(not MFMP but) BG preparing some big announcement?

  • BG has made some big claims over the past year or so that haven't really matched the level of his hype. I am confused about whether BG speaks for MFMP anymore or is he solo now. We will see with this latest claim of a COP of 8. That would be well beyond any measurement error, and if the engineers in India are glad to open source it, the knowledge would be everywhere for replicators. Still, I take it all with a big grain of salt. I will believe it when multiple labs independently replicate what Bob has found.

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    Fuel held in place by Nickel foil formed into a plug in to which the needle point of the electrodes passes.


    It would explain, why the electrode gets dragged through reactor manually - the active material forms a thin layer on its surface.


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    Pure nickel foil made by plating from nickel sulphate onto steel using hydrogen plasma and ultrasonically de-laminating it.


    This is interesting process by itself. Why not common electroplating has been used?

  • Bob greenyer found indians willing to completely share their reactor design. Cop 8


    If the "ECCO Project" means that ECCO is involved, I would think it is more than worth our attention. If it is in honor of ECCO, well then, I am a bit less interested...unless he resurfaces and endorses.


    ECCO, the moniker, was instrumental in helping MFMP navigate it's learning curve. Very sharp individual. I came to trust that if he approved, and he had high standards...OCD like, it was something to take note of.


    ECCO posted a few times here on LF as I recall. Is he from India?

  • BG has made some big claims over the past year or so that haven't really matched the level of his hype. I am confused about whether BG speaks for MFMP anymore or is he solo now. We will see with this latest claim of a COP of 8. That would be well beyond any measurement error, and if the engineers in India are glad to open source it, the knowledge would be everywhere for replicators. Still, I take it all with a big grain of salt. I will believe it when multiple labs independently replicate what Bob has found.


    I've explained this before, but it bears repeating. MFMP is a collective of independent researchers. Our collaboration is based on a shared goal of performing LENR research as Live Open Science, and that is the full extent of our formal rules. There is no "official spokesman" of the group and no guarantee that we will agree with each others projects or statements. However, we do try to reach consensus on major projects, for which the group's modest resources can be made available.


    BobG is making his current proposal in that spirit, as just another member of the MFMP collective. Involvement of other individual members of the collective has yet to be decided, but you can be sure we will be discussing it intensely. It's a project that seems to have great potential towards the goal we share.

  • BobG is making his current proposal in that spirit, as just another member of the MFMP collective

    Love you guys. MFMP is all volunteer I know, save the planet like all here, but when you say BG is: " making his current proposal in that spirit", is it in the "redpill" spirit, or has he come down to earth? I say that respectfully, as I think we should all tolerate those so gifted their occasional straying from reality.


    If you guys are all onboard with this ECCO thing, then OK, that is something that I can pay attention to.

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    If you guys are all onboard with this ECCO thing, then OK


    IMO this type of fusion reactor could be replaced with plasma electrolysis, except that the cathode will be formed with ultrasound emitter. Once diluted solution of nickel sulfate will be used, then the nickel particles produced with electrolysis will be also utilized in fusion reaction. Except that the plasma fusion itself reportedly runs with even higher COP ~ 11, it's much simpler - and yet nobody of amateurs attempts for its replication it. Why to expect the amateur replication of plasma dust reactor, after then? It brings no advantage for me.


    Robert Greenyer also said, that there was COP ~ 8 with only 2-3% fluctuations over 3 months. IMO the COP couldn't be exactly 800±3% (such a rounded number is suspicious by itself), it wasn't measured during three months long period and it wasn't probably measured systematically at all. I just saw the electrode gets dragged through reactor manually - so I'd like to see the physical graphs of actual data before claims about 2-3% fluctuation over 3 months.

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    BobG is making his current proposal in that spirit, as just another member of the MFMP collective


    Robert Greenyer made all announcements at separated web sites (Steemit, Homosymbion.com ) and YouTube channels, but he asks for money for via Steem credit, both MFMP Donation page. A little suspicious thing - especially in the world of crowdfunding organizations. On the other hand, the ECCO is separate project, both personally, both experimentally independent of MFMP, until MFMP will not get engaged in its physical replication.

  • when you say BG is: " making his current proposal in that spirit", is it in the "redpill" spirit


    "Redpill" has nothing to do with MFMP and is a personal interest of BobG. Each of us has many different interests and passions, and it isn't always easy to keep them separate. But for the group to function as I described, we must keep our collaboration focused on the scientific practice of LENR research, while still allowing each of us the freedom of being individuals. It's a challenging path, but worth the effort in my experience.

  • Thanks Magic,


    Back in my ECNs day, I used to brag about BARC's achievements, and Andy Kumar, an Indian scientist, would tell me that my trust of their academic institutions was unfounded. I never forgot that. So now we have this ECCO thing, and yes..."it makes a lot of cups of tea" so we hear.

  • http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/gro…aramini-abstract14540.pdf


    If you take a look at the last graph titles defect concentration, the magnetic field is proportional to the defect concentration. This implies to me that all the muon/hydrogen based muonium are entangled is a superradiant like aggregation within a Bose condinsate of muonium which goes as the number of elements in the condinsate.


    This superradiant arrangement in a condinsate is common in LENR.


    Axil,

    I have to hand it to you reading the pdf.


    Is this quote the original work?

    "•No long range magnetism is developed in defective graphene" ? I would think that THH had to read this per his statement ... and he will brb. (chill Tom)


    Also we need to move the Papp thread to the playground. I think we are tiring the mods to the point that they are just celebrating St. Pats day a bit late.


    I do not see the background for this work in India explained, Is it just a demo, or some is there some more developed POC? I mean fully? Maybe I an just clicking on linky's and missing the background. Having a plasma reactor with cooling will not cut it any longer here without background. Some damn good people are here trying to help others understand. What is he demonstrating? And how is he doing it ? But specifically how is claiming that it is CF comes to mind.

  • .. I have to hand it to you reading the pdf.



    Muon behavior is quite complex. Muon live-time is a function of it's speed and polarization. A depolarized muon lives longer and that's the idea I think behind the measurement.


    The muon catching event is a two step process:


    1) The muon must have a low kinetic energy such that a H-field can bend and catch it. Thereafter the muon replaces an electron and emits Auger like photons. If you know the muon incident energy then you can calculate the expected spectrum.


    2) The second phase of the muon capture is the radial collapse, due to a nuclear-reaction between the muon and the nucleus. This second step only happens, if the muon lives long enough and enters a regular orbit.


    Now, if anybody believes that graphite will stop all muons, then this is bare nonsense. Slow muons are stopped by any material! These folks – writing the paper - use muons just to measure the magnetic field of the graphene defects.

  • Shane D. ,

    I thought you asked if the LENR poster ECCO was involved earlier.


    From ECW thread NOT-USER-ECCO Bob G. say's


    " When I was thinking of a name for this nameless reactor, I thought that

    ECCO (phonetically the same as Echo) would be very appropriate and it
    would honour one of the MFMPs most prodigious citizen crowd researchers."


    So the user ECCO is not associated if this is accurate.


  • Suhas Ralkar is 74 and an expert in ultrasonics for his entire working life it would seem. He leads the RubiItPower Company. Educated at West, returned to India & set up Ralsonics in1973 Over the Last Fortytwo Years Ralsonics has developed 38 RUBIIT (Ultrasonic) technologies and Manufactured Ultrasonic Eqpt for about 101 applications. One of them is Ultrasonic Plasma Processor (UPP) Technology For Processing And Industrial/Chemical/Manure Waste-Management. Recovery of Metals is achieved. There he started with the ECCO technology.

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  • "•No long range magnetism is developed in defective graphene" ?

    The referenced table in the document must have measured short range magnetic fields that would affect muons close to the surface of the graphene. No long range magnetism does not preclude the existence of short range magnetic effects as witnessed by the last chart in the document.

  • I remember that guy now. I said something about him a while back:


    Ultrasonic Fuel Treatment


    Always worth checking claims such as his out, and I can not think of a better group to do that than MFMP. Who else is ready on a whim to jump on the next plane out of town, with the internet savvy to rally support for the airfare and lodging, and the expertise to rapidly gauge the legitimacy of the claim when they get there, as them?


    They kind of remind me of the Ghost Busters. :)


  • 100% agree - that's why I donated 1k USD to them today :P Let's hope that it wasn't wasted and these reactors really work. But honestly I think even a "no it doesn't work" is still better than spending hundreds of hours theorizing about sth that in the end turns out to be just a waste of time and we actually do learn sth from every failure.

    TBH i have higher expectations with me356's reactor - simply because he didn't stumble on it "by accident" and has a more scientifical approach to the whole thing, but then again - who knows.

    And if it does work ... I am happy that I had the chance to make a contribution to maybe one of the most important inventions of mankind.

    I am curious and I think we have very exciting days and weeks ahead. Let's enjoy this together!

  • Hans,


    Love your enthusiasm. Mine was starting to wane just a bit, after my long addiction to this cursed thing after the "60 Minutes" CF segment, and you gave me a little boost. Thx.


    Good on you for your substantial MFMP donation too! I contributed at the beginning, but nothing like what you did. BG mentioned Carl Page (Brillouin Energy advisor) has so far contributed the bulk for this India trip, but I bet you came close to him. And $1,000 for someone in your financial position is huge.


    As BG also pointed out; if this comes to fruition due your commitment, you will have done more to "Save the Planet", than 99% of humanity.


    Take care.

  • bobeson , thank you. Not all of the posts in the range 236-245 were obviously related to Papp, and those that were not have been left in this thread. Please identify any that you feel obviously do not belong here if you disagree. There is no need for your post to be deleted, but you can delete it yourself if you wish.

  • Hans contribution has the exact same amount than Carl Pages. There is a detailed donor list on the MFMP site. Thanks Hans...mine was significantly smaller :-)


    This is by far the best shot for open LENR+ replication, validation and exploration. There was no better opportunity in the past and there will not be a better opportunity in the near future. So I think everyone hoping that LENR+ becomes reality should donate, even if it is a small amount.


    They estimate 8000$ for the validation and replication of Suhas ECCO reactor and 4000$ for me365s reactor. Tomorrow Suhas wanted to give a detailed cost estimation for the replication of his reactor + fuel preperation machine so the costs may vary. This is two shots at open LENR+ validation for 12000$. They want to test both reactors at the same time to save some travelling costs.


    Sidenote: As Zephir pointed out, the ECCO reactor is similar to the newinflow reactor (http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf) for which significant transmutation is reported. This could become pretty interesting.

  • Oh. Once a again such an intelligent comment. Self funded science is self funded - this is stating the obvious.


    And a brilliant idea written onto a napkin is worthless unless it is presented with 30 shiny power point slides and a PR departmend approved advertisment in national tv. If you don t have anything to say why do you comment?