Rossi vs. Darden developments [CASE CLOSED]

@THH,

Here is Rossi's testimony regarding the condensate trap on the outgoing pipe (the one that goes from the 1 MW plant to the JMP plant).

194-3, pages 180-181

"11 Q. Where was the condensed steam collector

12 placed?

13 A. It was placed -- I set it up, I remember,

14 together with Tom Darden and it was basically a

15 rubber pipe with a cup at the bottom that had to

16 collect -- there is -- okay.

17 Along the pipe, the steam pipe that

18 exited from the one megawatt plant to go to the J.M.

19 plant, we have put this cup, this plastic cup sealed

20 with the bottom of the steam pipe so that any

21 dripping of water was visible at any time and it was

22 put inside the insulation, but the insulation was

23 made in a way that it could be easy displaced to pull

24 down the rubber pipe, open the valve that was at its

25 end and see if water was going down.

Page 181

1 And I remember perfectly that Darden

2 together with me and Fabiani all -- quite all the

3 times that Darden came down, he wanted to see the

4 dripping of the water from, and we never have seen

5 any dripping of water. And also the ERV. Also the

6 ERV during his -- during his -- during the days in

7 which he came controlled the dripping."

So at least according to Rossi, there was a condensate trap.

Quote from IH Fanboy

So at least according to Rossi, there was a condensate trap

Another RossiSays.

News flash: Rossi lies. You cannot believe anything he says.

@Jed

I look forward to seeing Darden's testimony on the condensate trap. We'll see.

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No, not correct. When IH refers to the JMP container, they are not referring to a container that is outside the "customer space." That would be nonsensical.

Look at the schematic in the Penon report. Look at what Penon wrote, and what Rossi confirmed. There were no measurements taken inside the pretend customer site. All of the calorimetry was performed with instruments outside the customer site. No one disputes that. No one but you, and you have no basis for what you say.

Rossi did claim there was a massive radiator with fans blowing the heat out of the building. Evidently this was invisible, it made no sound, and it vanished the day after the test. Oh wait! It didn't vanish. They used the equipment for something else. Sure. Yeah. I expect you believe that too.

Let me ask again: Now that you have seen this steaming pile of . . . nonsense, would you still award Rossi $267 million in damages? Are you really so convinced that Rossi's claims are true, and his reasons for not revealing how the gadget works are valid, that if you were a member of the jury, you would find I.H. guilty?

Quote from JedRothwell

Look at the schematic in the Penon report. Look at what Penon wrote, and what Rossi confirmed. There were no measurements taken inside the pretend customer site. All of the calorimetry was performed with instruments outside the customer site. No one disputes that. No one but you, and you have no basis for what you say.

But that isn't what I'm disputing, is it? Stop trying to put words in my mouth--not very polite. You suggested the JMP container was outside the "customer" space. But it clearly is in the customer space.

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Let me ask again: Now that you have seen this steaming pile of . . . nonsense, would you still award Rossi $267 million in damages? Are you really so convinced that Rossi's claims are true, and his reasons for not revealing how the gadget works are valid, that if you were a member of the jury, you would find I.H. guilty?

It isn't a matter of guilt. It is a matter of liability. I'm still sorting through the documents. And boy is there a lot to chew on!

Another classic exchange at 194-3, page 302 (Rossi testifying):

4 Q. So you -- you directed or requested for

5 Jim Bass to work on a new control system that would

6 be used by J.M. Products?

7 A. Correct.

8 Q. And then you requested or directed that

9 Fulvio Fabiani assist Jim Bass in that project?

10 A. Yes, because they are complimentary,

11 because where ends Fabiani begins Bass and vice

12 versa. They together make a good couple, electronic.

13 Q. I will let that side. [probably said slide]

14 A. Electronically speaking.

I'm going to have to read again so cannot be certain, but I got the impression that the definition of the JMP container was the boarding that created the JMP space.

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I got the impression that the definition of the JMP container was the boarding that created the JMP space.

Correct. It is that wall they erected in the middle of the room. Perhaps that is what is confusing IH Fanboy. All of the calorimetry was performed outside that wall. It shouldn't have been. That was an outrage. But it was.

Quote from JedRothwell

Correct. It is that wall they erected in the middle of the room. Perhaps that is what is confusing IH Fanboy. All of the calorimetry was performed outside that wall. It shouldn't have been. That was an outrage. But it was.

No, not correct. Because IH often refers to the JMP container as the JMP plant. And yes, all of the calorimetry was performed outside the wall (that is an entirely different and unrelated point).

Yes, the JMP plant was defined as the boarded off area, I cannot see a problem there.

Murray's entire deposition is in 215-3

Mentions a visit by Jed (p123).

One minor mystery solved page 163 : the output of the 4 Big Frankie/Tigers are DN40 ... but they are merged into a larger pipe, size unspecified (he guesses DN80, but can't see it).

@Jed, @Malcom

Here you go. 194-8, page 115:

4 Plants means -- ones of those plants is

5 the -- is the E-Cat plant by Leonardo, correct?

6 A. Yes, it is correct.

7 Q. And this picture that we have as Exhibit

8 8, that's reflected in the small piece of the red

9 container that we can see on the right-hand side of

10 the picture?

11 A. Yes, it is correct.

12 Q. All right. And the other plant is the

13 J.M. Products plant and that we can see in this

14 picture is the -- the top of the black box that we

15 see on the right-hand side of the picture; is that

16 correct?

17 A. Yes, it is correct.

18 Q. All right. Between those two plants --

19 I'm sorry, I may sometimes call them containers

20 instead of plants. Is that okay with you?

21 A. No problem.

When placed under oath, Murray's story is just a tad bit different than what was in Exhibit 5:

215-03, Pages 162-163

25 Q.· · How do you know what the inside looked like?

1·A.· · Because at the end of the test you and I and

·2· everybody else there had an opportunity to walk through

·3· and take pictures of and inspect everything on the

·4· inside of the container.

·5·Q.· · On the steam, on the -- I'm sorry.

·6·A.· · I'm saying on the reactor.

·7·Q.· · Okay.

·8· A.· · It should be located --

·9· Q.· · On the reactor?

10· A.· · Yeah.· Near --

11· Q.· · Okay.

12· A.· · -- the BF units at the back of the reactor,

13·all of the pipes coming off were what I believe are

14·DN40, 40-millimeter pipes.· I actually have a picture of

15·a pipe joint that actually flags it as a DN40.

16· Q.· · Okay.· And those feed into a larger pipe,

17 ·correct?

18· A.· · They feed into a main, and then the main goes

19·across to the Johnson Matthey facility.

Exhibit 48.. James Bass ....

Wow, this is interview is hard to believe... just like the entire eCat drama!

"...I saw the heat strips

that are installed on the serpentine pipes -- on the

serpentine pipe.

If you look at Exhibit 2, what are the

heat strips? Is that the insulation?

No, he had heat strips along some parts

of it that are covered up now."

heat strips???

what are the serpentine pipes?

Why does he need heat strips?

How do we know then what is under the insulation and if there was a heat strip near the output sensor under the insulation that were supplied from the customer's side?

Could be a reason why Rossi so quickly destroyed the evidence and removed all those pipes, insulation and possibly heat strips. It would not take much at the thermocouple insertion to heat the sensor to misrepresent the temperature of the fluid by a few degrees. I have seen Rossi's "misplaced" thermocouples in his Italian demos.

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Sorry folks, I have to get some other things done today. Hope to dig into these docs again tomorrow. I must say, there is a TON of information. Much of it is NOT good for either Rossi or IH. Despite the voluminous information, we still don't have (as far as I can tell) a single picture of the flow meter / return pipe configuration.

I stand corrected, as I said I needed to read again. It looks like the definition is the box inside the enclosed area.

@Malcolm

Respect.

Quote from IH Fanboy

When placed under oath, Murray's story is just a tad bit different than what was in Exhibit 5:

That is because he discusses events that occurred after he wrote Exhibit 5.

You seem to be insinuating he was dishonest.