EMDrive from perspective of dense aether model

  • My EMDrive related threads at Reddit 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 Feel free to ask about it here. Brief intro:

    • The idea of EMDrive originates from A.L.Cullen study from 1951, who measured the microwave intensity with force acting to tappered waveguide
    • In 1998 Roger Shawyer adopted this concept for construction of EMDrive in GP 2334761A patent
    • AWT analogy of EMDrive: a bottomless trapesoid cavity floating at the water surface: the splashing of ripples generates sound waves within (extradimensions of) underwater, which results in difference in radiation pressure at both ends of cavity generating the thrust



    • This model implies, that the polarization of microwaves at the inner walls of EMDrive introduces a spin orbital momentum into photons, which gain mass and slow-down in this way. The difference in momentum is transfered to tachyonic scalar waves of vacuum, which can leave the resonator at both ends of it and the difference in their flux generates the thrust. The device behaves in similar way, like the anapole black hole with one jet suppressed: it absorbs energy and it releases it at one pole in outflux of dark matter, thus generating reactive force.
  • Which testable predictions this model implies?


    The EMDrive can serve as a source of dark matter particles, i.e. the scalar waves / dark photons and it introduces their asymmetric flux. This flux could be detected in multiple ways:

    • By differential changes in Cassimir force and magnetic noise intensity (SQUID) at both ends of cavity
    • By change of light speed as measured with differential Juday-White interferomenter at both ends of cavity
    • By mechanical force ("scalar wind") acting to obstacles along EMDrive axis, most preferably these ones formed from Dirac fermion materials (superconductors, graphene, anapole ferromagnets, topological insulators) and also another EMDrive unit working


    The scalar waves / dark photons are formed with slowing of photons by their polarization with reflection under Brewster angle - from this requirement many geometrical constrains to EMDrive resonator follow

    • The difference in wavelength of light at both ends inside of EMDrive resonator should be detectable
    • The dark photons should be detectable as so-called N-rays during polarization of UV and X-rays independently, they should penetrate the metals but not superconductors and magnetized ferromagnetic materials
    • They should propagate superluminaly, so that EMDrive unit could be also used for faster than light signalling
  • Zephir,
    I am glad that you saw my comment. I follow you as I follow others that have interesting out of the box ideas. I have looked at your writings on Reddit (and phys.org) related to aether. I consider you a specialist in this. This means to me you know the history and verification experiments and open issues and common questions about this. Before going on with the EMdrive discussion. I would like to know your thoughts from the Michelson-Morley experiment and if the new LIGO and eLISA experiments could help prove the existence of aether. When I saw of the more recent work with gravity waves. I thought back to the history of aether. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I have other questions but thought that this would be a starting point, if you care to comment.


    If the recent verification of gravity waves is not related to aether, I would like some clarity. Once I understand some more on this I would like to ask about the E-Universe and if it fits in somehow and where.
    I also do not give a shaite on what mainstream science thinks on this subject. I will take my own sweet time to determine if this is valid. Much like we both seem to do with the EMdrive. So I would like to know your thoughts.

  • Most of Michelson&Morley experiments were crippled - they cannot measure the aether drag, because it has been already dragged by the Earth or material of M-M interferometer resonator. The M-M experiment must be run at higher altitudes for to detect the aether drag. Dark matter naturally concentrates above surface of massive bodies, where the gravity force gets highest. Another primitive experiment, which is in pair with DAMA/LIBRA findings and which you can replicate in your kitchen with pair of magnets.


    But the most important thing is, the luminiferous aether cannot behave like the thin sparse gas FILLING the space, but like very dense elastic superfluid, FORMING the space. In pre-Einsteinian physics the aether was supposed to behave like very thin sparse gas pervading the space. But the true luminiferous aether cannot be very sparse gas, or it couldn't mediate very energetic waves of gamma and X-ray radiation. Such an aether must form the space-time instead and thus behaving like very dense matter instead (interior of black hole if you like). The luminiferous aether model was therefore never disproved with M-M experiment, because it ipso-facto predicts its negative result instead of positive one.


    The LISA/LIGO experiments are looking for gravitational waves, which are analogy of tsunami waves in water surface analogy of dense aether model. Not a big deal for dense aether model, as the general relativity predicts them too.


    vacuum artifact
    water surface analogy
    Brownian noise CMB fluctuations, gravitons
    light wave Faraday waves, circular ripples
    scalar waves uderwater sound waves
    de Broglie pilot wave wake wave
    photons Russel solitons
    neutrinos Falaco solitons
    gravitational waves tsunami waves
    dark matter turbulences, bubbles, dropplets
  • Your post will take me some time to respond to address , as I will try to go through (the links) one by one. If it helps I am familiar with the M-M work on the mountain and its history and it's critics issues with the work. To the point I am wondering if the advances in interferometer's with eLISA and LIGO would have helped where the M-M device failed. If this is related can you address this? -Thanks

  • The Michelson interferometer can be used in more experiments that just the Michelson-Morley experiment. In the Michelson and Morley setup, the Earth is traveling through the vacuum in one direction, and thus changing the orientation of the interferometer should produce different results. However, gravitational waves can come from any direction, so it is possible to get the same measurement from different waves coming from different directions. The LISA/LIGO interferometers are supposed to measure short therm events, not the long term aether drag and they're calibrated for just to compensate the day/annual drifts, which the Michelson-Morley experiment is supposed to measure. At any case, the detection of drag wouldn't be proof of aether, but the dark matter in it.

  • Thank you for bringing this material to my attention. I haven't had time to look at all of it yet, and may not have in the near future, so apologies if you scooped me on this - the Aether theory work of Harold Aspden.


    http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/P23.pdf


    HA was a bit of a fruit-bat in some ways, I had dinner with him one evening perhaps 20 years ago and found him most entertaining. Harold published on such esoterica as permanent-magnet motors and two patents on LENR, much of it available freely online, but since this document covers the area described in the thread title, I think it worthy of inclusion.

  • Please add to that


    http://www.encyclopedianomadica.org/English/aetherometry.php - Canadian. I believe at some point Eugene Mallow was involved with them. Looks like they went completely underground due to lack of acceptance in the scientific community.


    http://www.nanoworld.org.ru/da…ta/texts.eng/19990104.htm - this is Russian inventor of microwave propulsor (there are youtube videous of experiments). He developed it in around same time with emDrive. Material is a bit cluttered but this is in-line with the most researchers in the aether field ( aka Hutchinson)


    Russia/Ukraine is known for a strong support for the ether theory. V. A. Atsukovsky ( allegedly one of the inventors of twisted pair cable ) is arguably a patriarch. English publications are scarce but his work ( few dozen books in Russian) includes complete GUT where he uses gaseous ether and existing thermodynamics to explain all physical phenomena.



    Experiment similar to M-M performed in Urkaine http://www.naturalphilosophy.org/php/index.php?tab0=Scientists&tab1=Scientists&tab2=Display&id=2043 alomst 20 years of measurememnts all supporting ether wind.

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    This model implies, that the polarization of microwaves at the inner walls of EMDrive introduces a spin orbital momentum into photons, which gain mass and slow-down in this way. The difference in momentum is transfered to tachyonic scalar waves of vacuum, which can leave the resonator at both ends of it and the difference in their flux generates the thrust. The device behaves in similar way, like the anapole black hole with one jet suppressed: it absorbs energy and it releases it at one pole in outflux of dark matter, thus generating reactive force


    Can You paste the source of this pure nonsense ?


    Tachyons are just theoretically possible, by calculations of general relativity.


    That does not imply, that everything, what maths allow, is really created by nature.

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    Tachyons are just theoretically possible, by calculations of general relativity. That does not imply, that everything, what maths allow, is really created by nature.


    It just follows from the dense aether model and the water surface analogy: the surface ripples cannot propel the closed cavity floating at the water surface, because they cannot leave the barrier - but these underwater ones can, as they can spread freely. They're longitudinal, so that they can exert an impulse to barrier - the transverse ones don't actually exert a radiation pressure to an obstacles. And the underwater waves propagate way faster than these surface ones.


    In addition, we know about correspondence principle, which essentially says, that when one theory gets violated, then the other ones will likely get violated too, because you know - in nature everything remains connected with everything and many theories (general relativity or quantum mechanics) depend on Newtonian laws in this way or another. Therefore once some macroscopic device seemingly or factually violates the Newton momentum conservation law, it will also likely violate another established rules: the Maxwell's field equations (anapole), it would behave like the warp drive contracting time with negative energy, it violates equivalence principle, CP parity and charge conservation laws and it can also release the scalar waves, tachyons and monopoles.


    Once the EMDrive can get real, then also many others esoteric things can get immediately real. The mainstream physicists know quite well, why they avoid EMDrive like the devil the cross.. 8)

  • The presence of tachyons around EMDrive has been already detected, albeit in indirect way. The Juday-White experiments detected the changes of light speed before and behind EMDrive, which can be also explained/interpreted like the gradient in tachyon density. In water surface analogy the gradient of sound waves intensity (which represent a tachyons with respect to surface waves) introduces a gradient of noise at the water surface, which introduces the gradient of speed in surface wave spreading (analogy of light speed gradient). BTW The mainstream physics already looks for tachyons without even realizing it in similar interferometer, so called Hogan's holometer in form of so-called holographic noise.

  • stick to the facts....


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    The presence of tachyons around EMDrive has been already detected, albeit in indirect way. The Juday-White experiments detected the changes of light speed before and behind EMDrive, which can be also explained/interpreted like the gradient in tachyon density. In water surface analogy the gradient of sound waves intensity (which represent a tachyons with respect to surface waves) introduces a gradient of noise at the water surface, which introduces the gradient of speed in surface wave spreading (analogy of light speed gradient). BTW The mainstream physics already looks for tachyons without even realizing it in similar interferometer, so called Hogan's holometer in form of so-called holographic noise.



    No one has ever detected tachyons, either directly or indirectly.

  • Shawyer was also laughed first with physicists (LOL, ..aerospace engineer? - LMAO!!) - and you see - now everyone of them got silent, because this guy outsmarted them all.
    Regarding Nicola Tesla, he is heavyweight genius even with respect to Shawyer. You anonymous dumbass even have no idea, what everything he actually invented and revealed during his life.
    The person of average knowledge of Tesla technologies would look like E.T. with compare to average physicists, who don't know anything about him.

  • Regarding Gregory Hodowanec: I don't see how he can detect scalar fields with this device he is describing on his website.
    It's basically just an operational amplifier he connects to some speaker/headphones. So he's amplifying static isn't it?

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    I don't see how he can detect scalar fields with this device he is describing on his website. It's basically just an operational amplifier he connects to some speaker/headphones. So he's amplifying static isn't it?

    The important thing there isn't amplifier - but charged capacitor, which is the source of that noise. In dense aether model the electrons immobilized at the surface of its dielectrics behave like so-called Dirac fermions and they can interact with longitudinal waves of vacuum instead of transverse ones. The electrons within graphene, superconductors and topological insulators can behave in similar way (and also ferromagnetics - the scalar waves can be also detected with Barkhausen noise based detectors).



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    Hey! Keep calm everyone or I will close this thread.

    The closing thread for all people isn't the best way, how to handle with ignorants. It would be their victory - not the victory of smart people.
    Wouldn't be more effective to close this thread for dumb people only?