the talk of absolute vacuum is unfounded and just plain stupid
Of course it is. The water would boil on its own well before an absolute vacuum was achieved.
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But the final report lists 0.0 bars every day.
Do you believe the report that Rossi claims is Penon's?
If that is to be believed then the "vacuum" you claim from a heat exchanger could not be more than
-0.1 bar (g). (Assuming he is using gauge)
If the outlet water is cooled to around 68°C, then the condenser vacuum can be no more than around 0.28 bar absolute (-0.72 bar g) , or the steam cannot be condensed to water.
So, can the condenser actually "suck" the steam in and still condense it, both, if the steam comes out of the Plant at 1 bar g?
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I believe that there are a number of possible explanations for the 0.0 bar as shown in the partial report. And I do know for sure: the talk of absolute vacuum is unfounded and just plain stupid.
I will ask again a different way, are you still believing that the exchanger pulled a vacuum enough to move the required amount of "steam".
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My view is that there was never much steam and the system was pressurized and perhaps with some antifreeze that kept it below its boiling temp and that Penon lied in his test plan and didn't use the absolute gauge he promised or that Rossi swapped it out.
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Oh I should also say that so far information in Exhibit 5 attributed to Penon and the claimed Penon "final report" might be classified as hearsay unless Penon comes forth and authenticates the material - perhaps he did from DR but we don't know that yet.
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And even in that case, Rossi still has a world-changing technology. That is, assuming that the flow meter was correctly installed. Jed's friends have told him the flow meter was installed incorrectly and measured 1/4 of the actual flow. We have no photographic evidence of a mis-installed flow meter. But if IH can show this, then there was no excess heat. Simple as that.
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Flowmeter evidence in hand IHFB - Planet Rossi is going down down down down down.
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Flowmeter evidence in hand IHFB - Planet Rossi is going down down down down down.
As in down the drain? Did IH ever get water bills for Rossi/JMP? Is this where the leaks went?
Also it seems clear from Exhibit 5 that the steam pressure was 0 barg (gauge pressure). I know it says 0 bar (absolute pressure) in the ERV report but I hear that it's common to specify gauge pressure as bar. This is Penon/Rossi after all. Industrial applications deal with gauge pressure.
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I believe that there are a number of possible explanations for the 0.0 bar as shown in the partial report.
1. Okay, list one possible explanation. Make it plausible. Something other than "fraud" which is the only one I can think of.
2. Why do you say this is a partial report? It covers the entire period of the test.
And I do know for sure: the talk of absolute vacuum is unfounded and just plain stupid.
Nobody said it was an "absolute vacuum." There is no such thing. Despite your nitpicking, 0.0 bar is a vacuum, to however decimal points the pressure gauge can measure.
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@Jed,
Oh, my apologies. You repeatedly refer to it as a perfect vacuum, not an absolute vacuum.
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My point stands: such a reference is pure stupidity in the context of what we know.
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Flowmeter evidence in hand IHFB - Planet Rossi is going down down down down down.
Let me guess: you think something is fishy about the serial numbers.
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IHFB - Rossi loses 5 different ways on the flow meter. Only one needs to stick with the Judge.
There 18 major flaws (of which the flow meter matter is 1) in his case / claims some with substantial subcategories.
If he loses on even one of those flaws then his case doesn't survive. A self-confessed liar has to run the table in order to have his case survive. Burnt toast even by Planet Rossi standards.
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Peter Metz - you're an expert and you've been asked to monitor, assess and report on a system with $89M at stake based on whether you say a system works or not. In fact, you're portrayed as a brilliant nuclear engineer / expert and highly touted as the best possible person for the job. Lets say that hypothetically - this is a test that requires an expert. As part of the basic expectations around this report, wouldn't you expect to have any pressure gauge / flow meter make, model and part numbers included along with pre and post test calibration / certification data as part of the report? We're talking about $89M and none of that was considered relevant by Penon / Rossi. In addition to all the errors, typos and useless diagrams, Penon didn't bother to mention any of that in his report. Questionable and curious or status quo on Planet Rossi?
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@Dewey,
Do you have photographs that clearly show the flow meter was installed incorrectly?
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Do you have photographs that clearly show the flow meter was installed incorrectly?
My recursive ray tracing program is still chewing on the reflections from the foil on the steam tube. Should have good 3D modeled results for the backside of the red container within a few days...
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Peter Metz - you're an expert and you've been asked to monitor, assess and report on a system with $89M at stake based on whether you say a system works or not. In fact, you're portrayed as a brilliant nuclear engineer / expert and highly touted as the best possible person for the job. Lets say that hypothetically - this is a test that requires an expert. As part of the basic expectations around this report, wouldn't you expect to have any pressure gauge / flow meter make, model and part numbers included along with pre and post test calibration / certification data as part of the report? We're talking about $89M and none of that was considered relevant by Penon / Rossi. In addition to all the errors, typos and useless diagrams, Penon didn't bother to mention any of that in his report. Questionable and curious or status quo on Planet Rossi?
At one time I was involved in developing large software systems. Testing occurred at all levels and included extensive test plans, test procedures, test reviews, configuration management, quality control etc. Subcontractors with expertise in testing were brought in. Any divergence from test procedures and configurations followed a strict and controlled process especially final acceptance testing.
I find that what constitutes testing here, from both IH and Rossi's perspective, to be almost incomprehensible. Granted not everything has been disclosed but from what has, it is still beyond belief that things have gotten to this point. It's difficult to not fault IH for some of this based on what I've seen. To put it more colloquially, "What were you guys thinking?"
That said, I'm still curious about water usage by the plant and the customer (JMP) and the "leaks." Does IH have this data? Is it relevant? Thanks.
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More about Penon, and the essence of the dispute here
Please compare these two data;
37.57 km/hour and
21.09 km/hour
These the average speeds attained during
100 m run and
at the marathon (42.195 km) as show
the present athletic world records. For the long range test you can/must run slower.
And Penon was accused for incompetence because he has chosen an flowmeter seemingly oversized- actually specially calibrated on purpose.
his task was to choose and test instruments for an marathon test and for this resistant instruments with constancy in reading are necessary- specifically a flowmeter calibrated for the conditions in which it will function- - sealed for a year- then verified by re-calibration in the same
conditions. (documents at the Court)
The flowmeter has rotating parts and these must be as resistant to wear as possible.
Obviously a minimum number of rotations possible is good- this is the very reason, the logic, the superior technological common sense that has guided Penon in choosing the type of apometer.
- aimed for behaving well during the loneliness of the long distance Runner. And it had!
Industrial experience.
Thinking about Penon who was viciously attacked here from the vety start- I realize an essential thing.
The Rossi killers here are not so much corrupt
(funding is limited) as indoctrinated and self-indoctrinated to hate. Rossi must be hated! and then hatred is extended to his collaborators to his supporters - ostracized to a strange asylum like fictive Planet- hate everything related to Rossi.
Hate the Plant, hate the instruments, but focus on persons. It is something pathological in this but it is human, it is overall, in the worst senses...just it is not effective and not efficient.
It is useless to speak aaout the chief indoctrinators proselytizing "hate Rossi!"
Understand them, they are lacking technical proofs.
I equate it to the "Trump haters" in the U.S. after recent election.
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You have that backward! The pipe was 40 mm in diameter. Ergo the steam density and speed could not have been what is claimed. This is proof that your equations do not apply.
You cannot erase facts because they prove you are wrong. It only works the other way around.
The thing is there are not real facts. They are all incomplete, probably intentionally.
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Para - hilarious. Don't forget to associate the perfect vacuum & water leaks as claimed by Penon / Rossi. Perhaps we have a perpetual motion machine after all.
All I know for sure is that you are perpetually full of it.
