Stanford Energy Club: Nuclear Community Kickoff: Developments in Lattice Energy Reactions

Cool that they've formed a club. Good luck to them.

It looks like they've misunderstood what "LENR" means. As everyone knows, it means "Latent Emergent Nanoscale Reactions."

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It looks like they've misunderstood what "LENR" means. As everyone knows, it means "Latent Emergent Nanoscale Reactions."

So far I thought, it means rather Low Expectancy Never Return, but I could be still wrong. At any case, such a radical brand change is a strange start in my eyes...

Jones Beene of Vortex-l attended the event. He's posted this on the mailing list:

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Last evening I was over at Stanford for a meeting of a new group focusing on nuclear and lattice energy alternatives: Stanford Energy Club or SEC, not to be confused with football. It was an interesting meeting with short talks by Fran Tanzella, Carl Page, Alan Goldwater, Bob Greenyer and others. Greenyer mentioned in passing that Holmlid had been asked to provide ICF targets for Livermore. Wow. That is a major development if he got it right.

I did not have time to stay for Q&A to find out more. Maybe something will turn up today.

I wonder if Holmlid performed, LLNL tested, and a report is forthcoming. That would answer many looming questions about Holmlid.

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/n…minder&utm_term=eventname

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Jones Beene of Vortex-l attended the event.He posted:

"Greenyer mentioned in passing that Holmlid had been asked to provide
ICF targets for Livermore. Wow. That is a major development if he got it
right."

That is not correct. What Bob said was that Holmlid was proposing to provide an ICF target. I think CERN is far more likely than LLNL to be interested.Bob will be posting a complete video of the event in the near future.

AlanG

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That's a bummer. Holmlid has been proposing that since years ago, so it's not really news.

Looking forward to watching the video.

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In short, according to Me356, the most important aspects of a basic Ni-H system was:

- Cleaning the nickel of oxides.

- Vacuuming the nickel to remove trapped gases.

- Having an additional source of hydrogen other than only LiAlH4 (although he said a mixture of only the two could work).

- Having good LiAlH4 (he mentioned Alfa Aesar LiAlH4 seemed to contain 20 times as much hydrogen as what he had previously been using.)

- Controlling internal pressure.

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This is Mr. Greenyer's (and also yours) theory - not Me356's one. But Bob Greener never succeeded with LENR at Ni-H - so he has no idea, which setup really works. And Me356 also didn't succeed, after all - until he did use the corona discharge. BTW Piantelli did succeed with quite different preparation of nickel.

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Also, Bob Greenyer has not succeeded at producing significant excess heat NOT because Me356 was -- according to what you must believe -- lying to all of us about producing excess heat before using coronal discharge, but because his team barely does any testing. Me356 tests over and over again repeatedly. The MFMP may test once every couple of months -- if that. If the MFMP had the budget, staff, and manpower to test consistantly changing one variable at a time, they would have achieved great results.

Finally, what I mention above as information given by Me356, are backed up by his posts on this forum. He made quite a few of them and dropped several bits of guidance. If you think this is a lie, please feel free to challenge me!

I don't think most think me356 was lying--just sadly wrong. I think that he, like Parkhomov, is very skilled and innovative in many respects, just not careful or skeptical enough to make sure all artifacts were eliminated. No information he presented that was acted upon experimentally by others resulted in any apparent increase in excess heat (or excess heat that could safely be seen as above calibration). Brian Albiston worked very hard to try everything suggested by me356.

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me356 specifically claimed to have made reactors with just nickel wire and hydrogen gas -- no corona discharge whatsoever -- with COPs of 2 to 3

Do you have some link to me356 claim? I known, Piantelli and Cellani did start with it, but I'm not aware of similar results with me356. After all, his claims are very difficult to document as he pulled them from the web already.

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Secondly, me356 specifically claimed to have made reactors using nickel powder and LiAlH4 without any corona discharge whatsoever -- with even higher COPs.

This is just what I'm not already aware of it. Please link. It shouldn't be so difficult, if Me356 leaved plenty of comments at this forum.

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Also, Bob Greenyer has not succeeded at producing significant excess heat NOT because Me356 was ... assumption, assumption... Me356 tests over and over again repeatedly.

Link, link. As the time from Me356 disappearance from the web increases, this forums seems to suffer with increasing amount of legends about his experiments.

My impression is, he was quite hopeless instead - until he didn't try the corona discharge. From this moment he disappeared from the web: a typical attitude of overunity researchers, once they finally get into something.

BTW Thanks Alan for cleaning of OT section of comments.

My impression (which can be indeed wrong, but I'm not also presenting it here as a fact) the research of Ni-H system did already pass three stages:

1. The pure Ni+hydrogen (Piantelli from 1992, Cellani later). Piantelly soon realized, that the surface treatment of nickel is, what affects the COP the most and he finally got into his stabilized whisker technology, which was the moment, when Rossi borrowed this know-how via Focardi and when he did start his own experiments with cold ECat. Note that Piantelli already did use magnetic field and electrostatic impulse activations already, as well as Rossi did (without magnetic field, though).
2. The Ni+hydrogen+lithium. IMO Piantelli was first, who patented it again. It opened the way for hot ECat experiments of Rossi, but I think, without whiskers and electromagnetic activation it has no meaning to attempt for their replication (dtto unsuccessful attempts of Parkomov, Me356, Greenyer). IMO no special treatment of nickel is important here, it just must get dried in hydrogen before mixing with LiAlH4.
3. The Ni + hydrogen (and lithium?) corona discharge - this corresponds Quark-X of Rossi and Me356 later experiments. This is IMO most reliable way, how to run this fusion known so far. The complex cleaning of nickel or even preparation of whiskers has no good meaning here: the plasma has self-cleaning, self reducing effects, it also provides the micro-cracks and oversaturation with surface with atomic hydrogen dynamically with proton implantation again and again.

IMO if someone wants to replicate this stuff, he should also utilize all activations methods known so far (Li, AC+DC corona, magnetic field) at the same moment - or he could waste his time in months of futile attempts. Cellani was able to observe onset of nuclear reaction after weeks of heating of nickel wire in hydrogen/argon mixture and from practical perspective such a LENR has no meaning anyway.

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Cellani was able to observe onset of nuclear reaction after weeks of heating of nickel wire in hydrogen/argon mixture and from practical perspective such a LENR has no meaning anyway.

SKINR thoroughly trounced much hope that Celani's special nickel wire works.

See their very detailed investigation here (calorimetry sensitivity of <10mw).

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Sensitive mass flow calorimetry was used in a series of tests to evaluate eight treated NiCuMn (Constantan) wires in a gas loading
cell. The goal of this testing was to reproduce and confirm the production of excess heat when using an experimental setup similar to
that demonstrated in 2013 by Dr. Francesco Celani at National Instrument’s NI week and ICCF 17. Six of the eight Constantan wires
used in the SKINR tests were provided by Dr. Celani and the remaining two were obtained from Mathieu Valat. Initial tests in the
series closely followed the set-up, operation, and heating protocols used by Dr. Celani with a significantly modified stainless test cell
to enable the use of mass flow calorimetry. Later tests used the same modified test cell but added additional heating protocols using
pulsed or highly modulated electric currents (SuperWaves) to enhance hydrogen loading and create additional thermal gradients
within the Constantan wires. No excess heat was observed in a calorimeter of a sensitivity <10 mW when running either the initial
or later test protocols during ∼ 200 days of testing

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some of the elements you mention might be antagonistic to LENR

Which ones? Most of these activations methods weren't still applied with public replicators, together the less. Maybe some of them are redundant, but you should first have some system really working and doing the heat on demand - just after then you could alter it and simplify it. And lithium + corona is the most reliable LENR system known so far. Once you're short of resources (which IMO applies to every cold fusion replicator), you should start the research with combination, which is already known to work.