(not MFMP but) BG preparing some big announcement?

  • I do not know what to say....

    For one, the cavitation seems it could be simply ultrasonic. See about :35 on this simple video showing mixing with ultrasonics. One can see

    similar vortexes.

    On this video, at 1 minute in :

    a similar underwater plasma is seen.

    I am not sure what Mr. Greenyer is trying to convey on the videos. Although I was unable to listen to any audio at the present, perhaps there is important information contained in any audio?

  • There is now a second 'Red Pill' soundtrack on Soundcloud. These appear to be audio recordings of a presentation Bob made in India. Part two wanders into 9/11 conspiracy theory at around 40 minutes in. Apart from some discussion of Ken Shoulders theories, I'm afraid there is little in the rest of these vary good presentations on the current state of mostly 'wildcat' research that serious LENR topic researchers have not come across already. For example, the claim that you need to exclude oxygen from the reactor environment has been in the public domain for some time, it is not quite as new as Bob imagines. But never mind. Onward and upward.

  • If I may, since MFMP has been mentioned and then MFMP saying that it's independent effort is there a recent update from them on this? I did not see a sealed oxygen free reactor in any of the multiple videos, did someone else?

    There does not seem to be a controlled environment. After Rossi I am sure that this will be an uphill battle without more information. I can not understand why he is making these claims at this point in time. If there are MiB they are coming for your taxes, not to suppress technology. Heading down the classic conspiracy is not warranted and is not beneficial. It is plainly scaremongering.

    A simple question would be to film a self loop. Has this been tried? That is the smoke test if you really want to see some real spooks.

  • If CIA was in that affair :

    DIA would not have made any FOIA available report.

    NRL results would be invisible.

    Drone would be LENR.

    Jed would be in a locked room in Langey with McKubre, Miles, Storms, Miley, Letts beside...

    CEES and SKINR would not exist.

    There is only one clear conclusion to the crazy situation : they are stupid, or just protecting their own butt from their boss stupidity.

    I've talk with many french Scientists, or engineers having done LENR research... Their only problems was public stigma, not even business or strategic problems.

    APS and NyT decided that they could not do LENR research.

    BARC stopped despite good results, and despite conviction that US were just blocking strategic technology to India, because of the academic stigma.

    EDF, CIA, CNRS forbid to their workers to make any experiment, even at home (it failed because French disobey orders - habit of stupid orders - if french were obeying laws, country will collapse).

    Some say there was competition with business lines, but only concrete problem I've heard was fear of ridicule, and ... safety problems (It's nuclear ... paaaaniiiic).

    APS and NyT have more power than CIA. Fear have more power than greed. Fat cat don't hunt mouses.

    NB: I get informed that some people around ITER are interested in LENR, but sure not in public.

    I propose them to organize secret meeting with funny robes.


  • So Greenyer just pretended it? :/:?:

  • I've attempted to transcribe the me356 segment, here it is:

  • Conspiracy theories are a waste of time.

    They take the "facts" they want and follow the logic they want.

    They are asymmetric so that even if Rossi stood up in court and admitted it was all a fraud then some would say "Ah but he has been forced to say that, it is a conspiracy to cover up his Ecat", but if Darden visits the White House for a charity event, then of course it proves he is part of the conspiracy. No lose situation.

    So the only useful path is scientific data. Does BG have any new scientific data to back up his assertions? Any new research to bring to the table? If he cannot produce that then the rest is just a conspiracy theory.

  • Traveling a lot, jet lagged and admittedly tired. It's best for himself and his family if he rests and regroups. It will help clear his thoughts and he will do a better organizing and reporting on what he saw. This thread should move away from the MFMP title, to Redpill. Per Magicsound this does not represent MFMP, nor its working group.

    On the conspiracy stuff, only a very small part of NASA even remembers LENR. Other than a blurb from the administrator, the NASA centers operate independently as they have specialized functions. Very little overlap.

    Absolutely no one is aware at either the USPTO or NRC anything related to LENR on an administrative level. I am also very sure that what ever 'dark danger' is involved OSHA has never heard of LENR. Living in the DC area involves a lot of self-important people that sit for hours in miserable traffic. They go to work, come home and go to work again.

    And finally the government is staffed by normal people and mostly spends it's time on administration.

  • Dewey,

    Even though I am on your side with regards to the IH case vs. Rossi.

    Since this thread is about someone in MFMP not the Rossi case your comment is meeting an extremely low bar for a Southern Gentleman. Cryptic or not, it is plainly inconsiderate of his health. Just consider it. Or am I mistaken? Lets not talk past each other this time ok?

  • It seems Mathieu Valat is sad today... I think I understand why, but you surely understand better.


    Sad day for the MFMP.
    — Mathieu (@mateMathieu) 3 mars 2017


  • I can see why the nuclear powers would want to stop LENR. LENR is a prodigious generator of muons. It would be possible to place a satellite into orbit with a LENR source of muons that could be concentrated into a beam and projected onto the ascending warhead in the boost phase. The muon beam would catalyze fusion in the structure of the warhead as well as inside the plutonium pit itself. These muons would produce enough neutrons to prematurely start a chain reaction in the warhead thus exploding the warhead over the territory of the aggressor nation.

    Muons cannot be easily shielded at least by anything that can be boosted into space. LENR can produce the ultimate defensive nuclear weapon.

  • @dewey: "Rigel - such a presumptuous comment on your part but not to worry - it was not taken seriously or personally."

    Thanks Dewey. If someday something had caused you harm, I would make a similar comment to them also, and ask if I was mistaken.

    You speak like darmok and jalad @TARGET sometimes. Now you asked about me earlier what would you like to know, and where can I send it?

    Be specific please. You can ask anything you like.

    //since this is OT here please respond in the playground - thanks

  • This is a transcription of what Bob Greenyer also said in the (RedPill) | Breaking file on SoundCloud starting from minute 49:15. Is what's being hinted here part of the reason why he's acting this way?

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    Bob Greenyer: [...] and everything Rossi says is true. This is why Industrial Heat is trying to destroy the MFMP. Because everything else they can walk along, and give them a bit of money and say: "actually, you know: you're doing some great research, but why don't you do this and this?" - just what they've been trying to do to our researchers. And I know they're in the CIA, because other people have told me.

    Kenneth Shoulders worked at Stanford Research International for 11 years. With all the Michal McKubre and Edmund Storms... the only person he respects in the entire LENR community is Edmund Storms. Kenneth Shoulders, he says that in one of the videos.

    And then he went to work at - this where it got really weird for me - he went to work with Harold Puthoff and Stewart Little in Texas EarthTech. And everytime we've had a result at the MFMP, Marissa Little from EarthTech writes to us and says: "Oh, you saw a gamma pulse out from your Celani wire in 2013. Can we send you a... help you get a sodium iodide so we can see what the signal is?" and then we ran the reactor in Padua in ICCF19 and they say: "Oh, you've been running this Parkhomov fuel from Parkhomov? You've received from Parkhomov for 30 days... 15 days... can you send us some of the ash so we can analyze it?". And then I said I got an agreement with... what you call it... Vysotskii... calling over to do the biological transmutation for nuclear waste remediation - Cesium-137 etc. - And I know that the CIA want the technology. They've tried to get it. I spent 5 hours at ICCF20 speaking to someone... who was trying to first dissuade me the previous night and then trying to "nurture" me. But for Earthtech they just came out with "Oh, we can help you with that experiment". Oh, I bet you can! Cause I know he works with... you see how it's all connected? They are trying to destroy this every single day. And you know what? This is the coup de grâce, right here.


    Audience: But the point is, forgetting everything else, why haven't we succeeded building a succesful reactor [for LENR] ?

    Bob Greenyer: Because it's constantly being crushed.

    Audience: But you are... the...

    Bob Greenyer: I'm telling you where I got to in last couple of weeks. Everything I knew before then was/is a waste of time, which is why had to really fight these guys to tell you what the truth is. So, the coup de grâce is this. About this length on the table, Pons and Fleischmann... there's a guy and he sits down and he says: "Right, should we decide if cold fusion exists?" and he puts his hand up. "Anyone else wants to vote?" and they all kind of put their hand up apart from one guy. You know what? The same person that's trying to destroy Judy Wood's career? Is the same person who put his hand up, to destroy Pons and Fleischmann. So, the project I set up to clear the name of Pons and Fleischmann has now, has to clear Judy Wood.


  • Well looks like BG is insisting that we put him on that list. I was going to use pencil but have changed my mind.

    I hope he finds his marbles soonest. I don't think they are in India.

    You might like to reconsider this post, and allow people to draw their own conclusions, whatever they may be. Alan.