Interview with Michel Vandenberghe of LENR-Cities ... moving forward! Towards a European LENR ecosystem ?

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    Michel Vandenberghe is one of the two founders of LENR-Cities (Global project, Swiss project), a project started in march 2012. Since one year, few information of that project were broadcast on Internet. However in LENR community the project is causing people to speak of it. I interviewed Michel Vandenberghe to know more (this February 22nd 2014). Here is a translation of the French interview.


    Hello Michel,


    Hello Alain


    We had few information on your project since may 2013.


    Much work. It is still too early to talk about it, however we will do it during next may, if we keep our timetable.


    Where are you now?

    We work hard to network scientific, industrial and financial capacities to accelerate LENR development. We have to convince the actors who own one of the keys of LENR market, to join that ecosystem. After one year of work we have a good definition of the problem, and have established required relationships. Remains to initiate catalysis. ^^


    Are you ready ?


    I will not talk about how we operationalized our project, many things in process.


    Why an ecosystem?


    By nature, LENR will have a global impact. It is therefore clear that any project do intersects with multiple interests and issues, whether it is driven by a start-up or a corporation. Each player follows its own objectives, often without realizing that negative externalities(*), actual or potential, of its action creates the conditions for its failure. This is a key point.


    Given the transformational impact of LENR and the need of all industries to integrate into future LENR industry, the exercise requires a unique approach.


    We work to build an organization where each project independently, with its own objectives, contributes to the achievement of the overall project, (ie: that each project has positive externalities) reinforcing everyone's interest to support the overall project. This is what we call an ecosystem.


    Our project is just one of the projects of this ecosystem. By nature, it is not in competition with any other. We reuse here partly some experience acquired during a previous project.


    So, your project is to develop an ecosystem?


    No. LENR-Cities aim to fulfill the own need of the ecosystem along it's development. To develop the ecosystem is a condition to develop its own business.


    Your project seems centered around Neuchâtel in Switzerland. Are the actors whom you speak essentially Swiss?


    No. Switzerland has the best conditions from our point of view to develop an LENR engineering pole, our ultimate goal. Regarding the canton of Neuchâtel, local actors have a wide spectrum of scientific and industrial required skills. Following this same logic of ecosystem, we believe that the canton and its neighbors could develop and industrialize key components of future production tool of LENR industry.


    The description of your project looks very different from conventional industrial approaches. What is your concept of an ecosystem?


    In an ecosystem, the value of a transaction reflects the decreased risk for each actor.


    This is somehow a kind of multi-part compensation where we include potential externalities of a transaction to set its value. We now have an artisanal approach, but it is part of the project aims to mobilize skills to have a systematic approach.


    In practice, and at current phase, we designed the overall structure of the project in order to reduce the risk of each actor. The aim is initially to take into account market risk.


    Practically, does this means that even owning his own "inventions", one must think of the interest of all to measure my final interest?


    Belonging to an ecosystem does not change the rules and constraints of the market. What offers the ecosystem allows you to estimate your interest.


    How is the "compensation"?


    There is not, strictly speaking, 'compensation system' initially, just a few simple rules that anyone can incorporate into its decision making process.


    For the medium term, we are working with a team that plans to develop such a system.


    What is your approach?


    We are working on next steps following the completion of a prototype and with the teams that will build this prototype, a need to develop a business plan, all with the ability to unfold everything into a project with a beginning and an end 


    Specifically what would be a prototype? It would be an organization, not a reactor?


    Both.


    About organization, LENR-Cities and Kresenn are the first two companies of the ecosystem. Kresenn is in charge of the "Reference Lab” within the ecosystem.


    You develop your partnerships. Early 2013 Kresenn joined your initiative, as LENR-Invest. What is the current situation with them, and are there other partners to date?


    We are in discussion with various stakeholders. We must establish the minimum network that may in turn trigger a network effect on the market. We must gather several key players, industry, scientists and investors.


    Concerning LENR-Invest is one of the allies with whom we have learned by prototyping an ecosystem.


    The news has been rather numerous on LENR during recent months. One feels excitement on the side of various stakeholders, especially American side. How do you see the coming months, including the European side?


    Any progress in the LENR field generates excitement ...


    LENR will address critical challenges such as energy and water. This is not idealism but lucid.


    European actors must mobilize. And I hope they will do in the coming months. We are part of.


    How do you see the LENR transition? How do you think companies will adapt to this energy?


    That companies can adapt is a central issue and in my opinion, one of the first obstacles to the development of LENR. The transition must be massive and every industry, every actor have to conduct its own transition. We need to find an answer on this point; An innovation as important as LENR itself. The development of the Internet shows that this can be done.


    Do you have a message for entrepreneurs, industrialists, and even politicians …


    LENR is an interdisciplinary field, including nuclear. Most of the pieces to break the LENR code exist. One must gather them, it's just obvious.


    To skeptics ?


    Nanotechnology show that organizing the material on this scale, new properties different from those of the base material is obtained. This is also true in the field of energy.


    LENR is not without dangers, but they are nothing compared to those we face.


    Thank you, and rendez-vous in May.


    Thank you
    See you soon.


    Note : Externality : an external effect on others, providing without monetary counterpart, benefit or harm.

  • The description of this "LENR cities" is not clear. Its purpose is not clear.


    Say, for example, I have a start-up company that is developing an LENR generator. Can this "LENR-cities" organization help me find venture capital? Or maybe it can help me find and recruit the appropriate talent (e.g. engineers, technical sales people, etc.). Perhaps it can help me identify potential customers (utilities, home builders, large industrial, etc.). Or (here's a biggie) it can help me navigate regulatory issues such as UL certification and the like.


    These are the kind of services/benefits that an organization like "LENR-cities" could offer that would be useful to me as an LENR entrepreneur/OEM. I think LENR-cities needs to clarify its mission statement and define what services it can offer to LENR OEMs/entrepreneurs who might have need of such services.

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    Good question. This is not my technology, so I try to understand too the main idea.


    It seems they will establish contracts with you and the others, that make you more comfortable to collaborate with the companies in the group... the established rules make you interested in cooperating. It seems to be the key "trick".


    Imagine that you are a scientists, looking for money and for project... you join the initiative by signing contracts ... another actor want to fund project... they sign contract... the result is that both feel more comfortable to work together, not afraid of awful risk (dunno how)... another company have applications, they will work with fund and with lab, more easily than outside, with less fear... not forced, but much more safe ... and another fund, lab, industrial came and join the party...


    It seems the key idea is that you reduce risk by entering the sandbox. you can compete, but it seems more safe to cooperate with the members...


    As far as I've heard the rules are quite simple today, and they are enough to reassure actors... It seems they only sell the "oil" and "grease", and the businesses enjoy the game.


    I think that we will understand better when we know who is among the partners... fund , industrialist, labs, start-ups, we will understand when we have the names.

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    It is there since march at least.


    their approach is better explained, and you clearly see their idea it to make investor, researcher and entrepreneurs work together.


    as far as I understand their key proposal is proposing a platform where you can be less afraid to work with others, because members have incentive to stay fair, and work with others on the platform...


    This month is quiet in France (maybe less in Switzerland, but I suspect there is French business in the story), and the "news in may" will probably be late...

  • Interesting concept sort of managed open sourcing of the technology through collaboration of specialists in multiple fields. I'd like to see a similar concept of implementation of LENR into existing infrastructure with an emphasis on energy intensive processes. I work in the water/wastewater field and see LENR changing how my industry designs and builds massive treatment systems. Many processes are very energy intensive and we spend huge resources on reducing energy usage in all areas. Id like to see discussion on how systems design will change with the introduction of vastly cheaper energy that LENR promises. Many exciting technologies are passed over because of high energy costs such as Reverse Osmosis just as an example.

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    LENR-Cities ideas are not the romantic opensource vision (each company stay owning it's IP), but neither it is jungle.
    I'm not much competent in business organization, but that seem to be tribe tamed business, family business...


    about the impact of cheap energy on unthinkable subjects there are many things to study, and sure even more we will never imagine.


    Desalination is a very famous application, but simply water pumping, and water cleaning may be more accessible to poor countries.


    take that technology od diamond electrodes for water treatment
    http://www.aquadiamante.com/en/facts.html
    A previous company (Adamant technologies, adamantec.com) get backrupt trying to find a market, despite the huge potential...


    Imagine you can sell a boiler-sized water-purifier which need no wire for the price of a moped, without any chemical or fuel to buy.


    who knows...

  • Hi Alain,


    Have you any insider news when you say "this month is quiet in France" and "News in May will be late"?


    In France, it may be not so quiet, since MFMP (Mathieu) has relaunched the Differential Celani Cells experiment: QuantumHeat and it could lead to interesting results.

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    I just talk of may as time to take vacations for many workers who have to empty their vacation "budget" until end of may, taking the advantage of many celebration days...


    LENR-cities said they may have something to say in May, and last news in April was that things were advancing well... but who knows what can pass in the mind of corporate executives, researchers and investors...


    I need to update

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