It was mentioned that it was a big job since the huge nickel particle was located on the inside wall in the center of the dog bone
Link please.
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Rossi has never had or needed a real client. Think he will start now? If so, why so?
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Link please.
At the time of sampling after one month of
operation, Nickel was found to be encrusted
on the internal surface of the reactor, from
which a 2 mg sample of “ash” was obtained
near to the center of the charge
On the Nuclear Mechanisms Underlying the Heat Production
by the E-Cat
Norman D. Cook1 and Andrea Rossi2
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AA,
You cannot possibly be that thick.
No one is trying to keep Rossi from showing anything, ever.
They are simply trying to establish how ludicrous Rossi’s show and tell has become.
He has no factory, no global food partner, no robotic partner, no investors, he has nothing, he never did.
He is a fraud and a scam artist.
It is simply inconceivable to me that you cannot see this.
Roseland67, I must vigorously disagree with you -- never underestimate AA's thickness.
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You might get run over by a car, (>30,000 killed per year.) so I suppose you advocate no one should ever leave their house.
AA and Director: Damned straight skippy, bring back the Corvair, bring back electrical sockets with no GCI, bring back untested medications, get rid of all those pesky agencies, you know, UL, FDA and other regulators, get rid of the FDIC, arsenic, lead and mercury in your drinking water is just A-OK with me -- AA and Director are right, just unleash the pure inventiveness and creativity of people like Rossi and hey, if another Three Mile Island, Chernobyl or Fukushima results, then, as my Torts professor used to say "too bad, so sad." Fortunately, IMHO any of that is highly unlikely with Rossi because he is a total fraud and con man.
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Doesn't sound like a "big job".
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Doesn't sound like a "big job".
If 1 gram when in and only 2 mg came out, the removal must have been difficult...don't you think.
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I'm not, but you demonstrate with every post you don't know what you are talking about. Wait until you see the SK demonstrated before making up more rubbish.
AA,
What do you think this “SK” demo is going
to show?
Rossi has no idea how to properly measure energy in and out, he has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
This “demo” will another Rube Goldberg kludge of various plumbing and electrical parts without proper measurement,
followed by a group of blithering idiots clapping their hands, nodding their heads and singing the praises of another successful demo that showed nothing.
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If 1 gram when in and only 2 mg came out, the removal must have been difficult...don't you think.
10 mg came out. See page 28 of the Lugano report.
Still doesn't make it a big job.
Also, page 8, Lugano report:
"After cooling, the E-Cat was again opened by breaking one of the caps, and the powder was collected and put in a test tube."
Not....After cooling, the E-Cat was again opened by breaking one of the caps, and the powder was scraped with great difficulty from the interior and put in a test tube....
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HAve you gone completely bonkers? Tell the babblers they are wrong in saying he will just use electric pwer to probide the heat.
THe judgement of whether the heat is supplied will not come from Rossi or a referee but from the client using it.
AA,
This is why no one takes you seriously,
Mindlessly foolish things like this, mercy.
Rossi gets another sock puppet to say he is using the SK to provide heat and it is saving him money.
There, that’s what he is going to do, now,
how does this prove Energy Out>Energy In
How.
I guarantee you do not respond to this post
because you can’t.
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10 mg came out. See page 28 of the Lugano report.
Still doesn't make it a big job.
Also, page 8, Lugano report:
"After cooling, the E-Cat was again opened by breaking one of the caps, and the powder was collected and put in a test tube."
Not....After cooling, the E-Cat was again opened by breaking one of the caps, and the powder was scraped with great difficulty from the interior and put in a test tube....
Whatever...
Cook states 2 mg was removed
At the temperature of operation of the ECat
used in the Lugano test, the Lithium
contained in the LiAlH4 is vaporized, and
consequently was distributed evenly within
the volume of the E-Cat. In contrast, the
Nickel fuel remained in a solid or liquid state.
At the time of sampling after one month of
operation, Nickel was found to be encrusted
on the internal surface of the reactor, from
which a 2 mg sample of “ash” was obtained
near to the center of the charge. Starting with
an initial charge of approximately 1 gram, it
cannot be said that the 2 mg sample was
necessarily representative of the entire Nickel
charge, but it remains to be explained how the
isotopic ratios in the 2 mg sample show
predominantly 62
28Ni34.
https://e-catworld.com/2015/04…-e-cat-recipe-hank-mills/
Due to the temperature differential between the inside of the reactor and the surface, this means the lithium in the reactor was most certainly boiling at around 1400C or higher. Replicators need to target this temperature in their attempts.
The aluminum also vaporized as witnessed by the aluminum particles seen in the ash... proof of at least 2500C.
On page 44 of the Lugano report, a iron particles was also characterized. That means that the temperature in the reaction zone reached 2900C
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THe judgement of whether the heat is supplied will not come from Rossi or a referee but from the client using it.
"The client" is himself. He pretends to have a client. He makes up fake invoices, and fake messages from the client. He has an empty room with a small radiator in it, which he claims is a giant factory. THERE IS NO CLIENT. It is a sham to fool investors and people like you.
That was how it worked at Doral, and that is how he will do it the next time, unless law enforcement authorities stop him.
He himself admitted it was all a sham! He admitted there was no client. But you are so beguiled by him, and so anxious to believe his lies -- blinded by wishful thinking -- you refuse to look at his confessions in the lawsuit depositions.
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Rossi has no idea how to properly measure energy in and out, he has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Actually, I think he does know how to properly measure this. I have had e-mail exchanges with him and I have spoken with people who worked with him. He could do this right if he wanted to. His fake demos are deliberately wrong, not mistakes.
Also, at times he plays stupid. He pretends to know less than he actually knows.
At Doral, he was phoning it in. That was such a crude fake, it did not fool anyone. You can see from the report it was nonsense. However, some of his earlier demos were pretty convincing. They fooled me. From a distance, anyway. I like to think . . . okay, I hope that if I had been there, and if he had let me measure the temperatures and flow rates, I would seen the problem. He never let anyone else measure anything, presumably to prevent that. The moment I told him I would bring my own instruments, he cut me off an never once invited me to anything. I would not go to any demo of this sort without my own instruments, even at Mizuno's lab.
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axil ,
The Lugano reactor didn't get hotter than 820 C, outside. That means it didn't get hotter than about 1030 C on the inside.
You need to realize how hot the heater wire would be if the outside was 1400 C. It would melt. The Lugano experiment could never have run for 20 days at ~1400 C.
It doesn't matter if the wire was electrically heated to get the 1400 C outside, or if there was a nuclear reaction deep inside.
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You might get run over by a car, (>30,000 killed per year.)
Indeed. That is the lowest it has been since 1949. In 1979, 50,000 people were killed, even though the population was lower and people drove less. Per capita and per mile, the fatality rate has fallen by 36% in recent years.
And why is that? Because of seat belts, air bags, crash zones, crash testing, and other improvements. All of which industry fought tooth and nail to prevent, but the government and the regulators insisted on.
In the next few decades, the fatality rate will fall close to zero, as self driving cars replace human driven ones. Auto fatalities will eventually be so rare, they will be front-page news, like airplane crashes are today. To their credit, the auto industry is not opposed to this innovation. They are leading it. Maybe they learned their lesson from the past 50 years of improvements in safety. Perhaps they now realize that killing and maiming your customers in ways you can easily avoid is not good for business. If the government had not forced that lesson on them, they would not have learned it, and by now fatalities would be closer to 100,000 a year.
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Actually, I think he does know how to properly measure this. I have had e-mail exchanges with him and I have spoken with people who worked with him. He could do this right if he wanted to. His fake demos are deliberately wrong, not mistakes.
Also, at times he plays stupid. He pretends to know less than he actually knows.
At Doral, he was phoning it in. That was such a crude fake, it did not fool anyone. You can see from the report it was nonsense. However, some of his earlier demos were pretty convincing. They fooled me. From a distance, anyway. I like to think . . . okay, I hope that if I had been there, and if he had let me measure the temperatures and flow rates, I would seen the problem. He never let anyone else measure anything, presumably to prevent that. The moment I told him I would bring my own instruments, he cut me off an never once invited me to anything. I would not go to any demo of this sort without my own instruments, even at Mizuno's lab.
Well, I was intrigued at first and hopeful, but upon further review and deeper investigation it became obvious to me that Rossi is a fraud and a conman.
If he truly knows how to measure properly and he chooses not to, why in God’s name would any reasonably sane person believe anything this boob does?
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If he truly knows how to measure properly and he chooses not to, why in God’s name would any reasonably sane person believe anything this boob does?
Read this report, and you will see:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGindication.pdf
Do you find anything wrong with it? I don't. I suppose there must be something wrong somewhere, or perhaps Levi et al. were in cahoots with him. But if this is fake, it is a darn good fake.
I said that he never let others make measurements. This was an exception. Levi et al. said they made all of the measurements with their own instruments, and they had a time lapse video of the reactor the entire time, so they are sure no one monkeyed with it.
Doral was a whole different story. As I said, he was phoning it in. He wasn't even trying to make it convincing. Early in the test, I heard from people at I.H. that it was not working. I did not know the details until much later, but you can read them now in the Penon report. It is very different from the above report by Levi.
The second report from Levi was a disaster.
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axil ,
The Lugano reactor didn't get hotter than 820 C, outside. That means it didn't get hotter than about 1030 C on the inside.
You need to realize how hot the heater wire would be if the outside was 1400 C. It would melt. The Lugano experiment could never have run for 20 days at ~1400 C.
It doesn't matter if the wire was electrically heated to get the 1400 C outside, or if there was a nuclear reaction deep inside.
Regarding: "The Lugano reactor didn't get hotter than 820 C, outside. That means it didn't get hotter than about 1030 C on the inside."
This is not necessarily true. A very small zone of extreme heat production can distributed heat over a large surface area. For example, a car spark ignition produces a small by intense gasoline explosion with a temperature of 3000C that is distributed over a large volume of the engine block.
How can less than a gram of fuel produce 1.5 MWh during the 32 days run without vaporizing? you are good at numbers. Figure it out.
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"The client" is himself. He pretends to have a client. He makes up fake invoices, and fake messages from the client. He has an empty room with a small radiator in it, which he claims is a giant factory. THERE IS NO CLIENT. It is a sham to fool investors and people like you.
That was how it worked at Doral, and that is how he will do it the next time, unless law enforcement authorities stop him.
He himself admitted it was all a sham! He admitted there was no client. But you are so beguiled by him, and so anxious to believe his lies -- blinded by wishful thinking -- you refuse to look at his confessions in the lawsuit depositions.
Just to once again make this point, because reading entire Rossi depositions is just... painful.
Document 207-36
Page 22
13 Q. Not many. So on a day-to-day basis you
14 are at the Doral warehouse, correct?
15 A. Every day.
16 Q. All right. And any operations that are
17 occurring at the Doral warehouse on behalf of J.M.
18 Products, you are controlling?
19 A. Absolutely.
20 Q. And that has been so since J.M. Products
21 was formed, correct?
22 A. It is correct.
23 Q. All right. So you, Andrea Rossi, control
24 all of the day-to-day activity of J.M. Products,
25 correct?
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1 A. Correct.
2 Q. You, Andrea Rossi, control Leonardo
3 Corporation, correct?
4 A. Correct.
5 Q. Leonardo Corporation pays all the
6 expenses of J.M. Products, correct?
7 A. No.
8 MR. CHAIKEN: Object to form.
9 BY MR. PACE:
10 Q. What expenses does J.M. Products incur
11 that Leonardo does not pay?
12 A. You are forgetting that I told you at the
13 beginning of this deposition that Leonardo paid the
14 expenses of J.M. as a compensation of the products --
15 Q. But they are still paying it. My
16 question was Leonardo pays for whatever reason -- you
17 can explain later the reason.
18 MR. ARAN: Objection. Let's not talk
19 over each other.
20 BY MR. PACE:
21 Q. Fair enough, I am just asking a
22 question. You can explain later why they paid it.
23 A. Okay.
24 Q. You can explain in the trial. You can
25 explain it at some other context.
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1 A. Okay.
2 Q. My question was -- let's see if you can
3 answer my question though. Because I thought we went
4 through this already.
5 You, as the corporate representative of
6 J.M. Products, are here to say -- to testify that the
7 only expenses of which you are aware of J.M. Products
8 were paid by Leonardo Corporation, correct?
9 A. If we limit our description of the facts
10 to the action of paying the bills, yes.
11 Q. Yes, sir. I am --
12 A. If we confine, yes.
13 Q. We will get into the explanation of why
14 they paid but I am just trying to establish that you,
15 Andrea Rossi, ran the day-to-day operations of J.M.
16 Products, correct?
17 A. Yes, it is correct.
18 Q. You, Andrea Rossi, controlled Leonardo
19 Corporation, correct?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. Leonardo Corporation paid for all the
22 day-to-day expenses of which you are aware for J.M.
23 Products, correct?
24 A. Correct.
25 Q. So there is -- the building -- the Doral
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1 warehouse where J.M. Products is located, that was
2 found by you, correct?
3 A. Correct.
4 Q. It was leased by Leonardo, correct?
5 A. Correct.
6 Q. J.M. Products subleased whatever
7 section -- whatever portion they used from Leonardo,
8 correct?
9 A. Correct.
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24 Q. Andrea Rossi controls J.M. Products,
25 correct?
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1 MR. ARAN: Objection to form.
2 MR. CHAIKEN: Object to form.
3 THE WITNESS: No.
4 BY MR. PACE:
5 Q. Why is it that Andrea Rossi does not
6 control J.M. Products?
7 A. Because to control J.M. Products mean to
8 have full control of J.M. Products. As you -- as you
9 have heard from the beginning, I was not in the board
10 of directors. I was not the president. I was not
11 the CEO.
12 I was the director of all the scientific
13 research and development activity and experimental
14 activity of J.M., so I was the director and I am
15 responsible about all the day by day operations,
16 working operations that take -- that have taken act
17 inside the factory of J.M., not of all the actions or
18 deeds that are related to the -- to the activity that
19 is proper of a president or of a board of directors.
20 Q. What other activities does J.M. Products
21 engage in, other than activities that you have
22 controlled?
23 A. I don't know
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Page 321 Q. So to the best of your knowledge there
2 are no activities by J.M. Products outside the
3 factory?
4 MR. ARAN: Objection to form,
5 mischaracterization.
6 THE WITNESS: I am not able to answer
7 about things that I am not aware of.
8 BY MR. PACE:
9 Q. Fair enough, but I think I asked to the
10 best of your knowledge. Let me ask the question
11 again.
12 A. The best of my knowledge is I don't
13 know.
14 Q. To the best of your knowledge you are not
15 aware of any activities of J.M. Products other than
16 what occurs at the Doral warehouse?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. All right.
19 A. Sorry but, you know, it's the English to
20 the best of your knowledge that had put me in
21 difficulty because I don't know the semantic limit of
22 that proposition. This is why I was --
23 Q. Understood. I understand. Some of these
24 things I am trying to find out, you can only answer
25 to the knowledge that you either have prior to
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1 preparing for the deposition or in connection with
2 preparing for the deposition.
3 But as a corporate representative of J.M.
4 Products if the question, in fact, falls within the
5 scope of the topics for which you are a corporate
6 representative, and that can be a debate between
7 counsel but if it does your answer, you know, is
8 controlling for the corporation.
9 If it doesn't, then it's just your
10 personal -- you know, what Andrea Rossi knows
11 personally.
12 A. Yeah.
13 Q. You would agree with me that as it
14 relates to Leonardo Corporation the only activities
15 of J.M. Products that are of significance to Leonardo
16 Corporation are the activities at the Doral
17 warehouse, correct?
18 MR. CHAIKEN: Object to form.
19 THE WITNESS: Can you kindly repeat?
20 BY MR. PACE:
21 Q. It's a long question. I will try again.
22 The only activities of J.M. Products that are
23 relevant to Leonardo Corporation are those activities
24 at the Doral warehouse, correct?
25 A. Yes, it is correct.
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1 Q. And those activities you, Andrea Rossi,
2 had complete control over?
3 A. Yes.
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Regarding: "The Lugano reactor didn't get hotter than 820 C, outside. That means it didn't get hotter than about 1030 C on the inside."
This is not necessarily true. A very small zone of extreme heat production can distributed heat over a large surface area. For example, a car spark ignition produces a small by intense gasoline explosion with a temperature of 3000C that is distributed over a large volume of the engine block.
On average. The way the Lugano results were reported. Two day increments distilled into a single line of data.
What, may I ask, is the average engine block temperature in your example?
How can less than a gram of fuel produce 1.5 MWh during the 32 days run without vaporizing? you are good at numbers. Figure it out.
Easy. The output calculations are wrong. Demonstrably wrong.
Additionally, the same answer as the answer I gave to the question above. Around 0.4 MWh were applied electrically to 1 gram of "fuel" and it survived...even if they did have to dig around poke it out with a stick.
