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There was never a single experiment that did prove a Hydrino state. The H*-H* bond is a weak nuclear bond and does not involve the potential. It can be exactly calculated by SO(4) physics. Mills "model" is > 1% off.

What better fits Mills model is the angular resonance because this first order is given by the potential equivalence radius and the orbiting mass. The delta mass here occurs at the 4th digit and so the absolute error is smaller.

For a deeper understanding of dense Hydrogen you should also look into Holmlids work. Dense Hydrogen can form much larger clusters than just H*-H*.

Self deception is the basic sin of science.

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This is wrong. What he did detect is H*-H* a dense hydrogen molecule. This has first been found by R.Santilli more than 10 years earlier. But he could not measure it properly because he made the same error as Mills claiming it to be a single dense Hydrogen...

Where did this terminology H*-H* come from? How does it differ from Hydrinos, or Holmlid's H(0)? Having too many pet terminologies confuses the matter. Call it one thing then figure out what it is. Unless they all really exist seperately, which I doubt.

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Having too many pet terminologies confuses the matter. Call it one thing then figure out what it is. Unless

That would require something like a Pugwash conference. Also, some of the individuals who do not [post here and using this or that 'pet' name might consider is to be part of their IP<

From now on, all forms of hydrogen either denser or lower than the ground state will be called:

!Hpfd

It exists some people as Wyttenbach who invented a language especially to them and understandable only by them..

My dear friend i will try to help you.

Most of knowledges say it exists neutron, proton in the nuclei center surrrounded by lower objects as electrons.

Now, if you consider a proton added by a electron as an elliptic and deformated neutron all become more clear.

Now if you consider a single hydrogen meaning only a proton and its electron so as i explained an elliptic object, you could imagine all different shapes from the initlal elliptic up to the perfect circular proton + electron ( becoming a neutron).

Now the question is how quantum physics will give laws to stabilize these lower states of hydrogen if exist ?

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From now on, all forms of hydrogen either denser or lower than the ground state will be called:

!Hpfd

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From now on, all forms of hydrogen either denser or lower than the ground state will be called:

!Hpfd

Don't forget to register it as a trademark!

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Now the question is how quantum physics will give laws to stabilize these lower states of hydrogen if exist ?

This is a common misunderstanding of physics. QM cannot give laws as QM is built upon laws. The limit of these are old incomplete laws QM uses are clear. There is the Bohr potential and a radial decay of a force.

Physics is defined = given by force laws, that define the possible actions. As said QM cannot add anything to these basic laws. Among these classic laws the Bohr point is a saddle point and there is just one stable solution.

Deep orbits are a fantasy based on math that neglects the basic laws of physics by just putting them aside...

As the magnetic forces are missing in QM we can also conclude that QM is an engineering model only and not basic physics at all.

So the only thing that makes sense with QM like theories is the discussion how well these fit a specific experiment.

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.. I understand it and I understand it in such a way that it does not matter to free electrons what material it is in - a file, ceramics, glass, a human hand, an electric wire made of copper or aluminum, polyvinyl chloride wire braid or something else... They perform their function - they pump the mass of ether or photon mass into the "kacher" with the Tesla coil... What do you think about it?

A little mentioned reality of the standard model is there are two states of the electron when it is traveling between anions. One has few photon and electron-positron pair interactions, the basis of common electron in electrical current. The other called a bare electron has many photon and electron-positron pair interactions. The term bare electron is used to indicate these extra interactions are part of that type of electron.

For example, Tesla could create two different kinds of electric arcs. One was dominantly blue and the other was a gray white. It was and still is common knowledge that if you put yourself in a common electric arc (blue), it will do serious damage. However, Tesla in his public demonstrations would put himself in his gray white arc with no harm. The behavior of these states of the electron are different with difference arrangements of materials. Tesla presented this difference with a large U shaped piece of metal and some lights. If lights are attached between the upright section of the U shaped metal very little of the common electric current will take the path through the light because of its high resistance compared to the U shaped metal. But the ether based current as Tesla called (that that will produce a gray white arc) travels through the lights. See chapter one Nicola Tesla and Radiant Energy in # M-T # VASSILATOS - Secrets of Cold War Technology.pdf | DocDroid So it seems you are on the right track about the ether.

You claim, "If you do not understand this simple experiment, if you do not understand that the so-called "electric current" is nothing more than the "transportation" of the "ethereal" mass by electrons, then you will never understand the physics of LENR and the topic related to BLP." You see some new physics. I see than you don't accept that there are two types of electrons based on their Feynman diagrams and based on Tesla's demonstrations.

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Where did this terminology H*-H* come from? How does it differ from Hydrinos, or Holmlid's H(0)? Having too many pet terminologies confuses the matter. Call it one thing then figure out what it is. Unless they all really exist seperately, which I doubt.

One dense hydrogen molecule state.

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From now on, all forms of hydrogen either denser or lower than the ground state will be called:

!Hpfd

Are you sure? I think it's ?Hpfd !

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How does it differ from Hydrinos

Mills predicts a whole family of shrunken hydrino atoms which should produce distinctive spectra

but exptal detection of hydrino atoms is sparse

Mills says these atoms can combine to form molecules,,,DiHYDRINOs

the species most often detected in BLP expts is a shrunken dihydrino h2.(1/4)

but whether they are shrunken/dense is not exptally determined AFAIK

the problem is ...where are the other hydrinos,,, dihydrinos

h2(1/4) shows up .. perhaps...as ~490 eV in spectroscopy

However h2(1/2) ..h2(1/3)

shouldn't they show up with 96ev, 259 eV?

is there another constraint on stability that Mills doesn't know..?

I am sure that Mills is wondering this too..

The truth is somewhere .. near to Mills and Holmlid..

but near is not necessarily close...in 4D..

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The truth is somewhere .. near to Mills and Holmlid..

but near is not necessarily close...in 4D..

Not so. All weak isospin states require energy above the ground state. A neutron has more mass than a proton. A denser state of Hydrogen requires a weak isospin energy. The density of state is predicted by its quantum level. The higher the quantum number, the greater the dilation of time and contraction of space. It is fusion/fission which generates energy which energy can emerge at wavelengths specific for the weak-isospins states. These spectra are wrongly attributed to energy production of hydinos. Further, some of fusion/fission energy from cold fusion can be preserved in weak-isospin and then much later be recovered from reaction of the weak-isospin states. It called after-heat in the cold fusion literature. It has been seen in ultrasound experiment. Further, it has been demonstrated by burning the Aquafuel which because of stored energy in weak isospin produces heat/torque of 44.5 KJ of energy per gram but based on its chemical fuel composition has a calculated value of only 13.3 KJ of energy per gram. So, this extra energy due an engine test likely is due to the nuclear transformation where the nuclear energy goes to the production of fuel. Which fuel has quantum states are above the ground state.

I have shown by kinetic modeling that weak isospin fuel energy is released by collision based mechanism, since the form of kinetic equation is the same as for other fuels which produce energy by a collision based mechanism.

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A denser state of Hydrogen requires a weak isospin energy.

So Mills 496 eV is weak isospin energy? Is there a calculation for this?

Its not much of peak...is it noise?

https://www.brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/4th-Quarter-Analytical-Presentation-120718.pdf

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There was never a single experiment that did prove a Hydrino state.

20 methods, no, 22 methods. Too many to list here. All kinds of spectroscopy, EPR, etc.

Maybe we review gas chromatography, from its early days, when it was used to detect, evaluate H and it's isotopes (D, T) in molecules (eg. H2, HD, HT, D2, T2)? Then I show the chromatographic results with Hydrino in the 'stream' next. The Hydrino out-races (in terms of speed of propagation) ALL other gases through the 'molecular sieve' on account of its small size.

Seminal work by James King Jr. circa 1963 in the isolation of Hydrogen isotopes:

"THE CHROMATOGRAPHIC SEPARATION OF THE HYDROGEN ISOTOPES INCLUDING TRITIUM"

The peaks King detected are in Figure 1 below.

The peaks Mills shows for his gas chromatography:

Close-up view:

Note: The Retention Time scales vary between Mills and King on account of the 'column' (molecular sieve) used for the gas separation column.

References:

(1) THE CHROMATOGRAPHIC SEPARATION OF THE HYDROGEN ISOTOPES INCLUDING TRITIUM

James King Jr.

Cite this: J. Phys. Chem. 1963, 67, 6, 1397

Publication Date:June 1, 1963

https://doi.org/10.1021/j100800a532

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j100800a532

Image of the one page notice (with data plot) can be found at above link.

(2) Gas Chromatographic Isolation and Identification of Hydrino Gas Produced by the SunCell®

Randell Mills et al

Gas Chromatographic Isolation and Identification of Hydrino Gas Produced by the SunCell® | Brilliant Light Power

Presentation (powerpoint): https://brilliantlightpower.co…_Presentation_030119.pptx

(3) High school kids do gas chromatography: "Hydrogen Isotope Separation Using Gas Chromatography"

https://www.lle.rochester.edu/media/publications/high_school_reports/documents/hs_reports/2012/Jo.pdf

Abstract

A gas chromatograph (GC) system was commissioned to measure hydrogen isotope species. ...

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20 methods, no, 22 methods. Too many to list here. All kinds of spectroscopy, EPR, etc.

You still mix up the Hydrino fake with H*-H* or Santillis magnetic hydrogen...

We know just one form of dense Hydrogen (H*-H*) and this is far from any Hydrino states.

What about the other claimed fraction 1/x? to prove a theory you have to show at least a few of them.

Mills in fact did a great job with isolating H*-H* but a very poor job with modelling it.

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The Hydrino out-races

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What about the other claimed fraction 1/x

Only the "dihydrino H2(1/4)" out-races...

What happened to the many other dihydrinos .. H2(1/2) H2(1/3) H2(1/5)..........

and the hydrinos... H(1/2) ........H(1/137)

were they nonstarters? perhaps GUTCP is hitched to just one quarter horse?

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Only the "dihydrino H2(1/4)" out-races...

What happened to the many other dihydrinos .. H2(1/2) H2(1/3) H2(1/5)..........

and the hydrinos... H(1/2) ........H(1/137)

were they nonstarters? perhaps GUTCP is hitched to just one quarter horse?

Robert, what is your theory about these other missing hydrino states? Is your idea that Mills hydrino theory is wrong or that there is some other explanation? Did Mills ever comment? I asked him a question by email long ago and he did answer. I might try again as this question has been bothering me.

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what is your theory about these other missing hydrino states?

I have no theory about hydrino,,,or 490 eV

Why hasn't Mills explained where the many missing horses on his team are?

Is it bad for business?

If there is no explanation then all he has is one dense hydrogen with

maybe a 491 ev formation energy from H2... but then

the calculations for 491 eV are based on his theory..

maybe he just got lucky,,the 490 eV measurement is true..

but the calculation is wrong..

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I have no theory about hydrino,,,or 490 eV

Why hasn't Mills explained where the many missing horses on his team are?

Is it bad for business?

If there is no explanation then all he has is one dense hydrogen with

maybe a 491 ev formation energy from H2... but then

the calculations for 491 eV are based on his theory..

maybe he just got lucky,,the 490 eV measurement is true..

but the calculation is wrong..

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Maybe the answer is right because the math was right, to a point, and then wrong. 1/4th is the sweet spot. The projection that it would continue to condense to 1/100 etc.. and that the state is stable without a bond atom is where there is no proof. Weak nuclear bond stuff is the important point, seams as though there is a "Lagrange point" one specific orbit with just hydrogen atoms. Unless you are talking about the lovely colorful metals right of the alkali bunch on the periodic table, they bond with hydrogen at increasing energies (keV).

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I have no theory about hydrino,,,or 490 eV

Why hasn't Mills explained where the many missing horses on his team are?

Is it bad for business?

We know that already the Bohr model is a first order approximation only. But Mills "hydrino" extension is by no mean serious at all.. Nothing added for the change in reduced mass, the change of the metric due to higher speed, change of magnetic energy due to shorter radius.

Such a model is only good for fooling dumb investors.