Rossi vs. Darden developments [CASE CLOSED]

Quote from Peter Gluck

Simultaneously he and other IH supporters have started a savage character assassination campaign against Rossi extended to Rossi supporters (Rossi Planet) and, horribile dictu, to NiH LENR.

Peter, you seem to have forgotten the uncommonly horrible series of postings from Sifferkol that preceded Dewey's appearance here, which were far more savage character assassination (and unhinged and false) than anything that has appeared since he (thankfully) left. That was the character assassination that needed to be confronted head-on, which, thankfully, it was.

Quote from IH Fanboy

Companies like Brillouin and BLP (for which you admit to know little about) are presently attracting very significant amounts of funding.

Mills would not agree that what BrLP are doing is LENR, even though they probably are. But I would nonetheless not include BrLP, which have no truck with LENR researchers, among LENR research, as their association will damage the LENR field if they are mixed together.

[Removed subsequent discussion that on further thought I'm not willing to defend.]

Quote from Eric Walker

Mills would not agree that what BrLP are doing is LENR, even though they probably are. But I would nonetheless not include BrLP, which have no truck with LENR researchers, among LENR research, as their association will damage the LENR field if they are mixed together.

Right. I fear that Brillouin may actually be headed down a similar path of vaporware as BrLP. They keep getting funding, but we don't have anything like convincing evidence yet other than what amounts to anecdote without a full report being released.

Quote from Eric Walker

Peter, you seem to have forgotten the uncommonly horrible series of postings from Sifferkol that preceded Dewey's appearance, which were far more savage character assassinations (and unhinged and false) than anything that has appeared since he (thankfully) left. That was the character assassination that needed to be confronted head-on, which, thankfully, it was.

Eric,

come please with your chronology- I will come with mine I think you are on CMNS where Dewey started paternalizing and applying Commandment 3- we (IH) are NORMALITY any- body thinking differently has mental problems.

It is easy but time consuming to establish who started, when.

I have decided to give full support to Rossi when I have seen in which dirty ways, and how uselessly he is attacked by his former partners - I thought

all the time the Trial is about a technology not a person.

And I am not alone, Rossi-assassination was/is weak, unelegant, strategy acting as a boomerang, I predict.

This campaign can be part of the trial or not.

But the aim of the activity here by Dewey and his followers is to paint Rossi in black (not fantasy, he told it crystal-clearly) more than demonstrating

the technology is not working. Ethics? You know,

you decide

peter

Quote from Peter Gluck

come please with your chronology- I will come with mine

Ok, Peter. How about April 2016, the month the lawsuit was initiated? The posts on LENR Forum will not have been long after that.

Peter,

(1) What part of TD's confidential e-mail about Rossi's character and behaviour do you feel unjustified? This was his private view, not meant to be seen and therefore not PR:

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/darden-to-sloan-372014/

(2) What criticism here of Rossi do you find inconsistent with this view and commentary?

Quote from Jack Cole

Right. I fear that Brillouin may actually be headed down a similar path of vaporware as BrLP. They keep getting funding, but we don't have anything like convincing evidence yet other than what amounts to anecdote without a full report being released.

it is not clear (at least to me) that Brillouin has running experiments- only asking for money to do more. I am not sure they should be listed on my active today list of experiments. I would like to see a list of groups actually doing experiments now, today, this hour. Not last month or maybe next month.

(1) admins can't micromanage

(2) Rossi vs Darden developments are done to the death anyway. Perhaps we need some light relief?

Quote from IH Fanboy

Dr. Ling's report speaks for itself.

Yes, it does. It is wishful thinking and exaggeration. It lists organizations such as KAIST where there was never any research, and BARC where there hasn't been any in 20 years. It lists defunct organizations that never had funding or did any research. Basically, it lists any organization where anyone is on record saying something nice about cold fusion.

If this is the best evidence you have for the revitalization of cold fusion, you have nothing.

Quote from IH Fanboy

Companies like Brillouin and BLP (for which you admit to know little about) are presently attracting very significant amounts of funding.

Yes. BLP has reportedly spent tens or hundreds of millions. They have nothing to show for it; they say their effect is not cold fusion; and they are hostile toward cold fusion. Again, is this the best you can come up with? Is this supposed to be good news? What would bad news look like, if this is good?

Quote from IH Fanboy

India, Russia, and Japan have all recently announced new government-funded initiatives.

There is no government-funded initiative in Japan. There was talk of one a few years ago, but nothing came of it. Since I speak Japanese and I am touch with the researchers there, I know more about this than Ling does, or you do.

I do not know of any successful initiative in India. I am sure I would have heard from Srinivasan if there was one. I know that he and others are trying to interest the government, but they have not succeeded.

Quote from Dewey Weaver

That is a lie Peter and you know it.

I do not think he knows it.

Quote from damn_right_yes

What is the title of this thread ?

....

Why Do You mention Brilloin and others here, when we want to talk about Rossi vs. Darden developments ???

Is there any reasonable explanation for this kind of off-topic-discussion, not being observed and blocked by any admin ?

Welcome to LENR Forum. Take a moment to read through some of the threads and familiarize yourself with the place. Feel free to leave the moderation to the mods and admins. Rest assured that this thread will return to topic with the next set of documents that come along.

Quote from Eric Walker

Earlier ultrasure did quote from a document that does not exist, however,

He quoted from a document that does not exist?! That's a neat trick. Like interviewing a dead person.

No, I got that wrong. I was unable to find the wording ultrasure quoted, but it in fact existed (in red). It was just that ultrasure had missed the "[PROPOSED]" part. So my error in suggesting the document did not exist.

Quote from AlainCo

I'm more sad for what Jed says about the dying LENR science.

There is little reason to be melancholy over Jed-says.

Quote from THHuxleynew

Personally I think Peter is just very stuck in self-generated fantasies from which he cannot escape.

Personally I think the THH is just very stuck in self-generated fantasies of nothing-works from which he cannot escape.

Quote from Dewey Weaver

That is a lie Peter and you know it.

Which part? The part about the threats and the character assassination of those who are part of your supposed "Planet Rossi"?

Quote from JedRothwell

I do not think he knows it.

I have toldmy opinion; more important wlli be the opinion of the Judge- it can be positive, it can be negative- we'll see.

Jed, you seem to suggest that I am unable to distinguish truth from untruth

as in the case of your witnesses clairvoyants seeing how a very standard watermeter is lying quadrupling constantly the flow.

You tell only the truth, you are right, inerrant

But today you hav told something like cold fusion is dead (two days ago it was going to produce 1/3 of the worlds electric power.

peter