Pitiful Alan - I would like to point out that you have no idea what you are talking about which is business as usual.
I'm looking forward to the day when you come face to face with truth. I am hoping that you'll be able to recognize it
but suspect that your bitterness and the smallness of your position may result in that not even being a near miss.
Hoping for the best though.
Thank you for your good wishes. Do I take it that is a denial that you are following the usual capitalist model and that I am entirely mistaken about IH mostly wanting to make as much money as possible from LENR? As for 'bitter', not a jot.
Alan - thank you for further solidifying our understanding of you and your position. You continue to underwhelm - did I deny anything?????
The commitment and ability to apply capital at the edge of the Frontier requires new models.
I choose to leave you simmering in your present state of being.
@Bob: this site has been changing recently, and not for the better. I appears as though it is headed in the direction of being just an echo chamber for a specific set of opinions. It is not an issue of behavior - that is abundantly obvious. It is a matter of what team you are on. Unfortunate, but if that's what the proprietors want, that's what it will be.
Certainly, censorship of polite and reasonable contributors is not a good sign. Continuing in that direction will make the site more and more like e-catworld.com, and Sifferkol and Lewan's useless self-praising censored forums/blogs.
Rossi has already frauded 11.5 MILLION dollars that could have went to valid researchers such as Bob Higgins. This is why we should care. Also, when people start turning a blind eye to crime and immoral behavior, we all lose at some point in the future!
You and the others always forget about the additional 5 mio. for AEG (Amperego..)...
Bob HIggins took IH money. Now he no longer does open research. That's what IH does: Collect the flowers of the desert field --> back to desert.
If you pay 16.5 mio. it is certainly not to support the field. Only if you don't understand capitalism you can argument that way.
Bob HIggins took IH money. Now he no longer does open research.
Incorrect. He reported at ICCF21 in more detail than I have seen from him before.
It takes a long time for ICCF proceedings to be published, so you may be unaware of this. That's not I.H.'s fault.
[That is incorrect. They have also supported a lot of open research, and much of it was reported at ICCF21.]
Pleased to hear it. Not what I hear though.
What is that supposed to mean? Read the abstracts, watch the videos, and see for yourself.
What did you "hear"? That they did not deliver the presentations shown in the videos?
Wyttenbach - what is wrong with accepting money to fund deeper research? How else do you think this is going to happen? Is anybody else showing up with funds that enable a broad exploration? The open projects are admirable and noble but have less support and progress than folks anticipated. Why is that? It is not because of the people - most were smart, honest and hard-working. One of the reasons was the lack of resources. Are you blaming IH for picking up the some of the pieces and enabling folks to stay in the hunt? Bob didn't need any money - he is a successful and principled engineering Fellow who had retired to pursue his interests and enjoy life with his family. He has joined us because of our commitment to pushing the research and science thru to professional validation / verification. If we succeed there then applied engineering will follow. That should be a joyous day for all on planet earth, even those who will eventually be displaced by fielded LENR systems.
Wyttenbach - what is wrong with accepting money to fund deeper research?
Nothing wrong! I honor what you do - risking your money!
The problems are the trolls, that want make us believe that this is classic research in favor of (open) science.
Nevertheless you should find a balance between risk protection and "open" discussion of findings. The field can only progress if we do some coordinate approach, that of course should protect your investments! I personally did uncover the new theory albeit I could retain everything for private investigations. But I do not say that I wrote down everything I know and found...
Perhaps you could educate me on what is "known".
Now I know that Bob is more eloquent than I thought
Using the same old bad Rossi ploy to justify anything.
How many grassroot projects did car mech E Bob work on
And what was he paid and what was the budget for these grass roots projects
and did they take one year , two years or ten years.
And how many worked in the Bob Team?
Btw. I love the new 2018 Subaru Impreza,
Bob should buy one too. Maybe a Forester
Any hidden design problems ?
Display MoreI am sorry Alan, but you and IHFB are one and alike. A trait that for some reason is high on my pet peeve list... hypocrisy.
IHFB says he is unbiased and you state "failure to condemn" is not support. IHFB's and your posts clearly state otherwise and this is simply BS.
It is true you NEVER condemn Rossi. Not for lying about customers, "salting" test samples" and much worse over 11 years of fraud. No you do not condemn or hold him responsible for anything, even when proven seriously wrong. Yet you often throw "shade" on IH and NEVER say anything POSITIVE about them even though they are supporting TRUE researchers with serious funding. These true researchers are happy with IH. Only crooks like Rossi, who when caught, call them snakes and clowns.
NO, your posts clearly state you support Rossi and condemn IH. This is fine, just admit it. Do not be like IHFB and be hypocritical. Man up to your true position. Most people can respect a person if they are upfront and engage with integrity. However, the "Unbiased One" and now "The one who does not condemn" are simply being hypocritical and statements otherwise are complete BS, as proven by their own posts.
Hiding under the "failure to condemn" when refusing to give an assessment of a clearly sham demo, when promising a detailed report prior to attending clearly shows that you cannot be trusted to give unbiased or complete information. This damages your credibility, event to the extent of the "Atom Ecology" drama. This is most unfortunate.
No you owe me nothing, but you do owe yourself better.
So sad but this is true and has been for a long t..... all Rossi supporters cannot defend Rossi on his merit, his work, his statements or anything as such. So they therefore simply attack and try to discredit Rossi's opponents. They cannot defend Rossi by any working product, positive data, demos, customers etc. So they resort to arguing heat exchangers, missing windows, pages on "possible backout offers", conspiracy theories and worse. Not one iota of actual positive proof can be made, so they attack others.
I am afraid this same pattern has started with the Atom Ecology drama. Big claims, no data. Secret people visiting, yet almost a year later no revelation. Principal party lashing out with unprofessional vigor. We are coming up to the 1 year anniversary and yet nothing more is known than day one. Not promising, unfortunate.
By the way..... somethings CLEARLY SHOULD be condemned. You seem to have to problem casting shade on IH for unknown and unproven allegations yet on absolutely proven and known fraud from Rossi, not a word. That by default is support and not confusing at all!
Why the heck does such a comment end up in the „clearance items“?
Off topic.
The commitment and ability to apply capital at the edge of the Frontier requires new models.
I agree and I have said so myself. However, sometimes it looks like the old model with a 2-tone paint job, which is not quite the same thing. Can you tell us anything about the progress of your funded research?
Wyttenbach - we encouraged the researchers and scientist associated with our efforts to present anything they wanted to present at ICCF21.
I thought it was an effective sharing. We plan to continue that approach.
Alan - we plan to update at the next ICCF.
QuoteAre you blaming IH for picking up the some of the pieces and enabling folks to stay in the hunt?
No, it's a terrific idea. I just hope IH's future projects and participants will be vastly better and more carefully and precisely vetted than Rossi was. I am not convinced that they will. Of course, there is not a lot of information so far.
QuoteWyttenbach - we encouraged the researchers and scientist associated with our efforts to present anything they wanted to present at ICCF21.
I thought it was an effective sharing. We plan to continue that approach.
Alan - we plan to update at the next ICCF.
Dewey Weaver : Why not do like the Gates Foundation does? Have a web page listing the projects, the level of funding for each, a synopsis of the reasoning explaining why the project was funded and a report of results thus far?
Why not do like the Gates Foundation does
As long as SOT supplies the expertise and funding
Alan - we plan to update at the next ICCF.
See you there= you can buy me that drink. I bought the last one.
Bob has been suspended for 2 weeks,
There are other people who deserve such a move....sad.
