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    http://www.aerospaceamerica.or…ee_AeroAmericaFeb2017.pdf

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    NASA researchers rattled the propulsion community last year when they reported generating thrust inside a vacuum chamber with electromagnetism instead of propellants. Was the effect real or a product of an unknown source of error? Adam Hadhazy spoke to scientists who aim to find out.

    I've posted it on emdrive-forum


    https://emdrive-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9

  • Eric Davis wins the award for the best eye-rolling comment in the article:


    That conical cavity of theirs is a microwave oven,” Davis continues, “and we know from physics that microwave ovens can’t fly.”


    This goes on par with famous Lord Kelvin' saying: "The machines heavier than air cannot fly"

    And Lord Kelvin wasn't just somebody like Mr. Davis - he was absolute guru and authority regarding physics of his era.

    BTW Eric Davis is pathoskeptic by his very nature. Such a people cannot be convinced - only expected to die out.


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    Microwave ovens aren't supposed to make gold from beer bottles, either.


    I also read about it - but the fact, inventors still collect the money for support of their research serves as a little warning for me. If they can produce up to 400oz of pure gold from 1 ton of empty beer bottles, why they don't smelt at least fifty kilos of them? They wouldn't need to ask for any money anymore. Melting glass in microwave oven is easy and you can even buy some kit for it - so where the problem is..?


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  • AlainCo,

    I am a pilot wave fan. Just like CF or EMdrive it never hurts to ask questions and question results. In the evenings I put on Richard Feynman to drift off to sleep. He tells a great story about some pompous scientist who said "if your experiment does not match accepted theory (I paraphrase) it is wrong".

    Feynman points out the double slit. Pilot wave makes a very presentable argument on why that photon hits that slit in that spot. The emdrive people are putting their own money on it. We may get some bleed off science if it does not pan out. But just imagine if it does. Crow dinner for everybody.

  • Rigel,


    I'm a pilot wave fan too. More specifically, I'm a proponent of the concept that an aether exists which is the substrate of all physical reality. There are many variations of aether theory, and I don't think we know enough to say for certain which one is most accurate. However, the existence of an aether simplifies science and eliminates the need for nonsensical quantum concepts; for example, how an electron is not an individual particle but part of a probability sphere.

  • Mr. SS,

    I still have an open mind on aether. I would have to imagine that the photon is riding on a lepton field. According to quantum field theory all particles are actually excitations of corresponding quantum fields. We have a Aether specialist who can make that argument Mr. Zephir.


    I am sticking my neck out just saying that Copenhagen is just a city maybe more. Just maybe more. I have never heard a plausible aether theory. And I have spent sometime on his sub-reddit have you read it? Zeph-sub-reddit.


    The only problem I have with him, is his chasing Axil around, I have been reading Zephir's ideas for years. He should defend it. But if you have any reference documents I will be glad to read them, if I am wrong I own up to it. I think you are the same way. So any references? TIA


    My question is that if the Aether exists and it is a field, does it have a particle? Is it a new one, or a new way of looking at an existing particle?

  • Google "introduction to scalar physics" and you will find a PDF file. The file has a well thought out explanation of the aether, magnetism, the electric field, etc.


    I'm not exactly sure if aether is made out of particles or something else we cannot quite comprehend. I think the issue is that we don't have the tools to really understand the exact composition of the aether. For example, I don't know if there is any microscope that could ever get an image of an aether particle. My mental image is that the aether is "something" (maybe a sea of tiny particles) that form all of matter and energy and maybe space itself.

  • I am sorry friend, I will need a better explanation. Here is the Author. He has had one too many experiences with the greys. This does not help his arguments.


    I have my own suspect for you to take alook at. Man-who-stole-moon-rocks. I got this link on here, but I enjoyed the video. You may.


    Really I am sure that there better references. I came across him (T.M.) with an older search I did on electric universe. But I will keep an open mind. I

  • On the microscope, you may be right. The largest collider we have is the LHC at 13 teraelectronvolts (TeV). It is the only thing we have to verify the standard model until China brings theirs online in 2028 or so. I am a standard model supporter. Maybe would see Aether at 20 Tev but that is just waxing.

  • Google "introduction to scalar physics" and you will find a PDF file. The file has a well thought out explanation of the aether, magnetism, the electric field, etc.


    I'm not exactly sure if aether is made out of particles or something else we cannot quite comprehend. I think the issue is that we don't have the tools to really understand the exact composition of the aether. For example, I don't know if there is any microscope that could ever get an image of an aether particle. My mental image is that the aether is "something" (maybe a sea of tiny particles) that form all of matter and energy and maybe space itself.

    Space/time is composed of EMF instabilities called virtual particles. This instabilities produce something called a quantum spin liquid which is the origin of the long range entanglement of space time.


    For a complete explanation please read as follows:


    http://www.nature.com/news/the…rce-of-space-time-1.18797


    Entanglement is at the fundamental heart of LENR.

  • About hints that X-rays could give about the size of the reacting zone,

    Hagelstein in JCMNS vol 22 remind us the Karabut experiment, glow discharge LENR and observation of collimated 1.5keV X-rays.

    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/B…JPjcondensedu.pdf#page=58

    Karabut and his coworkers at the Luch Institute reported the observation of excess heat and other anomalies in glow
    discharge experiments in the early 1990s [1]. In subsequent experiments Karabut noticed that soft X-rays near 1.5 keV
    were emitted, and that they were collimated upward in his experiment normal to the cathode surface [2]. This effect
    was studied for more than a decade [3–10], and was found to be independent of the cathode metal (the effect was
    seen with Al, and with other metals through W), also to be independent of which discharge gas was used (collimated
    emission was seen with H2, D2, He, Ne, Ar and Xe).


    The comments of Hagelstein, who is an expert in X-ray LASER, start by the usual depressing warnings...

    He then propose an alternative to LASER effect, phased array emission...

    As I understand he does not talk of LENR but suspect 201Hg is the emitter ...

    New ideas to analyse, new "its impossible"... Possible mechanism?


    NB: 1.5keV is quite large wave, about 8 angstroem...


    anyway, beside Karabut, is there évidences of collimated X-rays in LENR experiments?

    I think Ed is calling for that tests.

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    Entanglement is at the fundamental heart of LENR


    It's consequence of the more deeper underlying mechanism of LENR. We can always raise the question, why/how the atoms/atom nuclei get entangled during cold fusion and not under another normal situations? Just after when we couldn't raise such a questions, we could call our answers fundamental - but not before.


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    The only problem I have with him, is his chasing Axil around, I have been reading Zephir's ideas for years. He should defend it.


    My problem with Axil is his postmodern superficial attitude oriented to quantity instead of quality. Once I'll handle Axil as a semi-random generator of links, I've no problem just with him (but for example Alan Co is much better with it and he still doesn't load his links with pile of biased speculations). Just the fact that Axil links the information about aether concept from Nature journal (which is superconservative mainstream science journal and the world "aether" was never allowed to appeared in it) speaks for something.


    While I'm also proponent of aether model, this model has been very mishandled with many aetherists in the past, only Oliver Lodge has understood it correctly in its purist and geometrical way. The most close understanding of the dense aether model is the interior of dense stars: the superfluid and empty from intrinsic perspective, the infinitely hot dense and heavy from extrinsic one. For me it's just emergent space-time concept free of any other attributes. It's not sparse gas, superfluid or whatever else particular phase.


    The pilot wave theory has its direct counterpart to water surface analogies of quantum mechanics, but at the case of EMDrive I'm not very sure that A) the pilot wave model has something to tell about it. B) it really applies just to microwave photons within EMDrive. The very basis of pilot wave theory is the assumption, the particles are inert pin-point objects, the carrier of quantum aspects of their behavior is in pilot wave theory about them. In this aspect it differs from Copenhagen interpretation, which considers whole particle as its pilot wave. But in dense aether model these two interpretations get blended for lightweight particles like the photons and just for microwave photons their particle-like pilot wave character is the least pronounced from all wavelengths, because such a photons cannot be distinguished well from CMBR photon background.


    The mindless application of pilot wave theory can be therefore misleading just at the case of EMDrive. It's also important to realize, that prof. Louis de Broglie wasn't himself conservative proponent of pilot wave model, which he considered it simplistic. He coined the Double solution theory instead, because he really understood, what the quantum mechanics is about. Therefore he was not only one step ahead of mainstream physics (which now just reinvents the pilot wave theory again), but two steps instead and even after pilot wave theory acceptation the physicists can still learn something new from him.

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    glow discharge LENR and observation of collimated 1.5keV X-rays


    If the LENR results from low-dimensional collisions, then the resulting gamma or X-rays should always get collimated in smaller or larger extent. My understanding is, the Hagelstein/Karabut observed this behavior in this foils, where the random aspects of lattice domain orientation get suppressed. Another point can be, the ions get implanted beneath surface of metal in oriented way, because the field accelerating them is always perpendicular to the surface of metal, which would lead into their stacking within metal lattice. The plasma implantation is also very effective way of oversaturation of metal lattice with ions, which would lead into population inversion of excited nuclear states. From this reason I consider the glow-discharge plasma in Me356 style as the most effective and reliable way of LENR initiation, way more effective than equilibrial hydrogenation. The formation of such jets can serve as an evidence of "lasering", i.e. the presence of avalanche-like propagation of nuclear reaction, once the resulting radiation initiates another nuclear reactions waiting in its path. In bulk metals like the palladium the formation of pits and hot spots at the surface can serve as an evidence of such avalanche-like breakdown of LENR.

  • Zephir,

    I am aware of de Broglie–Bohm theory among others. I do not have time to discuss your thoughtful post above for now but would like to later today. I do not know what timezone you are in I am in GMT-5. But will check back later.

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    But please consider my words, get a bit more human.


    Try not to be human so much instead - just keep the subject and everything will be OK automatically.


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    Lov tu dívku dolů a vysílání její pic na svých webových stránkách a podrobí ji do svého posměchu bylo špatné


    You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about - try to look at the source, you're trying to cite first. The reason for my banning from /r/Physics was fabricated after coup, which overthrew the former moderator - now the same situation repeats there again, btw. This community becomes turbulent, because of increasing pressure of new findings, which cannot be ignored so easily.


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    I do not have time to discuss your thoughtful post above for now but would like to later today


    Apparently that de Broglie–Bohm theory wasn't of greatest importance for you there...