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It may not seem like much but it's a harbinger of future development that may make things a lot easier. I think.

https://brilliantlightpower.co…ion-and-ignition-systems/

Well, highly efficient MHD plasma to electricity conversion might be something amazing and science fiction like for some, but for me is very old news and even many of the conversion difficulties and velocity issues mentioned in the paper that is linked in the ppt (which is the most interesting part of the ppt, but I had already downloaded a weeks ago) are known from the 1970s so I am hardly impressed by that aspect of the work. Of course It is a crafty and neat engineering lab gadget, no doubts, but the elephant in the room is how much energy does it consume to produce the plasma. I haven’t been able to gather that from the paper and without that key part of the data the work is not impressive. It is said in the introduction that the energy output of the plasma is 250 times the energy input to form it, and this is said as if would be a proven fact but that’s where lies the whole controversy, If this gadget is capable of that, there is no way to tell from the data provided.

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With the submerged Suncell in the water tank we could roughly deduce the energy output. But we weren't informed of the energy input, or the hydrogen gas input.

With this quartz container iteration, we don't know input and we don't know output. But with this incarnation it seems that water in ordinary air is being used for fuel, and the plasma environment is also just ordinary air. Given it is indeed producing excess energy, this is quite amazing.

How can you say that if you admit we are not given the data for supporting that affirmation?

MHD electricity conversion is a known topic, it was researched for direct heat to electricity conversion for many years, AFAIK its pursue was never stopped but it was deemed too strategic (it was even subject to secrecy of inventions act, and there’s no way to know if it still is) so probably was further researched under wraps and we won’t know easily. In that sense, this part of BLP’s research is interesting and one thinks it is a nice civilian rebirth of the seemingly abandoned MHD hot plasma to electricity research.

But MHD is not magic, it requires something producing the energy to accelerate the plasma to convert its kinetic energy to electricity. This is what we are not being told, what is the value of the energy input to create the plasma, and it is the more important part because, and there’s no way around telling this, because with an alleged COP of 250, you don’t need “frigging” MHD at all for generating an energy revolution.

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With the submerged Suncell in the water tank we could roughly deduce the energy output. But we weren't informed of the energy input, or the hydrogen gas input.

With this quartz container iteration, we don't know input and we don't know output

The numbers I have, are that a little went in, and a lot came out. Hope that helps.

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The numbers I have, are that a little went in, and a lot came out. Hope that helps.

Shane D. , that is very nice to hear, but we had many people saying the same about other system, even with “independent reports” and a COP 60, and we all know how that “ended”. Now I am not accusing BLP of fakery, but without them being able or willing to produce the only piece of information that might help one get behind them, I can hardly be able to keep interested or recommend others to keep interested in this research. Mind that I have been reading similar claims from BLP for over 16 years, so you have to understand my lack of enthusiasm.

Seriously. BLP has always relied on investor money to stay afloat. With the money comes restrictions. They do not have the luxury of playing open science, so that everyone can copy them. Under the circumstances, it would be understandable if they were to remain totally silent. Instead, to their credit, they have gone through the effort of publishing their many validations over the years.

And I dare any of you to commission as many independent studies of your experiment, or pet theory, as BLP, and have all, if not most conclude the theory and results are legitimate. Or maintain a highly experienced team for years...all of whom could easily get another job at better salary elsewhere, while peddling a fake science, and fake technology.

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Seriously. BLP has always relied on investor money to stay afloat. With the money comes restrictions. They do not have the luxury of playing open science, so that everyone can copy them. Under the circumstances, it would be understandable if they were to remain totally silent. Instead, to their credit, they have gone through the effort of publishing their many validations over the years.

And I dare any of you to commission as many independent studies of your experiment, or pet theory, as BLP, and have all, if not most conclude the theory and results are legitimate. Or maintain a highly experienced team for years...all of whom could easily get another job at better salary elsewhere, while peddling a fake science, and fake technology.

All very sensible arguments, I reckon once again,?and I have said this some times already, I am hoping them the best, but let me know when we can all get our watts from a suncell and I will get to work for it’s wide acceptance. Meanwhile all I can do is wish them the best as what they are allowed to say to us, is all very interesting, but also inconclusive.

Quote from Mark U

It may not seem like much but it's a harbinger of future development that may make things a lot easier. I think.

https://brilliantlightpower.co…ion-and-ignition-systems/

You forgot to mention this was a brand new (Sept. 20) video. The last one came out yesterday (19th), so they are pumping them out at a fast rate now:

FIRST TRIAL OF SUNCELL® WITH 60 HZ INDUCTION IGNITION SYSTEM

A slanted-electrodes, photovoltaic-window design SunCell^® with one electromagnetic pump injector electrode and a pedestal counter electrode with a connecting jumper cable between them. The molten metal injector comprising an DC-type electromagnetic pump, pumped a Galinstan stream that connected with the pedestal counter electrode to close a current loop comprising the stream, the EM pump reservoir, and the jumper cable connected at each end to the corresponding electrode bus bar and passing through a 60 Hz transformer primary. The loop served as a shorted secondary to the 60 Hz transformer primary. The induced current in the secondary maintained a plasma in atmospheric air comprising some water vapor at low power consumption

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@Director I appreciate you think the world needs clean energy, and it does. But this is off-base and unfair - and needs to be corrected.

There are people on this board who bash (either openly or passively) Mills - but that's because they don't understand him or his work - I can pull up the quotes - and you are the LENR group - so open minded. What about the wider scientific community? I see the same thing as Galileo here - virtual house arrest. He is 9 miles from Princeton, think about how many invited talks he has given here. THAT IS A TRAVESTY.

If he did not discover a new way of looking at atomic theory (published 1990s) all of science would have been left in the dark for maybe another 100 years. You just don't realize how right he is yet. Forget energy GUTCP was a massive contribution to physics and chemistry likes of which we have not seen in a long, long, time. Is it the final and complete theory, time will tell.

BLP has been FAR TOO open about its efforts. If they were to release more data it will show excess energy, duh, how is that going to HELP the world? If they provide more details on the experiments and how to reproduce them, that would actually be absolutely inacceptable in any corporation and a reason to fire the CEO. They are skating a thin line. How many of the design plans of iPHone 1.0 did Steve Jobs release in October 2016? Dr. Mills would be fired from Apple for being way too transparent. See how one's perspective can completely shift any issue? My perspective, he has already made contributions to science in an open manner the likes of which occur once every hundred years. The rest is commercial business.

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As I say, I hope him the best. Please do tell me when a suncell is available for leasing and I will badger my electric company to go lease one.

@Director are you serious about majority of people could be convinced by scientific data when so many people can't even calculate sales tax?

If somebody like Drake twitts that he embraces GUTCP it will have larger impact than dozen Mills lectures at Princeton.

This is a much more complex issue. On general terms and much beyond the acceptance of any particular theory and its potential applications, I think that convincing the majority is a moot point, we need to convince policy makers, and more than that, the people who policy makers pay attention to for making their decisions, who normally are or go by formally academically recognized and laureate experts opinions. In the case of Mills, those opinions are generally dismissive if not plain antagonic.

Then there’s the not easy to aboard and hairy issue of the vested interests. There are laureate and expert opinions that are and will continue to be ignored because they are against existing interests. One Can wildly speculate if this is the case in general against the acceptance of energy scarcity paradigm challenging theories as Mills’s and others’s. But then we land in conspiralandia and that is a subject we do not encourage in LENR-forum and has a dedicated place for being discussed (“the playground” thread).