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    Alan Smith ,

    It is a pretty basic device, but the price point is great for the temperature range.


    Importantly, it can calculate temperatures as high as 1600 C, which is handy for basic emissivity tests. I find that the software in most IR thermometers limits the upper temperatures reported to the maximum of their rating. (ie, the Optris software only calculates temperatures as high as 1507 C with the 1500 C camera option).


    A device incapable of reporting as high as 1410 C of course will be of no use in testing (at least qualitatively) whether the correct emissivity user setting for a LWIR thermometer or camera when measuring a roughly 800 C alumina object is closer to, for example, 0.4 or to 0.95

    Quote from Alan Smith

    I agree about price btw, there is nothing close to it, took me a lot of searching to find this bargain. ,Many similar-looking low temperature ones but this is the only high temperature version I have found.

    When you tested for the appropriate IR thermometer emissivity settings for alumina and for Durapot 810, what were your findings?

    I haven't tried that IR thermometer yet on anything hotter than my stovetop.


    I haven't heated up anything for a while, but I'm going give it a go again soon.


    I have a 4-channel TC recorder and probably 3 TCs still in good shape.

    Just wound up a ~170 mm long, 6 mm diameter, 12 ohm Kanthal A1 heater coil, with a plan to uncoil one loop every ~39 mm, to make 4 parallel coils (wired still in series) into a roughly 5 cm square, 10 mm thick alumina block, once potted.

    Quote from THHuxleynew

    The MFMP ICCF paper contained one error. They tested the IR camera at one temperature and then assumed (erroneously) that the emissivity vs temperature relationship that they observed at that temperature would be true elsewhere. It is not (if you check the Optris software as i have done and posted here you can show that).


    They kept this error because during the testing the broke the camera.


    And because of it some of their conclusions are just wrong, though the paper still contains valuable data.

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    wow, another bunch of trolldiots.


    Moved from the Playground thread. Eric

    Quote from axil

    I predict that the benefaction around here will decrease to record lows. This demo will be a burr under the sandals of many of our tall riders: those who ride a high horse.


    Oh! Trust me, if the demo turns out too well for the taste of the deniers and the Walker like operatives they will blame the Russians... or the aliens, or whatever. I probably do not have imagination enough to visualize the kind of animal MY will blame. it will be UGLY :)


    Moved from the Rossi Blog discussion. Eric

    Quote from Eric Walker

    It can be tempting when opinions are strong to personalize this discussion with members of this forum. But let's resist the urge to do so.


    Ahh. Keeping everyone in line are we? Keeping the flood on personalization to a narrow set of persons (swedes and italians mainly...) I guess it is perfectly ok to compare Rossi to Nigerian scammers or whatever and accuse everyone who agrees with him with any number of epithets. But only mentioning the possible interests of some moderators and their MY pets, gets posts removed. Why is that?


    Moved from Rossi blog discussion. Eric

    Quote from sifferkoll

    Oh! Trust me, if the demo turns out too well for the taste of the deniers and the Walker like operatives they will blame the Russians... or the aliens, or whatever. I probably do not have imagination enough to visualize the kind of animal MY will blame. it will be UGLY :)


    Moved from the Rossi Blog discussion. Eric

    Sifferkoll,

    If Rossi truly has something, I am positive that 99.9% of the people here will be extremely happy. It is THIER best interest for the eCat to be all Rossi hypes it to be. I will state here and now that if Rossi truly brings a working eCat to market, I will be EXTREMELY pleased and happy. I still will not excuse his lies, they were not needed nor would I excuse anyone of blatant lying, but none the less, I would be happy.


    Now how about you? What do you say about last June's demo.... the fuzzy blue light that the new partner and customer assisted with? Rossi's sworn deposition states there was no customer or new partner and the fuzzy blue light was a joke. How do you feel about that demo that Rossi posted soley for his supporters, including you? Are you excited that he lied? Does the blue photo really meet the criteria of ANY type of test or demo?


    Now, in 16 more days, what will YOU say if the demo is of a small gadget that emits a blue light? That no confirmation is allowed. That no real test data is given. That nothing but a show of a fuzzy blue light emitting from a small rod. Will YOU say "wow"! The salvation of the energy crisis has been proven! There is NO doubt that this is the real deal!


    You are stating "if the demo turns out too well for the taste of the deniers", I am asking what is the limits to "your taste"? It seems that there is absolutely nothing that Rossi could present that will change you opinion. If he presented a hand held flashlight with a piece of blue paper over the lens, would give a big thumbs up? If all he presents is a blue light and no backing data, calibrations, protocols etc. etc. is this still all good with you? Specifics please!


    Thanks!

    Quote from maryyugo

    axil

    @sifferkoll

    @Adrian Ashfield


    Sure, guys. Rossi has lied consistently and accomplished nothing of note except various lame scams for going on forty years. And now, he is going to demonstrate not only LENR but the most spectacular embodiment of it ever conceived: a pencil sized device that makes 20W of power out of almost nothing, contains a plasma, incorporates control circuits and heat exchange, makes light and electricity as well as heat, and solves the world's energy problems with enough left over to fund children with cancer. Yah Shoore he will! You guys are absolutely hilarious.


    Well, the "lame scams" has at least generated 1000+ hateful comments from you only here, and probably many times that in other places. That is a lot of energy right there. See...


    Moved from Rossi blog discussion. Eric




    I would say I'm as transparent as they come in this story. I do believe the demo will be a success and I will be disappointed if it's not. I do have some "skin in the game", although I do have to much other stuff to do than hanging around here 24/7, but occasionally I have some spare time... I surely hope and believe there will be more to the upcoming demo than a blue light.


    Unfortunately I do not share your view that 99,9% will be happy here. I know the say they will, but I know to much about the human psyche to understand that everyone is here for a reason, especially if posting 100s of comments - and that such a reason is very very rarely altruistic like you say. Many people have something to loose, be it invested time, money, careers, future funding or whatever. Some people I sincerely believe are here because it is their job. Consequences of a energy breakthrough such as working LENR is enormous, both economically and geopolitically. I believe mainly US military entities are watching (we know they have been on the LENR train for years), they certainly do not want to have this energy advantage in the "wrong" hands too quickly. They do not want "the other guy" having never-refuel drones too long before theirs' are flying. I believe it is in their interest to downplay the advancements and post FUD to slow down and delay as much as possible, especially when coming from hard to control independent inventors like Rossi. I believe they are pretty successful at it.


    As for Rossi and the demos and his statements I know that he sometimes is premature and are talking about his current plans as being closer to realization than they sometimes are. He is an optimist and a positive thinker. He has to be, to be able to do what he does. His grit and endurance is hard to match. About the demos I believe that for any demo or test of any kind there is always n+1 fraud scenario to be made up. I believe almost all tests have been successful in terms of energy gained. I do not believe the academic approach is the way to go. Rossi is 100% correct in that the market is the judge and that this approach makes a lot of people furious or scared. Because it is hard to control.

    Quote from Eric Walker

    Yes, rest assured that that will happen. I suggest you keep things polite and keep the innuendo and personal attacks of other forum members to a minimum.


    Ok, so tell me Eric; where do you draw this line when it comes to accusations (criminal activities like fraud & scams and/or incompetence, etc) against Rossi, Penon, Fabiani, the Swedes, etc?


    Moved from the Rossi blog thread. Eric

    Quote from sifferkoll

    Ok, so tell me Eric; where do you draw this line when it comes to accusations (criminal activities like fraud & scams and/or incompetence, etc) against Rossi, Penon, Fabiani, the Swedes, etc?


    This is a judgment call. This forum's etiquette does not apply to them in the same way. The relevant part of what I suggested is emphasized here:


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    I suggest you keep things polite and keep the innuendo and personal attacks of other forum members to a minimum.


    The forum team consults on and is concerned about keeping discussions of third parties civil as well. But there are few concrete rules.

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