Rossi vs. Darden developments [CASE CLOSED]

Quote from Rends

To say that the report must be faulty, or even preposterous, is not the solution, because with the means available to us from the outside, we simply do not have the possibility to produce evidence and therefore it is all but a presumption.

That's absurd. Anyone with knowledge of calorimetry, instruments or basic thermodynamics can look at the report and see it is a preposterous fake. Rossi supporters refuse to look at it. Or they look at it and see sequences such as 36,000, 18,000, 36,000 and say "ho hum, nothing wrong with that." Which proves they have no idea what they are talking about.

The Penon report could not be more convincing or more clear proof of fraud. It shouts out that conclusion.

Quote from Alan Smith

There was no contractual requirement (AFAIK) that this plant should produce 1MW of heat continuously. Running at 250kW would be fine, so long as the COP was high enough to meet the required standard. Perhaps someone can point me to a contradictory clause in the disputed contract that says otherwise?

You are right. There was no contractual requirement for that. If Rossi himself had not claimed the device produced 1 MW, there would be no dispute about this particular issue. No one would be talking about the invisible pipes or the non-existent heat exchanger in the mezzanine. If Rossi had simply claimed there was 20 kW input and 40 kW output, we would all agree his warehouse HVAC could handle that. That would the equivalent to 2 or 3 stoves.

Rossi was the one who brought about this controversy, by making a preposterous claim.

Mind you, given the equipment he used, there was no way he could have proved it was 20 kW in and 40 kW out. There was no way to test steam quality, and the flow rate was obviously wrong. So, 40 kW would have been disputed. But not because the heat would have killed the observers.

If he actually had 40 kW output, with convincing proof, I.H. would have happily paid him the $89 million.

Quote from Alan Smith

Why not email Bo Hoistadt and ask him about Ni/H research? It would be interesting to know what they are doing over there.

I do know anything about that. I have heard reports that a new group of marks in Sweden is preparing to fund Rossi's latest claim for the blurry-blue-LED quark-X or whatever he calls it. Does he even claim that is Ni/H? I don't know what he claims about that.

Quote from IH Fanboy

And as far as we know, all of them worked.

As far as you know? You know nothing. You just make up stuff and call it facts. I happen to know that none of those tests worked. I probably know more about them than you do.

For a while, people thought the Lugano test might have worked, but it was a bust. None of the other tests worked. They were done by people who know more about calorimetry and LENR than Rossi does, or than you do. Heck, you don't even understand that water boils at different temperatures depending on pressure. That's elementary school science and you got it wrong. You won't admit that, and of course you will not discuss any technical details or try to show an error in the Smith report. Just because you are ignorant and you dance around and evade the issues, that does not make you right.

Quote from Alan Smith

A single truck radiator ought to be good for 100kW at a reasonable wind-speed (20-30 mph). This is because a 300kW fully loaded truck climbing a gradient needs to be able to dissipate that much heat via the radiator.

OOPS. I got this wrong --

A truck radiator has to dissipate a lot more heat than that. I do not know what size truck that is for, but suppose it is a large American GM pickup truck, such as the 420 HP Silverado model. That's 313 kW. Unfortunately, ICE engines are extremely inefficient. Around 30% at best, for Diesels. To produce that peak power, the truck has to produce ~600 kW of waste heat. Most of that comes out at the radiator, I think. (Some is radiated from engine block, the transmission and so on.)

Even if that radiator was only needed to dissipate 100 kW, you could not put it inside the warehouse without a hood and large ventilation fans. That is too much heat for an enclosed space. That is the size of a large commercial kitchen, which must have hoods and fans. On the other hand, you could put the truck radiator outside the building. That would work fine. I think any sensible person would do that.

The radiator does not work by itself, passively. A automotive radiator is always coupled with a large, powerful fan. I think that would be needed even at 100 kW, which is roughly what a pickup truck produces while idling or driving slowly with no load. It will overheat if the fan breaks. So, for this to work, you would have a large radiator and a powerful fan outside the building. Anyone would see that.

ADDENDUM: I forgot that a lot of the heat goes out with the exhaust gas. I don't recall how much, but perhaps the radiator would only need to dissipate ~100 or 200 kW. Anyway, it would still be best to put it outside.

Rossi as JMP doesn't agree with Rossi as supplier of water meter data to the ERV, which doesn't agree with Fabiani as third source of water meter data.

So the water meter data is useless.

And all the COP reports are directly tied to the water meter data.

Just from that, the suggestion of 'guaranteed performance' is a farce, upon which the wobbly tower of simultaneous additional farces are stacked.

Quote from Paradigmnoia

Rossi as JMP doesn't agree with Rossi as supplier of water meter data to the ERV, which doesn't agree with Fabiani as third source of water meter data.

So the water meter data is useless.

And all the COP reports are directly tied to the water meter data.

Just from that, the suggestion of 'guaranteed performance' is a farce, upon which the wobbly tower of simultaneous additional farces are stacked.

Yes, but you must admit Rossi and his individually detachable window panes provides some entertainment... Perhaps Ele will explain the cunning mechanism Rossi invented to do this, running up and down stairs as the JMP customer changed his heat requirements...

On second thoughts - I can see some practical problems asking the JMP customer to do anything at the same time as Rossi is busy with the detachable window-pane device.

Quote from Roger

By "strong technical background", do you mean software analysts and electronic circuits teachers writing 2k+ posts about thermocouples?

Typically software analysts have no training in mass flow and thermodynamics. Electronic engineers do, as part of the 'common core' of engineering, not to the highest levels maybe, but enough to form correct opinions.

Quote from Roger

and by people "lacking any technical training, experience, or knowledge", industry-savvy engineers having worked with steam or complicated machinery for decades (Engineer48, Peter Gluck, Rionrlty and others) ?

Oh dear. Peter Gluck is the one (or perhaps first) exception that I mentioned. Rionrlty, according to himself, is a former realtor! Nothing wrong with that of course, we all can be interested in topics outside our careers, but then, would you trust an engineer to get the legal matters of a house sale correct first time?

Now who are these other supposed 'experienced' people you mention? Eh? Not yourself, obviously.

I don't like all the dicussion about pipe diameters etc. Ridiculous!

The question that I would ask is: If someon has an overunity device, produses 1 MW of heat with only 1/50 or 1/80 of input, why would he shut down it, not letting the best performing 3 Tigers in operation and sell the output or convert it to (Carnot) Electricity and sell it back to the grip?

But that is in general a question to all the overunity claims in the market, why do you need funding, if Your device produces usefull output?????

Anyone know why ele has not yet replied to my question about the heat exchanger calculations he/she seemed interested in? You get the impression from his/her posts that he/she is technically competent, but careful avoidance of real tech questions is for me a warning sign.

Quote from Bob

This is the memo that stated a "customer" would be much more impressive than conducting it in IH's NC facility.

Yes ― that sounds like the Doral term sheet I was referring to (or maybe an email in the same thread), which was, at least initially, very distinct from the GPT. We'll eventually find out what the court thinks about the question of estoppel.

Doc. 260, an order, now on the docket (courtesy of Abd, who often beats me to new documents).

Quote from jimimo

I don't like all the dicussion about pipe diameters etc. Ridiculous!

The question that I would ask is: If someon has...

All fair points in the bit edited out of your quote, but pipe diameters (and such) have a quantifiable/non-arguable basis, everything else relies on human factors, that are notoriously changeable. Give me a discussion about pipe diameters any day! Far easier to arrive at a firm conclusion...