Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax: Trying to build defense for Rossi

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Abd yes,
I found nothing in the public info I saw that would indicate that the research (testing) in Fl was mentioned as the GPT until many months into the "testing". There can be many things called a test that are not an agreed upon GPT. Having a claimed 1MW system is not a marker for the GPT. It could have been any magnitude as long as it had the correct COP levels and a minimum down time (50 days down in 400).

Actually, the GPT could have been anything that Rossi and IH agreed on; all they would need to do is write it down and sign it. If getting an Ampenergo signature was burdensome, then they could have asked for an Ampenergo release. They could have substituted a 90 day test or anything, and they still could do that, they would merely have to agree on the conditions. They could have agreed on spreading out the $89 million over a period of time, so that IH could use funds raised for commercial roll-out or the like, instead of just going to Rossi immediately. (Or Rossi could have turned around and invested some of it in IH). However, Rossi would have had to ask for an approval, he would have had to accept that he was working in a business world that is not particularly familiar to him. Best, he would have gotten advice from attorneys, not about how to sue them, but about how to benefit from the relationship, which probably looks quite different from what he did! Of course, if it was all a fraud, nothing is going to work. But this is all written from the point of view that it wasn't pure fraud, but maybe something was missing.

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It also looks like the thing in FL was not even the right device ( six cylinder item) and could not be the GPT based on that (as well as the approved starting date). It also seems to fail as the GPT since the Rossi and not the ERV made the measurements (as required by the agreement).

It is conceivable that Rossi could claim estoppel on the issue of "6-cylinder unit," and he could even claim estoppel on the written agreement, if actual approval of a "guaranteed performance test" existed without formal approval. And that is why Rossi is fishing for all IH documents containing the words "guaranteed performance."

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I sure would be interested in why Rossi, et al think that it was the approved GPT as covered in the agreement.

All we have so far is the proposed Penon protocol, which did mention a 350 day test, and where Penon referred to himself as "ERV." That proposal was mentioned in the Complaint as being an "agreement."

Some question has come up about Infusion Institute. Some Answers, perhaps.

You finally learned it: Be precise and informative.

https://drive.google.com/file/…PH4TPQVBnM3Z2bjl6ajg/view

ROFL, there are some slides, and in one rossi looks really like a stand up comedian, using a stethoscope to "hear" the ecal working. Damn, this is getting more and more ridiculous.

I cannot believe, how and why anybody event creates a thread where she/he is begging for "Defense for Rossi".

Really sad...

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I think that the source of the 2015 funds is probably Abd's affair. He can say or not, we can each draw our own conclusions. Meanwhile he is obviously trying very hard to curry favour with certain players in the field in the hope of more funding. Nothing personal, it's just business.

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drive.google.com/file/d/0B9JYyBKPH4TPQVBnM3Z2bjl6ajg/view

ROFL, there are some slides, and in one rossi looks really like a stand up comedian, using a stethoscope to "hear" the ecal working. Damn, this is getting more and more ridiculous.

I cannot believe, how and why anybody event creates a thread where she/he is begging for "Defense for Rossi".

Really sad...

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We don't need more pseudoskeptical argument. Using a stethoscope to assess, with experience, the internal state of what is, after all, a boiler, and boiling water makes noise, is not ridiculous at all. This is tne ECW discussion of this presentation: http://www.e-catworld.com/2016…entation-marc-ellenbroek/

Ellenbroek shows no awareness of the Rossi v. Darden documents, nor of the implications that a major backer of Rossi, investing as much as $20 million or so, is claiming total failure to confirm the Rossi claims. Instgead Ellenbroek is stuck in last year's possibilities. Last year, CMNS scientists were, so to speak, holding their breath. Since 2011, Rossi had been claiming "the market is the judge," and avoiding any kind of open scientific process. Because the present Rossi Reality was obscure, some supported him, though not without reservations, most stayed silent. A few, mostly non-scientists, rehearsed Rossi's past, as if that were completely clear. I'd say that anyone who actually studied that past without an obvious prejudice came up with .... not clear at all. The facts could support many alternative narratives, giving it different meanings.

Science does not reject narratives without clear falsification. It reserves judgment, maybe forever. It is in no rush to decide. Public policy is not science, it is politics and heuristics, a very different realm. Business is similar, but with a more objective standard: profit. Ampenergo invested in Rossi and made a profit, almost certainly. What does that mean? :"Meaning" is something we create. It doesn't exist in reality. But Ampenergo would pay taxes on that profit, or its investors would. It's real. IH is showing a loss. Given certain accounting standards, that is also real. The parent company of IH, IHHI, is also showing a substantial loss, part of the business plan, in fact. All the investors know, and were prepared for this. And what does that mean?

Meanwhile "scientific LENR" has turned a corner. Major funding has appeared, and not just from IH, and the funding I received last year was from *other than the Rossi/IH axis*, and it is a tiny amount compared to what we know about from others. It was not itself for LENR research, but in gratitude for my function as a writer.

Alan Smith thinks I'm trying to "curry favor" with certain players in the"hope of more funding". He has misidentified my goal. Yes, I'm working to curry favor, but not with any of those players, but with Reality, which I face, very much, with my age and present health. That effort was, in fact, what led to the larger grant, last year, it was not anything of business benefit. I could, actually, disclose where that money came from, permission was given, but ... it is essentially none of anyone's business. Suppose I had been supported by someone connected with IH? Would that change the cogency of my commentary, would it alter the implications of what I write that is sourced, with evidence?

But it wasn't from such a source, and it was from a source that the shallow thinkers would imagine was opposed to IH. (In fact, all the major funders are essentially cooperating with each other, as far as I can tell. The only one seriously pushing hostility is ... Andrea Rossi. Ah, and then there is Steve Krivit. You want to look for "paid FUD," look there.)

The first support I received, I did request of CMNS scientists, to assist me to attend ICCF-18, came from small cash donations from Mike McKubre and Ed Storms, and two others, the total I received was $350, which was half my cost, kept low because of taking the bus there (40-hour bus ride, sleeping in bus stations, that was fun at 69, I hadn't faced conditions like that since I was very young. I didn't think about hypothermia. Next time, if I ever do that again, I take a blanket!) and because of not having to pay for conference fees, other than a small amount to attend the banquet. (and I shared a room with another CMNS scientist, also a supporter of mine in other ways.)

I have received no support from IH, other than some personal encouragement, some of which is visible here. I expect that I might visit them, my health permitting, possibly sometime next year, as well as hoping to attend ICCF-20 in North Carolina. Maybe they will help with expenses, maybe not. The same with another major project in the U.S., where I've been told that they may "have me come" to consult. Not directly connected with IH. That somewhat implied funding. I've also been told by someone else -- with money -- that if I get my IRS 501(c)(3) nonprofit charitable status together, there is "plenty of money." So I have some work to do.

I've been telling people for some years now that there is plenty of work to do, and offering to guide and train, because what an individual can do is small compared to what a community can do, with created structure. There is very little response, so far, but "a lot" always starts with "a little." Ruby Carat is sometimes left swinging in the wind. We will change that. Not "me." "Us." It's really the same with almost anything truly worth doing.

And, by the way, a saying from my training: If they aren't shooting at you, it's because you aren't doing anything worth wasting bullets on.

Ah! "begging for defense." The request was on E-cat world, trolling, but I decided to take the challenge, as an exercise. So I wrote a possible defense, but Peter Gluck thinks it is not a real defense. (http://egooutpeters.blogspot.r…16-lenr-as-source-of.html) The defense, if Rossi could assert it without committing perjury, could protect him from criminal prosecution, and provide a basis for negotiating a settlement with IH. But Peter doesn't really care about Rossi, he cares about "LENR+", and he may imagine that a "real defense" would be one that proves "LENR+" is real. But that is not the issue Rossi is actually facing. He is facing a civil fraud claim, which would stand whether or not the "heat is real," which is what gets Peter going. It is entirely possible -- in theory -- that the 1 MW reactor actually produced a megawatt (though I still don't see how that heat could have been dissipated), and Rossi could still be S C R E W E D, because of his business practices. What Peter would want to see might not "defend Rossi," given the evidence already visible to us. Basically, Peter doesn't understand what is happening.

Rossi can defend himself instantly at little cost. All he has to do is to deliver a working ecat to an independent testing lab. THAT will be the day

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PR is mostly offensive. Never forget that. And Sam happens to feel very strongly about this issue. As is his right.

It is his right.

LFH Sam uses your company name in his user name and gives your company web site as his contact site. As well, his views seem a bit aligned with yours in some ways.

Any comment?