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    Quote from Forty-Two

    You know, one must always talk nice about LENR researchers!
    Never critisize their work, no matter how many years a researcher repeated again and again the same claims of "excess heat" - but nobody else can replicate.


    Surely you do not place criticizing a LENR researcher's work in the same category as saying that his or her behavior is like that of a fraud? It is important to keep in mind the central issue being discussed here. It's not about critiquing the work of researchers being problematic, or about extreme skepticism of their claims being a bad thing, etc. It's about using terms like "fraud" too loosely. Surely this issue resonates even with some of a skeptical frame of mind?

    Quote from Eric Walker

    Surely you place criticizing a LENR researcher's work in the same category as saying that his or her behavior is like that of a fraud? It is important to keep in mind the central issue being discussed here. It's not about critiquing the work of researchers being problematic, or about extreme skepticism of their claims being a bad thing, etc. It's about using terms like "fraud" too loosely. Surely this issue resonates even with some of a skeptical frame of mind?


    I agree Eric, it is quite clearly improper to call scientists, however continually misguided, frauds, as long as they are honest. Nearly all scientists are this.


    There is a progression here, where scientists can be associated with over-optimistic companies claiming to want to commercialise what is clear vapourware. Those scientists are unlikely to be frauds either. Even the companies are unlikely to be fraudulent - but that possibility must remain on the cards. Personally, I don't see much room for genuine commercial development until the science is proven real (which, again personally, I doubt it will be). It is unwise to seek commerical gains when they are so far from being clear.


    The issue is not so much whether the people involved are hopelessly over-optimistic, and have bad judgment. It is whether they deliberately deceive. That would not be true of nearly all these LENR claims. It would be true of Rossi. I'm not quite certain whether it would be true of BLP - though I'd guess not.


    MY does not see much room for honest mistake when it goes with a 20 year struggle as in BLP. I think MY also sees some other evidence as indicating deception from BLP which I would not. Or maybe she just reckons any company that can waste people's time and money for so long is a bad idea.

    I actually approve of IH's apparent approach re commercialisation. Back what seem to be the best bets. Get IP protection where possible. Do rigorous testing to see what might be real. Have a long timescale. They are ideal LENR backers, if they are still able to do this after the Rossi debacle.


    So, if there is anything commercial in LENR, I see IH as being the best hope of sniffing it out. And that is very different from the many vapourware companies.

    • Official Post

    It is funny to hear people who accuse experiments like Miles, Storms, McKubre, of no replication while there is hundreds of replication in peer reviewed papers... beside regular replication by ENEA , SKINR, NRL, and Storms.


    of course no replication exist for oneself if one say there is none that exist.


    as said the scientistwhose paper should have been rejected for error if Nature was doing their job,no lab with a decent football team have replicated cold fusion...


    not even sure it is true, this guy have a problem with facts that dissent with his opinion, and even more with his ego.

    Quote from woodworker

    I must say that I truly admire your grasp of legal concepts, legal procedure, legal transactional issues, etc. In case it is not clear, that was sarcasm.

    And allow me to say that you show the level bullshit and meanspiritedness that I have come to expect from lawyers, affirming once again that y'all have such a lousy reputation.


    edit:

    And you completely missed that Penon gave his deposition, which a was significant oversight in your introduction to this group. How's that for grasping legal issues, lawyer man? By all means, publish again the Law Firm you represent so we can all know who to avoid if we need legal assistance.


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread. Eric

    Quote from woodworker

    Well, in just a few weeks we will all be able to evaluate the accuracy of our legal predictions. I am a betting man, are you? I will be happy to send a $10,000 (US Dollars) cashier's check to the administrator of this site, by delivery this Friday, betting that IH wins on the principal complaint (as I have previously said, I have no predictions on the counter-claim). Are you willing to match? Winner take all? Also, any other takes, IHFB, et al? I will happily consider upping the ante. All bets to be in by close of business next Monday (June 25, 2017).

    I regularly bet at PredictIt.org. I get great odds and I know I'll get paid. And I don't have lawyers putting words in my mouth that weren't there in the first place. With a bitch like you and how you talk, I should expect to get 25:1 odds. You willing?


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread. Eric

    Quote from oldguy

    He (WW) can post his information himself and has done so. Check the forum and try to stay up.


    However, you asking for such information from someone here is doxing and grounds to have you banded from the forum.

    If pointing out that someone has " shown the level of bullshit and meanspiritedness that I have come to expect from lawyers" is considered doxing then this forum isn't what I thought it was. And I didn't ask him for any information, I simply commented on what a jerk he seems to be, after he keyed up on me. He's the lawyer who didn't grasp some legal thingie, I'm not. So who is he to criticize me about grasping legal issues when his grasp is so weak?


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread. Eric

    Quote from woodworker

    You seem so confident and yet you want odds? To quote the orange haired shi*-gibbon in the White House, Sad. Sorry, straight even.

    You're the one who demonstrated confidence, lawyer man. I posted up thread that I'm still trying to figure Rossi out. You obviously didn't read that post either. You ain't much of a lawyer. Give me those odds or STFU.


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread. Eric

    Since you like taking up lawyers on their bullshit, you should take up your own bullshit. Only one of your examples was science, and it's not like Shockley conned many people over vitamin C. In fact I would suggest you made yet another mistake there and intended to say Linus Pauling. Way to go, lawyer boy.


    By bringing in invalid analogies, especially by your ridiculous political stance, you are attempting to obfuscate. Typical lawyer move. Please, by all means, tell us your former law firm so that we can all go out of our way to avoid it.


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread. Eric

    Quote from woodworker

    Please explain this: "especially by your ridiculous political stance, you are attempting to obfuscate." Are you suggesting that I am attempting to obfuscate my opinions, political or otherwise? I thought I was pretty open open them. Or are you suggesting that being a liberal progressive Democrat is a ridiculous political stance?

    By bringing in irrelevant bullshit political stuff and invalid analogies, you are trying to obfuscate. And lookie here, you do it again by continuing down that obfuscation path of talking about your ridiculous political position as if Hillary isn't one of the best examples of a political con artist in a whole generation. Maybe you can get a proper response from her if you ask her to email it to you. That is, if she doesn't delete that email as well. Oh, I know, since we're talking about nuclear energy, ask her how she sold 20% of our nuclear stockpile to Russia while she was SoS. At least my example kinda-sorta touches on nuclear stuff.


    Geez, you must have been a really bad lawyer. Please let us know who your former law firm was, so... you know... as proud as you are about your work... we can respond appropriately when we need legal assistance.


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread. Eric

    Quote from woodworker

    That more than explains your legal acumen. As to the nickel check, with the ability to deposit it by scanning it with my cell phone, why not.

    Your responses, on the other hand, do not explain anything about your legal acumen other than you were a crappy lawyer.


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread. Eric

    The fact that you backed "crooked Hillary" speaks volumes.


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread. Eric


    Alan, of course I've read papers Jed recommended and skimmed many more than I read. I found them difficult. Whose moronic idea was it that I do not read papers? What I said many times is that I no longer read papers reporting minute amounts of excess heat production or papers written vaguely and badly, as most LENR papers are.


    LENR papers seem to be written only for specialists. It is often unclear what normalized units mean when they are used for graphs. Data charts are often small and blurry. Materials and methods are poorly described. There is rampant use of so-called isoperibolic calorimetry without proper description of the calorimetry and proper calibration. isoperibolic calorimeters are a terrible way to measure heat production. And replication is almost always lacking -- someone else does an entirely different experiment. I once found an interesting paper which seemed to show high heat for sustained periods but I misplaced the reference and when I asked Jed about it (it came from him originally) he declined to help me find it. Anyway, like most of the work I am referred to, it was a decade old and had never been redone or further developed.


    That same critique applies to the experiment descriptions (I'd hardly call those documents "papers") which you linked. Those were in 2003 and 2012. Where are the replications, improvements and practical applications that were promised then?

    Quote from Alan Smith

    Yes indeed. No politics, no religion, and no pornography.

    I see you're listed as a moderator. Why is it that I have been threatened with 2 weeks of timeout for "aggressive, contentless posts" when it was WW who is always first to insult and brought politics into it as part of his obfuscation?


    And who are the moderators if it's not part of their title?


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread. Eric

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