Rossi vs. Darden developments [CASE CLOSED]

Quote from THHuxleynew

Notice how no-one can tell how much of radiated energy is absorbed by the container. And Rossi does not do controls. Actually in this case a control is quite difficult. But - even if it were all absorbed - the container temperature would not be anything like the radiation fake-black-body temperature - because the effective temperature is so much lower.

THH are you ok ?

What have you written is simply nonsense. It remind me the nonsense text and poems from Lewis Carrol.

Actually I'm quite sure from what I read that you have no Scientific Education.

Maybe you are a good writer and a good person but no Scientist would have written such a mess.

Quote from JedRothwell

You are wrong about that. They would love to see that. It would be worth hundreds of billions of dollars to them. They spent years of effort and millions of dollars trying to make it work.

Millions of dollars ...... Really ? Really they would love to see a test ?

Oh Great Informed Man tell us now why they have not sent an entire squad of Engineers to Doral to follow the test step by step instead of just one non expert person ?

Quote from Forty-Two

And I could imagine that this plan could bear fruits, wouldn't there be an internet community which keeps an close eye on this case - watching what Rossi does, and what IH does.

Wow on my opinion you are really overestimating your role and the role of this Forum.

Contract for Millions of Dollars are quite common in Industry and Business environment and for the large part of them there is not an Internet Forum chatting like hairdresser ladies, or like men at the Pub (no Beer here ! so bad !), discussing this and that without real knowledge of the fact.

Investors have their own methods to get information and know what competitors and partners are doing.

Just imagine what a shame if Apple should ask to Internet People "hey, what Samsung is doing ?" or vice versa "what's going on in Cupertino ?"

Quote from Shane D.

They paid another $10m after the VT for the IP.

The 10M where only a deposit before the complete payment. Read the contract.

Otherwise the rest of the payment would be a nonsense.

Anyway the VT was done with IH experts and was ok for them.

Quote from ele

Yes sure that is exactly what IH hoped, to take the IP for just 10% of the price.

They had had already done their tests and had all the partial report from Penon (without rising any problem) so why not try not to pay ?

A good question for them (IH) would be:

Where is all the money they collected from investors now ?

Again, Rossi has no IP, neither does IH, a worthless Italian patent, and an equally worthless US patent for a "water heater", no claims, data or otherwise for LENR, the rest are a hoard of published applications, none granted.

Quote from Forty-Two

That's my guess too.

And I could imagine that this plan could bear fruits, wouldn't there be an internet community which keeps an close eye on this case - watching what Rossi does, and what IH does.

I am sure IH managers know that they have a the responsibility to protect their investors from beeing defrauded, and can not just use "others people money" to pay themself out of a bad deal.

If they would take the easy path and just pay (with the investors money) Rossi for his shenanigans, they would risk legal consequences.

That is absolutely what these investors do. Also note that anyone investing in such funds has to be a "qualified" investor, having to sign specific statements for such investments that say that they can lose all their money. Darden et.al. are salesmen, with no technical, scientific or engineering background, and for whatever reason were suckered by Rossi. Who knows, they all maybe sat around and said, "if there's a 0.1% chance "something" works, it's worth the $10M."--That is their normal business, the sad part is that they threw away that money on a con, versus using it for something or somebody worthwhile, and now they are throwing it away to attorneys which is costing another small fortune. They are going to try to get that back, almost certainly.

Quote from ele

Wow on my opinion you are really overestimating your role and the role of this Forum.

Pot, meet kettle.

Quote from andrea.s

Of course M.A. not M.Sc. , my mistake.

Yes it is common although old-styled to call Dottore, and address as Dr. Someone in writing, someone with whatever university degree.

That may explain why PhDs aren't that popular here. All those years and your title doesn't show up visibly to your neighbors and relatives unless you brag for it.

Italians are traditionally obsessed with titles, so we call people Avvocato (Lawyer) Ingegnere (Engineer) etc. which probably used to sound respectful a century ago.

I think I already mentioned a while ago that it is typical of illegal parking valets to call you Dottore in mocking reverence without caring to check your references. This applies to native Italians, whereas immigrants (the majority nowadays) use "capo" I.e. "boss" which is also pretty good for the ego.

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Given this information (which is quite interesting!) don't you all think that it would be appropriate to give some deference to this elderly (old-styled) gentleman from Italy to be referred to as Dr., given that he has a legitimate advanced degree (equivalent to a U.S. masters degree yes, but it is different historically in Italy) in Philosophy of Science?

New documents on the docket:

Not too interesting, I suppose.

Edit: I wrote this post before seeing Eric's post regarding a new ruling on the Docket allowing Rossi more time. Nothing very interesting or informative about that. So the points below remain.

Not much happening on the Docket (the silence is deafening).

And actually, this is surprising to me, because I thought that IH would appeal the Magistrate's ruling on their Motion for sanctions against Rossi for spoliation. Their case for spoliation looked strong to me, and the consequences looked devasting for Rossi. Although they could still appeal, I think it is safe to conclude that if they have not appealed yet, they are very unlikely to.

There are (at least) four explanations I can think of for this:

1) They are confident that their Motion to Dismiss will succeed, so spoliation sanctions are unnecessary.

2) Since the burden of proof for Rossi's case depends on Rossi providing the evidence, Rossi's removal of evidence tacitly harms his case, so sanctions are not needed since they are essentially 'baked in' by Rossi's actions. In this line of reasoning, sanctions are redundant to the already established result (missing evidence).

3) They want a trial in order to more clearly demonstrate to the world how farcical Rossi is. Pushing for sanctions would likely result in no trial.

4) Their case for spoliation is actually week, so they decided to drop it.

My guess is scenario 2. The problem with this, though, is regarding the counter-suit, which I think would be greatly strengthened with 'adverse interpretation'.

So I still find it puzzling. Time will tell, as we wait to hear the rulings on each party's Motions to Dismiss, and as each party must be preparing for trial, since it cannot be ruled out at this point (and is increasingly likely with the passage of time).

Quote from IH Fanboy

Given this information (which is quite interesting!) don't you all think that it would be appropriate to give some deference to this elderly (old-styled) gentleman from Italy to be referred to as Dr., given that he has a legitimate advanced degree (equivalent to a U.S. masters degree yes, but it is different historically in Italy) in Philosophy of Science?

Ok, I'm game. From now on it's all 'Dottore Rossi' from me, which I think is a highly effective way to properly address this elderly gentleman delusional con-man, proven fraudster, lying cheater, and pathetic sock puppeteer.

It will no doubt have the desired effect for both of us.

With all due respect, as they say.

Quote from Shane D.

Jan 2014 Rossi calls up Levi "Hey, I need to get these guys off my back, can you run another test?". Sure Rossi, will do.

I read in an earlier post that the Lugano test was required by Woodford. This suggestion needs to be verified.

Interesting how so many things like windows, or emissivity can be argued for pages upon pages, and yet regarding the no pump, no pressure, uphill-flowing water and flooded condensers in Bologna no Rossi supporter will touch with a word...

IH Fanboy

I'm with you on this one. I would suggest Dott.Rossi (instead of Dr.Rossi) to make it clear that it is an Italian courtesy.

You see, I don't share the resentment against the man who has perhaps not invented the new fire, but whose deeds have emotionally involved and entertained all of us for so many years. If he gets into real trouble I would support an appeal for grace, though I may feel differently were it my money.

Edit: thinking it over, if it were my money, then it wouldn't be me.

Quote from sigmoidal

Edit: I wrote this post before seeing Eric's post regarding a new ruling on the Docket allowing Rossi more time. Nothing very interesting or informative about that. So the points below remain.

Not much happening on the Docket (the silence is deafening).

And actually, this is surprising to me, because I thought that IH would appeal the Magistrate's ruling on their Motion for sanctions against Rossi for spoliation. Their case for spoliation looked strong to me, and the consequences looked devasting for Rossi. Although they could still appeal, I think it is safe to conclude that if they have not appealed yet, they are very unlikely to.

There are (at least) four explanations I can think of for this:

1) They are confident that their Motion to Dismiss will succeed, so spoliation sanctions are unnecessary.

2) Since the burden of proof for Rossi's case depends on Rossi providing the evidence, Rossi's removal of evidence tacitly harms his case, so sanctions are not needed since they are essentially 'baked in' by Rossi's actions. In this line of reasoning, sanctions are redundant to the already established result (missing evidence).

3) They want a trial in order to more clearly demonstrate to the world how farcical Rossi is. Pushing for sanctions would likely result in no trial.

4) Their case for spoliation is actually week, so they decided to drop it.

My guess is scenario 2. The problem with this, though, is regarding the counter-suit, which I think would be greatly strengthened with 'adverse interpretation'.

So I still find it puzzling. Time will tell, as we wait to hear the rulings on each party's Motions to Dismiss, and as each party must be preparing for trial, since it cannot be ruled out at this point (and is increasingly likely with the passage of time).

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I think the Hearing before Altenaga on 23 May will Appeal the Spoliation decision and I guess much else. As you say it would be weird for them not to Appeal it. Tom