR mean post scarcity its potentially the most valuable asset that have ever existed it can make everything possible. Therefore automatically shield anyone from any threat from the inventor.

    And btw I have hard time imagining any business man (unless he is an idiot) signing such agreement unless they plan to violate it .certainly not curiosity I rather no know the formula than signing something like this.

  • it is unconscionable, an you should be ashamed.

    THH,

    As you know, the Rossi acolytes can mount no defense but to try and deflect the real issues away from Rossi. Call people babblers or state "look at hot fusion!".

    This is simply desperate deflection since they cannot support Rossi with any of his own merit. So they try to make him look "less bad" by trying to paint disparaging pictures of others.


    Axil,

    What has hot fusion to do with our discussions of Rossi? Absolutely nothing. You see no one here touting "Hot Fusion" is the savior of the world, producing clean drinking water and that it will soon be commercialized. No one here is pushing Hot Fusion. You and AA place Rossi on a pedestal, one that is built on fraud and deceit. You have not been able to present ANY factual data about the reality of the Skat Cat, robotic factories or a new customer/partner.


    What happened to your "The eCat will provide clean water and Rossi will be a world hero" prediction from long ago?


    A.A. thinks because Rossi literally posts 1)Yes 2)No 3)Yes 4) I cannot say positive or negative, that this is more compelling that IH. Really? Only on planet Rossi.

    By this then, AA must think that those serious researchers such as Cravens and Higgins are evil and fraudsters because they do not publicly announce any of their research on a fake physics blog, most of which is posted by themselves! 8o And he calls others "Babblers". AA must really be admiring his fancy "Emperor's clothes" quite dearly!

  • To my way of thinking, through the settlement in the Doral trial, I.H. is completely out of the LENR business because Rossi has locked I.H. out of any possible LENR application that is worth anything.

    you might want to read: http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-m…_manager_all_stories_list


    'Over the course of the past eighteen months, there have been developments within Industrial Heat's portfolio of technologies that have shown increasing promise.

  • Not trying to offend or antagonize but this is what I call magical thinking. In the real world, there is no legal agreement /lawsuit / physical threat/treaty or war that will stop someone from utilizing, revealing or sharing such formula if it was real and disclosed. Working LENR mean post scarcity its potentially the most valuable asset that have ever existed it can make everything possible. Therefore automatically shield anyone from any threat from the inventor.

    And btw I have hard time imagining any business man (unless he is an idiot) signing such agreement unless they plan to violate it .certainly not curiosity I rather no know the formula than signing something like this.

    Let us start at the beginning, what method can Rossi use to legally remove his IP from IH use when all that IP is inside Darden's brain.

  • Axil. I don't mind your flights of fancy here, which I admire for invention though they are not always to my tatse.


    I do wish to correct the record when you label tens of thousands of hard working engineers and plasma physicists, making real advances in many technical fields (though very slow progress to possible commercial fusion), as liars and frauds without one iota of evidence. If one of the Hot Fusion 2.0 ideas pans out, using much better superconducting magnets, it will rely on all that research effort.


    It is unconscionable, and you should be ashamed.

    Do I need to reiterate the thousands of references that illustrate how the hot fusion people undercut Fleischmann/Pons to protect their funding? The slander was so intense that they drove these guys out of the US. I am not ashamed, I am incensed. They even drove Julian Schwinger out of physics.


    https://www.infinite-energy.co…ine/issue1/colfusthe.html

  • For the record, the R'ster abandoned most of the IP that he disclosed to IH. Why? I say because it didn't work - a point that he has proven by his actions on top of his abandonment.

    Most of Rossi's reactor IP was useless, but not the fuel production method. Without that fuel, LENR just does not happen. Why doesn't Darden release that method to open source? What is stopping him.

  • Axil - may I remind you than an empty tube runs just as well with a high COP as one full of the R'sters "fuel" in one of his contraptions.

    Its been checkmate for quite some time now. Too much truth is out. Any ongoing speculation is useless with the exception of a good movie script fodder.

  • Axil - may I remind you than an empty tube runs just as well with a high COP as one full of the R'sters "fuel" in one of his contraptions.

    Its been checkmate for quite some time now. Too much truth is out. Any ongoing speculation is useless with the exception of a good movie script fodder.

    Rossi has checkmated IH.

  • Why doesn't Darden release that method to open source? What is stopping him.

    Again taking a cue from the real world people don't take risks for thinks that are not worth it. He doesn't for the same reason why a lot of people prefer to settle obvious false accusations than fighting them . its just not worth it any way I am not familiar with the issue and I don't really want to waste my time being dragged into the Rossi debate.

    Ps : Rossi doesn't need to have something for Homlid to be right about UDH aka spheromak stimulated by "Kerr effect" (which I am familiar with btw for having used it on photonic/Neuromorphic circuits for fast switching )

  • “The event had a scientific purpose...” :/

    Really?

    Wasn’t anymore just a demo?

  • Again taking a cue from the real world people don't take risks for thinks that are not worth it. He doesn't for the same reason why a lot of people prefer to settle obvious false accusations than fighting them . its just not worth it any way I am not familiar with the issue and I don't really want to waste my time being dragged into the Rossi debate.

    Ps : Rossi doesn't need to have something for Homlid to be right about UDH aka spheromak stimulated by "Kerr effect" (which I am familiar with btw for having used it on photonic/Neuromorphic circuits for fast switching )

    To my way of thinking, the various fuel preparation methods that have lead to sucessful LENR reactor results produce Ultra dense material such as protium. deuterium, lithium, and water.


    IH can get around the Rossi ban on fuel prep by using the LION method which is open source. IH could also even use the Holmlid method if it is not patented. But IH is a moron operation.

  • I do wish to correct the record when you label tens of thousands of hard working engineers and plasma physicists, making real advances in many technical fields (though very slow progress to possible commercial fusion), as liars and frauds without one iota of evidence. If one of the Hot Fusion 2.0 ideas pans out, using much better superconducting magnets, it will rely on all that research effort.

    Do tell what wonderful things IH has done withe $49 million, that is so much better than Rossi.


    Rossi demonstrated the QX last November and has since developed the oSK in 10 kW and 100 kW versions. With his partner has actually run an SK turbine.


    You claim there is no evidence the QS worked and that all the power came from the power pack. The be power pack is now smaller and capable of running a hundred 10 kW SK reactors we are told. It must be a very interesting design if it can output 1 MW.

  • Do tell what wonderful things IH has done withe $49 million, that is so much better than Rossi.


    Rossi demonstrated the QX last November and has since developed the oSK in 10 kW and 100 kW versions. With his partner has actually run an SK turbine.


    You claim there is no evidence the QS worked and that all the power came from the power pack. The be power pack is now smaller and capable of running a hundred 10 kW SK reactors we are told. It must be a very interesting design if it can output 1 MW.

    We keep a sharp ear to the ground about what is going on in the LENR world, We haven't pick up much about anything that IH is currently doing. Why would any investment money be awarded to I.H.? To the best of my knowledge, I.H. has not publicized any LENR breakthrough, products, demos, and so on that warrant increased excitement Vis-à-vis LENR.


    Or is the investment money coming in because the info about what the Rossi's partner is currently doing. That partner may be big enough and/or financially independent enough to kept the Rossi IP all to themselves. I.H. may be using the fading afterglow of their relationship with Rossi as a lure to attract new LENR investment.


    I wish I.H. the best of luck if they are going to apply their newfound LENR investment inflow to support LENR research. If the money is diverted to other business activities like huge bonuses to the top management either directly or through stock buy backs, then I.H. is ill serving the LENR community. Time will tell.

  • For the record, the R'ster abandoned most of the IP that he disclosed to IH. Why? I say because it didn't work - a point that he has proven by his actions on top of his abandonment.


    Dewey,


    True, Rossi did abandon his one "Rossi Effect", or LENR IP. That leaves the one true patent he has left, the "Fluid Heater". It was patented only as a fluid heater, although Rossi listed his energy catalyzer (Ecat) as one of the many fuels it could run on. There was a reason he slipped it in there, as you can see from his website: https://ecat.com/ where he claims this:


    "The patent covers the ECAT as a Fluid Heater based on the Rossi Effect in all its details. Since the Rossi Effect is the main source of energy of the ECAT, this means that the ECAT Core Technology is protected by this patent. The Rossi Effect is based on the exothermal reaction between Lithium and Hydrogen which is catalyzed by Nickel or any other Group 10 elements in the Periodic Table, including Palladium and Platinum. The Rossi Effect is a new type of high energy density LENR based exothermal process discovered by Andrea Rossi."


    So basically he is trying to piggy back his Ecat, onto his legitimate Fluid Heater patent, and claim both are protected IP. I am no expert, but I would guess it has little chance of holding up against a challenge, and he probably knows that. But he has it there for a purpose, and that is probably to extort the first company to market an LENR product.


    Something for your team to be aware of.

  • Do tell what wonderful things IH has done withe $49 million, that is so much better than Rossi. - A


    Rossi demonstrated the QX last November and has since developed the oSK in 10 kW and 100 kW versions. With his partner has actually run an SK turbine. -B


    You claim there is no evidence the QS worked and that all the power came from the power pack. The be power pack is now smaller and capable of running a hundred 10 kW SK reactors we are told. It must be a very interesting design if it can output 1 MW. -C

    Direct responses to your points AA.... will you answer with actual facts and DATA or will you resort to your usual defense... calling people names and avoiding the issue?


    A- What has IH done? Documented and verified, IH is working with REAL scientists such as Cravens and Higgins. They have made enough progress that Woodford is STILL working with them! Yes, Woodford invested 50 million and is STILL working with them. Not only that but happily encouraged by their progress. Note AA, this is multiple, legitimate scientist working with established business entities. They are known.

    NOW AA, can you tell me who Rossi's team is? Who is his customer partner? How come EVERY company/corporation (Seimens, Nat. Instruments, etc) he has worked with has quickly broken ties with him? Please tell me factual details about his partner.

    AA and Rossi lose on this point.


    B- November demo? Again, please ask Alan Smith about this demo. Please ask him if there is ANY valid or redeeming value to it at all! Of course you will not ask this here. We know that the demo was a complete bust but you still parade it as some type of accomplishment. Simply ask Alan for recap of what exactly the demo actually demonstrated.

    AA and Rossi lose on this point.


    C- The power pack is now smaller and capable... Really? Please provide any facts or data on this. The pack can run one hundred 10kw SK reactors? ! Really? Please provide ANY data, charts, diagrams, quotes from people who have saw it, anything that can substantiate this at all. Should not be a problem because you are so boldly and confidently claiming Rossi has done so much better than IH. As a matter of fact, I directly challenge you to provide ANY information about the SKat Cat at all.... ANY that is backed up by ANY type of actual data. NO? only Rossi says? :/


    How about this AA.... I say that IH has created a 200MW LENR reactor that runs in self-sustained mode. It has already been tested powering jet planes across the sky, leaving no contrails. It is providing fresh drinking water to a group of children in Africa as a test project. IH has secretly tested this with their accomplished R&D team and teamed up with ABB. They are ready to commercialize within the year. IH has passed Rossi so far in the dust it is silly!

    Now, I will wait and see how well IH does! They are the undisputed leader in LENR!

    AA... Prove me wrong on ANY of the above!


    So IH has done much, much more than Rossi has or ever will do! =O


    AA and Rossi lose on every point! If not, please defend the above with established facts. Otherwise, the emperor's clothes fit you so nicely Mr. Babble.

  • I thought that Higgins worked open source and always collaborated with MFMP. Has Higgins gone black?


    Axil,


    He works with IH, and I believe he has received funding from them. I do not know if it is an official arrangement, as in a signed contract, or some type of loose affiliation.

  • Axil,


    He works with IH, and I believe he has received funding from them. I do not know if it is an official arrangement, as in a signed contract, or some type of loose affiliation.

    The applicable binding documentation would likely be a non disclosure agreement; don't you think?


  • My personal intuition is that regardless what he said publicly or privately, as soon as he shared the know-how with IH he had discarded the IP in his mind. Andrea Rossi is NOT someone to share information with others, assist replicators, or support efforts to prove the reality of LENR to the world. His primary goal is strive to build an LENR monopoly with the Rossi Effect, and all other considerations are secondary or non-existent. When it comes to his original know how using palladium deposited on nickel with an atomic hydrogen source, he must be aware of Muzuno's experiments and that the information has been "out" for some time. I think he's hoping that he can claim prior art with the patent applications he submitted (a long list of them was published on this forum) if anyone comes up with something similar enough to the Quark, and that Fluid Heater will provide him with enough protection for the Quark technology -- since it likely uses nickel electrodes, hydrogen gas, and lithium. But in reality, I believe that the minimal patent protection he may or may not have isn't as important to him as being first to market with a technology that cannot be easily surpassed. If the Quark SK operates like I think -- and of course I could be completely wrong here -- the setup could be close to ideal for the continual induction of nuclear reactions. In fact, just like Randell Mills claims that the arc discharge is the rate enhancement factor in the Suncell, I think the Quark probably maximizes your output to the greatest extent of any possible configuration that isn't designed to immediately meltdown and turn into slag or vaporize. We'll have to wait and see to find out if he provides ANY proof to back up the claims he has made about the Quark. If his third party partner doesn't turn out to be a valid independent (no association with him or his close allies) company and doesn't provide a detailed report of a test of the Quark, I think anything he may show off in January will be a let down. Even if he produces a spinning turbine generator producing megawatts of electricity, we need a Johnson Matthey, ABB, Siemens, Honda, Volvo, or other company to verify the reactors work as Rossi has claimed.

  • To my way of thinking, the various fuel preparation methods that have lead to sucessful LENR reactor results produce Ultra dense material such as protium. deuterium, lithium, and water.


    IH can get around the Rossi ban on fuel prep by using the LION method which is open source. IH could also even use the Holmlid method if it is not patented. But IH is a moron operation.


    Regardless of your opinion of IH, I personally don't think antagonizing IH representatives by making statements like, "IH is a moron operation" is the kind of discourse that will produce any net benefit to this forum or our understanding of LENR. I'm not suggesting that you don't share your opinions in a manner that you think is convincing and thought provoking. However, I think we should all practice civility in our communications.

  • Regardless of your opinion of IH, I personally don't think antagonizing IH representatives by making statements like, "IH is a moron operation" is the kind of discourse that will produce any net benefit to this forum or our understanding of LENR. I'm not suggesting that you don't share your opinions in a manner that you think is convincing and thought provoking. However, I think we should all practice civility in our communications.

    Yes, sometime I have suspected that "IH representatives" were posting here, but with the exception of Dewey Weaver the posters on this thread to the best of my knowledge have not acknowledged any connection, either business or personal with IH.


    The posters on this tread fell free to express their unvarnished opinions about Rossi's flaws (that I basically agree with) so that frank criticism of the main players in LENR development is not out of bounds.


    I am just hoping that someone moron, fraud, or whatever produce a commercial product to get the LENR development train moving.

  • I say that IH has created a 200MW LENR reactor that runs in self-sustained mode. It has already been tested powering jet planes across the sky, leaving no contrails. It is providing fresh drinking water to a group of children in Africa as a test project. IH has secretly tested this with their accomplished R&D team and teamed up with ABB. They are ready to commercialize within the year. IH has passed Rossi so far in the dust it is silly!

    Now, I will wait and see how well IH does! They are the undisputed leader in LENR!


    This will be a great thread on ECW!:)


    Can you create a blog, and I will ask you questions?


    Hello Bob. Since you are the secret I.H. insider, congratulations on your convincing I.H. demo. I have some questions.

    1. Is your partner an expert in jet plane manufacture, or just their turbines?

    2. As a major food producer, does your partner supply the food for the jet planes, and is it included in the ticket price?

    3. Do these planes fly at the very highest echelons?

    3. Were these jet planes built in your condo, like Rossi's e-cats?

    4. Are anti-gravity effects used to keep the planes aloft, or is it purely their reactionless drive and infinite COP ?

    Godspeed on your efforts to save the world through clean water and hallucinogens.

    Warm Regards, PFD