Rossi vs. Darden developments [CASE CLOSED]

Quote from THHuxleynew

AlainCo Yes, "delusional + convincing con-man + liar" is tough for us to understand. A bit easier when you realise that our idea of overarching single consciousness is itself an illusion - we all work as many bits patched together and don't necessarily have an internal model of what these bits are or which is driving us at any given time. It makes coherence - except at a superficial level - not the default outcome. Mostly the demands of operating socially in the real world prevent obvious weirdnesses, but not always!

It makes sense of Rossi's known behaviour.

There would be related philosophical stuff about consciousness (Dennet etc)

And related psychoanalytic stuff (pathological narcissim) touched on using different language by many people - maybe Kernberg is best intro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_F._Kernberg?)

Regards,

THH

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Unbelievable! You've gone from self avowed scientific expert making scientific assumptions based on incomplete information to performing psychoanalysis on a person you've never actually met and, unbelievably, still based on hearsay and incomplete information. Does your hubris know no limits?

Quote from Shane D.

I went through the docs a little more carefully, since our resident expert Sigmoidal is on the road. These are the highlights of what I thought significant:

Rossi threatened with sanction:

"Plaintiffs and Defendants shall meet and confer to determine whether documents
requested by Defendants (specifically, testing data) has not been produced by Plaintiffs.
Plaintiffs' counsel must remind Plaintiff Dr. Rossi that to the extent that Plaintiffs intentionally fail to provide testing data, Dr. Rossi will be sanctioned by the Court."

Rossi and his internet aliases:

"Such responses shall include all screen names or aliases Plaintiff Rossi uses to post information on the lnternet. To the extent Plaintiffs shall serve their supplemental interrogatory answers to Defendant, John Plaintiff Rossi does not use screen names or aliases to post information on the lnternet, he must issue a response verifying the same"

Our Dewey again:

"WITH RESPECT to determining whether communications involving Dewey Weaver,
If needed, Defendants shall reply on or by February 24, 2017 Paul M orris, and Deep River Ventures are protected by the attorney-client privilege:
* Defendants must provide the Court with all communications for which
Defendants declare the privilege applies for in cam era review. The Court warns that Defendants and their counsel may be sandioned if the Court determines that ninety-five (95) percent of the documents reflect business discussions and not legal discussions.
WITH RESPECT to Defendants production of documents:
Defendants must produce the final agreement between Defendants and Dewey
Weaver, Paul Morris, and Deep River Ventures."

Deposition Schedule:

-Fabiani to be deposed 28 Feb via video
-IH to depose Boeing Company 28 Feb
-JMP to be deposed 1 March
-Domenican Republic witness set for deposition today (22 Feb)

Doral visit by IH's expert:

"ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that if the defendant’s expert is available after the
conclusion of the deposition in this matter taking place today locally, the site inspection
shall occur today after the conclusion of that local deposition. If the defendant’s expert
is not available to inspect the site today after the conclusion of the local deposition in
this matter, unless the parties agree otherwise, the site inspection shall occur on March 2 at 0900 EST. Note: Dewey says site visit did not take place, so that means it will be on 2 March."

Fabiani's answers and affirmative defenses (doc 148):

Nothing really new here, other than he is now claiming to be a foreign national not living in Florida, therefore IH has no "personal jurisdiction" over him. Also claims that "Plaintiff has failed to adequately allege jurisdictional facts that bring Fabiani under the jurisdiction of the court". Other than that, the rest looks about the same to me...he downplays his role as minor, hired by IH only to help Rossi develop the Ecat. Says IH owes him 1 months salary. Stands by Rossi as to IH never intending to pay.

Doc 150 in whole:

"PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that there will be a hearing before the Honorable Magistrate
Judge John O’Sullivan at C. Clyde Atkins U.S. Courthouse, 301 North Miami Avenue, 5th Floor,
Miami, FL 33128, on Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 3:00 p.m., on (1) Plaintiffs’ and ThirdParty
Defendants’ J.M. Products Inc.’s objections to Defendants’ subpoenas to Bank of America,
N.A., BankUnited, Inc., and TD Bank, N.A.; (2) Plaintiffs’ violation of the Protective Order
entered by this Court on October 14, 2016; and (3) Plaintiff Andrea Rossi’s failure to respond to Industrial Heat and IPH International B.V’s Third Request for Production."

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Sounds to me like Weaver and Deep River might be feeling a little warm in the britches here.

RiRi - why the surprise? Its getting easier by the day and there are several on this forum and on a particular new blog who are smarter then the average bear in assembling patterns and discerning facts. We're dealing with one twisted sick puppy but fear not, Planet Rossi is going to be on the bottom of the Dirac Sea still calling for more steam, gunpowder and shot.

More chutney......... more relish.....carry on Planet Rossi!

If you've got something concrete to contribute RiRi then bring it otherwise your professional troll status is setting up faster than super glue in the high desert.

Jones Day is doing one heck of a good job on behalf of their clients. These judges are no nonsense and there is very little worry about where this case is heading on the Def / CP side of the battlefield. The same cannot be said for Planet Rossi.

Doc. 151, plaintiffs' memorandum of law, now on the docket.

Shane - the site inspection is slated for Doral. Some have correctly deduced the DR depo witness (three initials, first initial A and last initial d). You can study the order and find more details - the Court had to get involved in an interesting way.

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If you've got something concrete to contribute RiRi then bring it otherwise your professional troll status is setting up faster than super glue in the high desert.

Jones Day is doing one heck of a good job on behalf of their clients. These judges are no nonsense and there is very little worry about where this case is heading on the Def / CP side of the battlefield. The same cannot be said for Planet Rossi.

Dewey, I'm a retired Real Estate Broker in Southern California and I would love to get paid for posting on forums, but so far I've received no offers. Interested? No one has anything concrete to deliver, you because of ND and biased credibility, and the rest of us simply because it hasn't been supplied to us yet. Along with the rest of the poster's here we must wait and see what the Jury decides, unless it settles out of court.

Shane D - I was trying to let you know that Abd got it right on the DR depo.

RiRi - Oh yeah - our field attracts a lot of loud mouth real estate brokers who find themselves credible.

You got nothin' - thanks for clarifying.

More comedy - less pain.

Quote from Ascoli65

The outcome of the Italian academia in the CF/LENR field is an absolute disaster. It has been among the firsts in the world to follow the wave of F&P, but, after nearly 28 years of official researches carried out in the major scientific institutions, what is the result? Nothing!

That is completely wrong. Research in Italy has been successful and definitive, especially at the ENEA. If this were an ordinary field of science, held to the usual standards, many Italian researchers would have won Nobel Prizes for their contributions to cold fusion.

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And, again, could you explain me, please, how his geniality could have induced some "credentialled academics" who teach Physics in a prestigious University to unintentionally write in the calorimetric report that the steam was "checked to be completely dry" by using a "HP474AC probe", an instrument which is not suited at that scope, and, above all, which didn't appear in any of the many photos or video frames available after the January 14, 2011 demo?

You may find these interesting, then.

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/n…1/37/3717appendixc1.shtml

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/n…1/37/3718appendixc0.shtml

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/n…1/37/3719appendixc3.shtml

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Shane D - I was trying to let you know that Abd got it right on the DR depo.

Penon non è in Italia, è nella Repubblica Dominicana!

Bob wins the bet, and gets 42 quatloos!

Ciao!

If IH knows where Penon is at, why did they not serve him papers and loop him into the suit? Hmm, wonder if he had a covenant not to be sued in his contract. Can someone jog my memory if we have seen Penon's contract?

If it is Penon, it was good of him to supply some answers rather than none at all.

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Shane D - I was trying to let you know that Abd got it right on the DR depo.

RiRi - Oh yeah - our field attracts a lot of loud mouth real estate brokers who find themselves credible.

You got nothin' - thanks for clarifying.

More comedy - less pain.

How rude, seems like I must have hit a nerve here.

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Unbelievable! You've gone from self avowed scientific expert making scientific assumptions based on incomplete information to performing psychoanalysis on a person you've never actually met and, unbelievably, still based on hearsay and incomplete information. Does your hubris know no limits?

Rionrlty,

As has happened from time to time in our exchanges, you have misunderstood the point. The links to a philosopher (Daniel Dennett) and psychoanalyst (Otto Kernberg) were because Alain asked for just that. They are really nothing to do with the matter at hand, except that both make the point from empirical observation (as well as rather flakey theories) that people are very very complex!

However, what does have to do with this is understanding "The Rossi Effect" as far as is possible. There, I follow sigmoidal, (possibly) Alain, and I'd imagine a few others in reckoning the most plausible thing that fits the external facts is if Rossi is both a lying con-man and believes his own lies. That explains how he can seem a naive and convincing inventor to many scientists who have met him, yet also in his business dealings lie to his partners so transparently, and similarly lie (or at least misdirect) on JONP.

I agree entirely that any attempt to understand the motivations of actors is speculative, and less strong, as evidence, than all the hard evidence we now (because of IH) possess. I've made exactly that point many tinmes as anyone who has followed this thread knows.

As for hubris, you have more certainty in this matter than me, on rather less evidence:

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It beggars reality that any one is capable of the long term deception with which you credit Rossi. It would take a team of con-men to pull it off. You've been watching too much television or too many movies.

Expert on the art of con-men

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to my way of thinking Dewey has lost all credibility at this point. I wouldn't believe him if said the sun rises in the east.

Judging the truthfulness of another poster based on your own partiality without an analysis of his past known reliability