BrLP meeting today 6 Dec 2016

Example matching potential sinks for the 27.2ev hydrino emission from the IAEA report are stated as
Pd2+/Li+, Ti2+, or K+/K+?.

The NIST data is approximate data for I.E s are
K+1/+2 = 31.6 eV
http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/ASD/ie.pl
Ti+2/+3 = 27.4
Pd+2/+3 =32.9

I guess the molten silver gadget uses

Ag+2/Ag+3 = 34.8?
or Ag+1/Ag+2 21.8

I am not sure where Li comes in but there seem to be a good selection of metals that have IEs in the 27.4 area.

Has BrLP measured x-ray/gamma/neutrons in the reactor?

Has BrLP measured the silver fuel for transmutations?

Has BrLP measured residual radiation after test?

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I guess the molten silver gadget uses

Silver is just used as a conductor! Argon is the catalyst. Mills uses 97%Ag and 3%H according to the latest papers.

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This is exactly what Mills did 1991 long before Mizuno

Nope, Mills did classical electrolysis, not plasma one. Even the links you provided are proving it. But we should take into account, that Mills claimed as a hydrino even the experiments, which were later proven like the fusion one without any doubt (observed isotopic shift K-> Ca, Rb->Sr, etc). Therefore Mills behaves like crackpot pushing his hydrino idea everywhere from 1991.

@Zephir_AWT

Yeah. Except that he knew that fusion occurs as a secondary reaction back in 1991. It is even in GUTCP. But he says that the reaction rate according to GUTCP is low and that high power LENR is not possible. That is where I dont agree with him because transmutation and neutron emission has been observed on a bigger scale (SPAWAR e.g.).

Argon as the catalyst.
That makes sense

Ag+ ionisation energy = 27.6 from NIST data

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Argon is the catalyst. Mills uses 97%Ag and 3%H according to the latest papers.

Very confused by this. In every Mills setup I'm aware of, Argon is only used as an inert environment. Relatively confident it is not being used as a catalyst in the latest setup. The catalyst is nascent water - HOH (H2O without hydrogen bonds). You also say "97% Ag" - Ag is silver, not argon. Can you please tell me where you're seeing this?

As I have explained in previous posts how Ken Shoulders has shown through experiment, when a metal is vaporized, its vapors will condense into LENR active nanoparticles. The "black EV" is actually a polariton condinsate formed through the action of silver nanoparticles which is LENR active. R. Mills states that self sustain mode in his plasma is due to the production of a sufficient concentration of silver vapor, and from that point of achieving sufficient vapor density, the LENR reaction in the plasma becomes self sustaining without the application of external input power.

Axil,
I am not sure where you place the Mills device. Do you think it works? does not work? or not sure?
The Suncell to me, may or may not work (but the demo of SS mode in the BLP video was too short as proof). So I want to know what you think here.

The other question is about the theory of hydrino's. do you think that fractional levels or how Mills has written about, exist? do not exist? or have another explanation?
-thx

/_{/ I have looked at hydrinos related to trying to understand negative energy. My inquiry was how it possible to get around "quantum leaps" "h-bar" so the hydrino can get to this lower energy level. But I have not accepted that it can.}

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The Demo of SS mode lasting two minutes was long enough for me. I think the SunCell reaction works. that does not mean that the technology that converts the plasma energy to electrical power will work.

I don't accept the dark matter posit that Mills uses to explain away the SunCells reaction ash question. Transmutation will be detected when Mills makes his tech available to third party analysis.

According to Holmlid, ultra dense hydrides have electron spin wave levels below the ground state of hydrogen. Mills might be seeing spectral evidence of these low electron levels in his experiments.

/_{/ I have looked at hydrinos related to trying to understand negative energy. My inquiry was how it possible to get around "quantum leaps" "h-bar" so the hydrino can get to this lower energy level. But I have not accepted that it can.}

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these low electron levels may be produced by superconductivity, since Mills does not report gamma radiation from his reaction.

Thanks, that ties in another piece of the puzzle. I would like to know why 2 minutes of self sustain works for you. I am not trying to argue it needs to be longer,
so does 2 minutes have a meaning for you?

Heat after death is common. The demo did not show rate of change of several factors (heat/pressure/output etc.) before it was restarted.

So (since I try to understand where an idea comes from) I am guessing that you think 2 minutes can charge a cap/battery so that the device can continue to SS? Or maybe you meant low end of the ss scale (like it has to run at least 2 minutes at least or greater).

As far as Holmlid he is currently one of the most interesting experimenters. The "one to look out for". Mills does not at this time have enough evidence to "successfully" commercialize this. The PV idea to me is very very close to a non-starter. Blackbody heat would seem to be the working medium here. Not sure why he does not recognize the energy loss, and try to recover it. I know he knows what "power" is. But the extremely high levels that he is extrapolating just seem like investor misdirection or hand waving.

//Separately Ken Shoulders was a great thinker/experimenter. I have not finished exploring his ideas/tests just yet.

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Very confused by this. In every Mills setup I'm aware of, Argon is only used as an inert environment. Relatively confident it is not being used as a catalyst in the latest setup. The catalyst is nascent water - HOH (H2O without hydrogen bonds). You also say "97% Ag" - Ag is silver, not argon. Can you please tell me where you're seeing this?

optiongeek: That was a typo: Ar is correct: Mills always used a mixture of H and Ar. He is telling this also in every roadshow video. Ar is the ideal level one hydrino catalysator.
See picture extract of Mills (brlp) business presentation below:

Quote from Rigel

So (since I try to understand where an idea comes from) I am guessing that you think 2 minutes can charge a cap/battery so that the device can continue to SS? Or maybe you meant low end of the ss scale (like it has to run at least 2 minutes at least or greater).

@Riegel the shot frequency is about 10Hz (can be higher if needed) . The caps discharge in less than a half micro second. SS mode I guess, was just an error, because the arc back-fired into the Cap's line, what caused an overload emergency stop.

Nevertheless: The SS-mode was a milestone in physics history, which needs further explanation.

Thanks, Wyttenbach. very much appreciate your response. I'm pretty familiar with the design and I can assure you the Ar (Argon gas) supply is not meant to be consumed in the commercial version. It's there simply to provide an inert environment outside the reactor dome and within the containment shell. Argon is not part of the reaction at all. The only catalyst is HOH, with the H provided by the H-gas supply and an O contributed by a "very stable oxide" that is mixed into the molten silver. Mills has been quite clear that the stable oxide does not need to be replaced - the seal on the reactor dome should be impervious to everything but H and Hydrino. I don't know why he is showing a supply tank of Argon, that may just be required in the current "open" operating environment in which the device is running in a glove box.

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Argon as the catalyst. That makes sense Ag+ ionisation energy = 27.6 from NIST data

I still think, that the hydrinos at free state are unable of stable existence. The Coulombic attraction of proton and electrons is balanced with degenerated pressure resulting from Heissenberg's uncertainty principle. But the molecular clusters with heavier atom nuclei shielding the quantum fluctuations of vacuum could stabilize them. This would also explain, why the hydrino evaded the atention so far - the common occurence of hydrogen and argon is rather rare in the nature. BTW regarding the dense forms of hydrogen, I still haven't found an explanation for the way less esoteric material from exhausted cadmium batteries.

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Yeah, a blurred picture of a blue led is also enough for You too continue to believe in Rossi...

Personally I do believe it because me356 has noted it too - and after he anounced his plasma experiments he suddenly became silent - an evidence, that he finally got into something practically interesting.