Rossi vs. Darden developments [CASE CLOSED]

Alan Fletcher ,

See below, PDF page 46, same reference that you posted:

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If 1mW of heat where flowing out of a window, I would think that there would be wavy resolution around the window. Have you ever looked across a hot car and noticed how there is "atmospheric distortion"? As an amateur astronomer, "atmospheric distortion" is often a problem in getting good photos.

1 mW? Did you happen to work on the 1st draft of the JMC agreement?

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Alan Fletcher ,

See below, PDF page 46, same reference that you posted:

Which specifies maximum 36.2 l/h at medium back-pressure, 1 bar (presumably gauge). Near atmospheric pressure would be close to 0-barg, such as DT's 0.2 barg. At that low back-pressure the delivered (and metered?) flow could be "several times" larger.

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1 mW? Did you happen to work on the 1st draft of the JMC agreement?

oops thanks for catching that .... MW of course.

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I pointed out some time ago (soon after the license agreement was published) that an obscure paragraph seemed to say that in the event the agreement is found to be invalid, or is abandoned by either party, the license rights revert to AEG at no cost. No one here seemed to think it significant at the time, but to me it looked like an invitation for scheming.

The IH/AEG agreement is at 207-16 : http://coldfusioncommunity.net…01/0207.16_Exhibit_16.pdf

I can't find a "revert" clause.

There was an earlier (Oct 26, 2012) "Memorandum of terms" which is superseded by this agreement.

Edit : the Rossi/IH agreement 01-2 http://coldfusioncommunity.net…6/11/0001.2_Exhibit_B.pdf section 16,2 page 16 DOES say something like that. ... "The [Rossi] AEG agreement will be deemed reinstated in full."

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At that low back-pressure the delivered (and metered?) flow could be "several times" larger.

That's why you should/need to install backpressure valves - as shown on page 2 of the manual you have provided - when metering into atmospheric pressure or a vacuum:

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... are used to create a constant back pressure to ensure precise feed rates and to protect against over-metering or to increase metering precision if the back pressure is fluctuating or when metering into atmospheric pressure or a vacuum.

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Which specifies maximum 36.2 l/h at medium back-pressure, 1 bar (presumably gauge). Near atmospheric pressure would be close to 0-barg, such as DT's 0.02 barg. At that low back-pressure the delivered (and metered?) flow could be "several times" larger.

Best to ask them. The chemical resistance data in the manual is in BarA (standard conditions)

I'm going to leave it at that, filed under the (as usual) neither proven nor disproven category.

But again, not impressed by Smith. He read the label but not the technical manual. (See IF/BUT/THEN foo above).

Edit : going WAY back to the original ecat tests, Levi was criticised for reporting a flow bigger than the pump could deliver. But I don't recall whether that was for a peristaltic or solenoid pump. But might be the same condition : pump delivers more than specified maximum at atmospheric pressure.

Edit 2 : The original flow criticism was a different pump : Discussion at https://animpossibleinvention.…i-ih-affair/#comment-4694

Edit 3 : This LMI J56D is a diaphragm pump, similar to to Prominent. For it, too the manual https://www.lmi-pumps.com/lmi-…otionNew/157983_1615n.pdf warns :

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If you are pumping downhill or into low or no system pressure,
a back pressure/anti-syphon device such as LMI's Four Function
Valve should be installed to prevent overpumping or syphoning.
Contact your LMI distributor for furthur information

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I asked a contact who knows a bit about air conditioning to check out the Doral building's capacity fot unforced heat loss...this is his calculation.

Are you sure that your contact considered in his calculation that on a sunny summer day in Miami you get quite some sun radiation, which heats up the roof and walls (are they metal cladding?) of such a warehouse to very unconfortable temperatures?

There is this second law of thermodynamics...

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I am looking at the door/window at the lower left coner of your photo, and don't see any reflection neither, although we may be sure that there is glass in it.

Yes, but that door is not immediately adjacent to the section of the window that has a pane.

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Back to Prominent Gamma-L : http://www.kmdahl.no/uploads/2…ipment-catalogue-2011.pdf page 1-5

"When metering at atmospheric pressure the pump can achieve several times the stated feed rate" ...

"Several" is more than "Two" ...

DT : I have personally used that model of Prominent pump and at a pressure of 0.2 Bars its flow rate is about 90 liters per hour.

I rate "Three" as "several", so it looks as though the prominents could deliver the required 60 lph, compared to their rated 30.

So a secondary (hidden?) pump is not needed. Nor is E48's dual-flow with its associated problems. However, it's not clear what all the other plumbing around the big frankies is for.

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Wow Alan, that drives the final nail into the PUMP FUD.

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According to Rossi, he ran the pipes through that door. You can see the top of the dividing wall in the bottom of each pic.

Please provide a cite. I searched through all of Rossi's depositions and could never find such a claim from him. It is at this point merely a Smith-says.

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Wow Alan, that drives the final nail into the PUMP FUD.

I edited my post to describe the original J56D pump in the first eCat demonstration. It also over-pumps (ie delivers more than the spec) at low pressure!

Edit : cross-posted to ECW, awaiting moderation (or banning).

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Oh, for heavens's sake! Look at all the windows in the complex, from few different angles.

Some look 'missing', some look reflective, some have something behind the glass.

And then move to another viewpoint along the street view, and suddenly the "missing-looking', reflective, stuff behind, etc. looks a little different.

It's not like all the tenants were busy popping out and quickly replacing windows as the Google car drove by, just to confuse us.

Oh, not sure such certainty is called for. I just did another careful review of all angles from each lane, I don't see any credible reflections in the two left-hand panes of the window in question. The only one that might be is the clouded/steamed view that you have highlighted, but as Alan pointed out, it is the only window in the shot that has supposed "clouds" reflecting from it.

The clearest picture we have is from Smith's report, and it takes some vivid imagination to think that the two window panes to the left with no reflection have panes, given that they are immediately adjacent to two panes that undoubtedly have panes and reflections.

The only other shot that I could find that even came close to showing what might be a reflection is shown below. To me, this looks more like equipment behind a screen than a reflection.

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The clearest picture we have is from Smith's report, and it takes some vivid imagination to think that the two window panes to the left with no reflection have panes, given that they are immediately adjacent to two panes that undoubtedly have panes and reflections.

It requires no imagination whatsoever to suppose that there are panes in that window you labeled "No Pane", or in the lefthand side of the middle window in Smith's photo. But it does require imagination to assume that there is no pane. We are led to believe, then, that there is a gaping open window leading into the upper story of a warehouse that contains IP worth 89 million dollars, one that remains open at night, left to the temptation of any passersby. One that is clearly covered over with a glass pane at an earlier date. One that looks very similar to the panes in the picture that Paradigmnoia linked to. This is getting silly.

Someone should call the building's landlord.

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It requires no imagination whatsoever to suppose that there are panes in that window you labeled "No Pane", or in the lefthand side of the middle window in Smith's photo. But does require imagination to assume that there is no pane.

So I just showed a young child, who is under the age of 8, this image and asked: "which of these has glass and which does not have glass." He quickly pointed out that the two on the left did not have glass and that the two on the right did. Then said: "that was easy."

We should let others judge for themselves. I've always known you Eric to be even-handed in your observations. This one seems blatantly obvious to me, and to a young child, and I'm honestly perplexed why it isn't to you.

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We are led to believe, then, that there is a gaping open window leading
into the upper story of a warehouse that contains IP worth 89 million
dollars, one that remains open at night, left to the temptation of any
passersby.

It could have easily been rigged with an alarm, which would not be apparent to an outside view. In addition, we are told that there was an on-duty guard there around the clock. We also know that someone from IH and/or Rossi were there around the clock.

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One that is clearly covered over with a glass pane at an
earlier date. One that looks very similar to the panes in the picture

that Paradigmnoia linked to. This is getting silly.

The only other view that even remotely shows those two left panes as having a reflection is the cloud/steam shot.