Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

  • Shane,


    Not that I want anyone to get hurt financially

    But who in god’s name would invest $.01 in “Rossi anything”?


    Even Adrian won’t bet 1:10 on his guy,

    A fool and his money.


  • Rose,


    He has been at this so long, he must have found some people willing to part with their money. If not, why would he still be around selling 1MW plants, under one umbrella or another?

  • Adrian, for a guy who rants and raves about other people's courage of conviction and how much they babble, you never EVER answer a direct question posed to you. Talk about cowardice!


    Once again: what would you consider to be proof that the e-cat doesn't work?


    I don't expect an answer, because that's not how you roll.

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    Thanks, but it doesn't look like even SOT has the courage of his conviction

    Conviction (and sentencing) is what Rossi should have.


    Be that as it may, I will take your bet provided the organization making the conclusion that the ecat works is a major test lab of the level of CERN, ORNL, Sandia (they like to test wild claims and do it all the time) or similar to be agreed on ahead of time. In the alternative, I would consider you to have won the bet if the organization is a Fortune 500 company or comparable in size and income, and they say the ecat work, and they say again that it works after an additional year had gone by. Private companies are error prone more than national test labs. ShaneD can hold the money. Courage of convictions, hey, Adrian?


    It goes without saying that in order for you to win, the organization in question has to agree the ecat works. In order for me to win, they don't have to say specifically that it doesn't. A result of undeterminable or "needing more work" means I win because people say that all the time when they don't know their anus from an IED crater.

  • Conviction (and sentencing) is what Rossi should have.


    Be that as it may, I will take your bet provided the organization making the conclusion that the ecat works is a major test lab of the level of CERN, ORNL, Sandia (they like to test wild claims and do it all the time) or similar to be agreed on ahead of time. In the alternative, I would consider you to have won the bet if the organization is a Fortune 500 company or comparable in size and income, and they say the ecat work, and they say again that it works after an additional year had gone by. Private companies are error prone more than national test labs. ShaneD can hold the money. Courage of convictions, hey, Adrian?


    It goes without saying that in order for you to win, the organization in question has to agree the ecat works. In order for me to win, they don't have to say specifically that it doesn't. A result of undeterminable or "needing more work" means I win because people say that all the time when they don't know their anus from an IED crater.

    sot,


    Bad bet amigo,

    Adrian wins this because all you require is that the Ecat works.

    The only bet to make is that the Ecat makes

    Energy Out > Energy In, (after all, this is what Rossi has been saying for 8 years).

    Adrian knows this, he’s no dummy, that’s why he refuses the bet.

    He knows the Ecat is a scam, that’s why he insists on these inane conditions that no one can win but him.

  • And you thought I was gullible, but now you trust moi, with you, and Adrian's money! Make sure it is a big bet, because the wife wants a new car.


    Seriously, I do not think any of the LF staffers can be an active party to this. It would expose David to some law, or another.

    Shane,

    Make the bet payable in “quatloos” or yang or some other nondescript non valued currency on the site, but payable in Euro or Dollars behind the scene, do it all the time in Chicago.

  • Thanks, but it doesn't look like even SOT has the courage of his conviction

    You deserve a medal for wading through all this trash.


    Adrian,


    it requires no courage, but some degree of intellectual dishonesty, to spend time on a thread extolling the possible virtues, and ignoring the deceits, of an eccentric inventor/ scammer where, when asked pointed questions, you reiterate that you can't draw any conclusions but are not prepared to look at historic negative evidence.

  • it requires no courage, but some degree of intellectual dishonesty, to spend time on a thread extolling the possible virtues, and ignoring the deceits, of an eccentric inventor/ scammer where, when asked pointed questions, you reiterate that you can't draw any conclusions but are not prepared to look at historic negative evidence.

    So you are not sufficiently certain the SK doesn't work to bet on it either . But you did manage to get in your obligatory insult to Rossi.

  • I would think even the most ardent Rossi supporters can admit this is a pathetic introduction to market, for what is being hyped as the beginning of a new energy revolution? This coming demo is to attract customers, yet it will *only* be shown on Ecat.com. FYI, Ecat.com is not even his website. It is hosted by Hydrofusion, which after 7 years, we know almost nothing about. How much market penetration, and exposure will that attract?


    The demo will not prove the SK works, as even he admits. He will sell heat at 20% discount, remote controlling the SK's from Miami. Really, how many customers will that attract? And he claims he will start manufacturing as demand picks up. What demand?


    This seems very amateurish at best, and untrustworthy at worst, when you really think about it. Amazing we are even considering it may be sincere.

  • So you are not sufficiently certain the SK doesn't work to bet on it either . But you did manage to get in your obligatory insult to Rossi.

    I do not understand your equating people's desire to gamble on their belief in something. It could be that they neither trust Rossi or you. You continue to twist things and ignore data.

    Would you be willing to "bet" on stop posting if you are wrong and Rossi does not show an independent third party verified measure of input and output power that shows COP >10 by Jan 31st and that his major customer is in the S and P 500 and is willing to announce they are satisfied and have purchased a device or multiyear license for the power? And by independent third party, I mean the tests are made who have not worked with Rossi before in any capacity and without Rossi in contact with the device including any control units.

  • I would think even the most ardent Rossi supporters can admit this is a pathetic introduction to market, for what is being hyped as the beginning of a new energy revolution?

    It looks entirely logical to me. Rossi needs to have the SK tested in the field before selling too many.

    I f it works, Rossi will have no trouble getting sufficient business, will keep his IP secret for a while longer and not have to deal with hods of reporters and spies before he is ready for mass sales.

  • AA: I propose a counter bet to you. You claim that it would be foolish to bet against you with all "the available evidence." As you are so confident, let's adjust the odds so that instead of 1:10 in your favor, the odds are 1:10 in my favor, e.g., I bet 100 dollars and, when I win, you pay me $1,000.


    Secondly, again as you are so confident, if Rossi doesn't prove (to be discussed below) a working widget meeting the performance parameters he has described, you lose. Very simple.


    As to proof, if Alan says Rossi proved it you win. If Alan doesn't say Rossi proved it, you lose. Alan doesn't have to say that it failed, he merely has to not say it was proven or to remain silent.


    Amount: any amount up to US$10,000 on my side. I will happily deposit my bet with Alan or Shane.

  • Rossi needs to have the SK tested in the field before selling too many.


    Adrian,


    I have never heard of a product being field tested with customers, to work out the kinks. You have more experience in this of course, so maybe I am wrong? It seems to me -if you are right about the field testing, that Rossi would be using customers as human guinea pigs? Then there is the radiation sickness issue.


    Sorry, I keep trying to make this thing add up, but it just does not...yet. Maybe I will keep adding until it does. :)

  • Adrian,


    I have never heard of a product being field tested with customers, to work out the kinks. You have more experience in this of course, so maybe I am wrong? It seems to me -if you are right about the field testing, that Rossi would be using customers as human guinea pigs? Then there is the radiation sickness issue.


    Sorry, I keep trying to make this thing add up, but it just does not...yet. Maybe I will keep adding until it does. :)

    Shane,


    This is common, I have done it multiple times, in fact, many of my modifications are actually “customer request” that were found in the field.

  • This is common, I have done it multiple times, in fact, many of my modifications are actually “customer request” that were found in the field.

    So have I. This is called "Beta Testing" in the software biz. It is fine for software.


    However, if an automobile company were to start selling their self-driving cars now, in a Beta Test mode, or if a drug company were to distribute untested, unproven drugs over the counter to anyone . . . and something went wrong, those companies would be driven into bankruptcy by lawsuits and government regulator fines. If Rossi were to install a few reactors and something went wrong, such as gamma radiation he did not expect, that would be end of him and his dreams, and probably the end of cold fusion.


    Assuming Rossi's gadget actually does what he claims (which I do not believe), it is absolutely unthinkable that one would be installed in a customer site now, without thousands of hours of exhaustive safety testing first. This is the 21st century, not 1924, when companies sold radium-laced drinks. See: "For that Healthy Glow, Drink Radiation!"


    https://www.popsci.com/scitech…lthy-glow-drink-radiation

  • Jed,


    All of my “beta testing” was hardware based.


    Actual physical machines that were electrical, mechanical, hydraulic etc.

    However, we NEVER put anything into production until we beta tested the s***t out of the product.


    Only after many many months this OJT type workout and UL’s blessing, did we start writing O&I manuals, Marketing brochures, spec sheets etc.

    Then train the service dept, field sales, inside sales etc.

  • I have never heard of a product being field tested with customers, to work out the kinks. You have more experience in this of course, so maybe I am wrong?

    Of course a manufacturer tries to get it right before selling anything, but in this case Rossi can either do a Beta test with a few curators or would you think he should wait another year to further test the SK himself? Then do field tests with a few customers?


    The babblers keep complaining about slow progress but would love to see Rossi mess up by going too fast. This isn't like making a lawn mower.

  • Quit your babbling and admit it Adrian: You're consumed with Rossi-fever. Your entirely convinced by him, and seek to spread the word, like some kind of missionary. Sent out from e-catworld...


    But... I think that deep down, you know how ridiculous the whole Rossi charade really is - so to save face, you beat about the bush, simulating some sort of rational doubt.


    All this inner turmoil can't be good for the soul. You should step, once and for all out of your closet, and free your ego from the shackles of reason. The mental contortions required till now must be almost painful.


    Come on... Set yourself free.

  • However, if an automobile company were to start selling their self-driving cars now, in a Beta Test mode, or if a drug company were to distribute untested, unproven drugs over the counter to anyone . . . and something went wrong, those companies would be driven into bankruptcy by lawsuits and government regulator fines. If Rossi were to install a few reactors and something went wrong, such as gamma radiation he did not expect, that would be end of him and his dreams, and probably the end of cold fusion.

    Your anti Rossi bias makes you write total rubbish.

    Most new cars are test driven by a few members of the public before going on sale. The Chevy Volt was so driven for a year if I recall.


    The early SK plants will be monitored 24/7. Rossi has stated he will train several members of the clients to be operators. They can operate the plant if the internet fails (how often does that happen?) and shut the plant down if there is a problem.

    The SK is so small the chances of a catastrophe are negligible.

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    Rossi needs to have the SK tested in the field before selling too many.

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    I have never heard of a product being field tested with customers, to work out the kinks. You have more experience in this of course, so maybe I am wrong? It seems to me -if you are right about the field testing, that Rossi would be using customers as human guinea pigs? Then there is the radiation sickness issue.


    Actually, Rossi's claims have already been referred to the Bureau of Radiation Control (BRC), Division of Emergency Preparedness and Community Support, Florida State Department of Health and two additional concerned regulatory bodies. BRC replied that they would "reach out to Mr. Rossi." That should be interesting considering the level of illegality in the claims on his blog, written by Rossi himself. BTW, I didn't do it-- not that I wouldn't want to, but I don't have time.


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    The SK is so small the chances of a catastrophe are negligible.

    I'm certain that Florida BRC will be totally reassured by that completely unsupported claim.


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    The babblers keep complaining about slow progress but would love to see Rossi mess up by going too fast. This isn't like making a lawn mower.

    No it's not. It's more like claiming you have a lawnmower powered by radioactive fairies.