Italian Contribution to LENR (by Gianni Albertini- UNIVPM-I, Domenico Bassani- SIDOM-I, Fabio Cardone -CNR-I)

  • Do you need to read a paper claiming improvements in nuclear AHE by making knot along a wire to jump to the conclusion that you are deep in the fantastic world of Foamyland?


    Standard model physics is fantasy land. May be you did stay there too long. Go back and study magnetism and you might understand why knots work different than straight wires.


    But may be we overestimate your skills by magnitudes.

  • I doubt whether even Ascoli65 can find foam in this paper.

    From your snap-shot: “Along the last 8 years our group observed Anomalous Heat Effects (AHE) in wire of...”


    How comes that other respected labs were not able to replicate?

    From the SKINR Final Report on Calorimetry-based Excess Heat Trials using Celani Treated NiCuMn (Constantan) Wires :

    ‘No excess heat was observed in a calorimeter of a sensitivity <10 mW when running either the initial or later test protocols during ∼ 200 days of testing.’


    And then there was also this replication fail by MFMP:

    https://e-catworld.com/2016/02…-possible-10-excess-heat/

    to which - btw - Celani commented this...


    ... before MFMP were made aware that they very obviously meassured / calculated the P-out wrong.


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    Definitely a good use of Italian Lira for further research.

    I guess nobody cares this days how many “Italian Lira” are spend for investigating AHE from Celani

    wires... since anyway the only other way to get some heat from Italian Lira notes nowadays is to burn them in the oven.

  • Standard model physics is fantasy land. May be you did stay there too long.


    As for fantasy land, yes, I wandered throughout it for a long time, more precisely 8 years, since the January 2011 Ecat demo in Bologna. However, you don't need standard model physics to orientate yourself among the prodigies which you encounter in Foamyland. Elementary physics and mathematics and usual common sense is more than enough. When you meet someone speaking about physics models, standard or not, you can be sure you are going in the wrong way.


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    Go back and study magnetism and you might understand why knots work different than straight wires.


    The difference is well known since the beginning of the human civilization. Making knots were more effective to catch preys. https://helpdata.github.io/knots/traps.html

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    This practice is strictly tied to "magnetism", i.e. the art of eating, from Italian "magnare", a regional variant of "mangiare" (to eat), very popular in Italy. From the same root, it comes also "magnificence", from Latin "magnum" "facere", i.e. to make somebody big, by means of eating a lot. :)


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    But may be we overestimate your skills by magnitudes.


    Oh no. As every Italian, I'm very skilled in this matter by almost daily "magnitudes" of winded and knotted special wires:


    (For a longer sequence: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ji78b )


    Anyway, jokes aside, is it your physics model really able to explain the improved nuclear performances of Celani's knotted wires?

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    This practice is strictly tied to "magnetism", i.e. the art of eating, from Italian "magnare", a regional variant of "mangiare" (to eat), very popular in Italy. From the same root, it comes also "magnificence", from Latin "magnum" "facere", i.e. to make somebody big, by means of eating a lot. :)


    Anyway, jokes aside, is it your physics model really able to explain the improved nuclear performances of Celani's knotted wires?



    you should also add that this popularity is strictly related to Italian food quality and variety, probably a consequence of a paradigm different from "fast food" culture. Celani, if I remember well, has been much more criticized for his electrolytic compression experiment, mainly in a long-lasting debate on a cold-fusion italian blog.Seems to me that he is following a path similar to that of Japanese researchers.

    If we look however at the "restaurant bill" USA and Japan are much better placed than italians "buongustai".

  • Oh no. As every Italian, I'm very skilled in this matter by almost daily "magnitudes" of winded and knotted special wires:


    ......


    Anyway, jokes aside, is it your physics model really able to explain the improved nuclear performances of Celani's knotted wires?

    There was once a mathematical problem (supposedly now solved) of the impossibility of spaghetti noodles mixing with some sort of cylindrical-shaped pasta of some not-much-larger in diameter arriving at a point where many of the larger noodles contained a spaghetti noodle passing through them longitudinally as a result of random boiling which was countered by the surprisingly frequent occurrence of said phenomenon in a unit volume of boiled pasta. The problem was known as the Noodle Insertion Problem .... which makes it a nuisance to search the web for the term.

  • This practice is strictly tied to "magnetism", i.e. the art of eating, from Italian "magnare


    Ascolian foamology from the Italian blogosphere.


    Magnetism is from the Greek magnes lithos which the Latins adopted as magnes

    said to be from the lodestones found at Magnesia on the Meander River.


    Microscopic examination of lodestones reveal magnetite (Fe3O4) with inclusions of maghemite (cubic Fe2O3), often with impurity metal ions of titanium, aluminium, and manganese. This inhomogeneous crystalline structure gives this variety of magnetite sufficient coercivity to remain magnetized and thus be a permanent magnet
    Whatmagnetizeslodestones? The Earth's magnetic field at 0.5 gauss is too weak to magnetize a lodestone by itself.The leading theory is that lodestones are magnetized by the strong magnetic fields surrounding lightning bolts.This is supported by the observation that they are mostly found near the surface of the Earth, rather than buried at great depth.

    http://scienceunderground.org/…magnets-with-lightning-2/

  • 8.00 am in Italia bonjourno ..

    from 2.00 am ?? hours of foamy dreams

    make a video.


    Good morning to you, Robert. No foamy dreams this night?

    Well, in the meanwhile, I've prepared a list of videos where you can find 30 years of foamy dreams!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OQu44UIC_s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBAIIZU6Oj8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n88YdKYv8sw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn9K1Hvw434

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXaijlN1AKo#t=2m16s     

    Ascolian foamology from the Italian blogosphere.


    Magnetism is from the Greek magnes lithos which the Latins adopted as magnes

    said to be from the lodestones found at Magnesia on the Meander River.


    Really? Are you sure? Isn't the Magnesia that sort of remedy you take after having eat (It. magnato) too much? :)

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  • Celani, if I remember well, has been much more criticized for his electrolytic compression experiment, mainly in a long-lasting debate on a cold-fusion italian blog.


    Yes. It started on 2005, when it was announced the possibility of an Italian-Japanese research project on LENR, which would have cost 25 MEuro (1). As you said, that diatribe, which lasted till recently, was mostly on Celani's electrolytic compression experiment.


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    Do they also make knots on the wires?


    (1) https://fusionefredda.wordpres…cci-ermete/#comment-51054

  • I would remind you that Francesco CELANI is a forum member, and may be minded to put you right. Or maybe not, since he might regard it as a waste of pixels.

    Alan Smith

    Talking to me?

    Yes, I know that Celani is sometimes around here (no need to remind me of that), and of course he is entitled and welcome to give his opinion why SKINR didn’t observe excess heat from his wires.

    Why would this be a waste of pixels?

  • There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Ascoli Than are dreamt of in your philosophy     foamology.


    The anomalous heat observed by Celani may well be an anomalous gamma state decay effect induced by stress on isotopes such as Fe-57

    .. however this is speculation..

    which of course requires patient and methodical research to test out rather than Ascolian buffoonery.


    http://coldfusioncommunity.net…/05/Metzler-Florian-1.pdf

  • Why would this be a waste of pixels?


    celani at al ..


    Importance of knots as non-equilibrium areas to enhance Anomalous Heat Effects (AHE) in

    Constantan wires exposed to Deuterium or Hydrogen atmosphere


    This is my armchair view,, very easy to say.. not so easy to test experimentally

    .......Perhaps the knots have to be freshly prepared...within a day or so..otherwise the nonequlibrium is lost

    perhaps Mathieu and SKINR lost the tightness in their knots due to creep of dislocations??


    Replications can fail for may reasons unless the exact conditions of the original experiment are followed

    How many variables are there involved in the original experiment???

  • Do they also make knots on the wires?

    No, as far as I know, but seems that the active material used is similar, i.e. nanostructured NiCu alloys.

    Celani is the first cited author in a quite recent NEDO project paper.

    Japan seems quite seriously commited in following LENR research according to NIKKEI journal and the DoD report.


    The article cited as first reference in the Japanese paper, was published on 2014 in Vol.13 of JCNMS (1), that is the proceedings of the ICCF7 held in Seoul in late August 2012 (2), where Celani reported the results of the tests performed in June-July 2012 by heating constant wires in a glass tube. His presentation (2) included many more graphs of the parameters recorded during those tests.


    The same results were first presented in early August at the NIWeek 2012 in Austin, TX (3) and a video (4) shows Celani illustrating some of the graphs included in (1). In particular (at t=3:59), Celani describes a graph with a black curve, which, by his words, shows the "begin of power increase" and the "power oscillation". This graph corresponds to Fig.3 of article (1) (a larger image can be seen on slide 31 of presentation (2)) and the black curve, which progressively increases up to 10 W, is labeled as the excess heat calculated during the test.


    Well, IMO there is no reasons to believe that that curve represents a real excess heat and that the wide oscillations, the instabilities mentioned on slide 32, have anything to do with nuclear phenomena. On the contrary, it's easy to shows how the rising trend of the black curve and the wide oscillations derives from some mundane artifacts.


    These curves have been shown many times in the following years to demonstrate the capability of the constantan wire to generate excess heat. The fact that the Japanese cite these wrong results at the first place of their paper only means that they are once again engaged in a reproducing an inexistent phenomenon, as they already did in the 90' when they unsuccessfully tried to vaporize the water in their electrolytic cells at the same wrong rate that was reported by F&P in their ICCF3 paper, rate which was instead relative to the lowering of foam level.


    (1) http://coldfusioncommunity.net…018/07/56_JCMNS-Vol13.pdf

    (2) http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CelaniFcunimnalloa.pdf

    (3) http://news.newenergytimes.net…rom-national-instruments/

    (4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe5rcEvsek0

  • There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Ascoli Than are dreamt of in your philosophy foamology.


    … and listen, oh my friend, those things which cannot even been imagined will be one day claimed by a congregation called the Cold Fusionists!


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    The anomalous heat observed by Celani may well be an anomalous gamma state decay effect induced by stress on isotopes such as Fe-57

    however this is speculation..


    I agree. Nothing than that.


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    which of course requires patient and methodical research to test out rather than Ascolian buffoonery.


    Hey, don't be so harsh! You are my LENR Bard, a never ending source of inspiration.


    As, for instance, this bizarre idea:

    This is my armchair view,, very easy to say.. not so easy to test experimentally

    .......Perhaps the knots have to be freshly prepared...within a day or so..otherwise the nonequlibrium is lost

    perhaps Mathieu and SKINR lost the tightness in their knots due to creep of dislocations??


    Replications can fail for may reasons unless the exact conditions of the original experiment are followed

    How many variables are there involved in the original experiment???


    Knot freshness, a new variable that no one had ever thought of before, not even at INFN.

    So, beyond the type and number of knots, you propose to take into consideration also their expiration date!

    Are you serious?