I should be able to cargo cult one of these QXs together..
Alan Fletcher: you list a bunch of inconclusive or even null results and yet you conclude that all these things probably work. Why?
AF, I guess “probably” means something different to you from what it means to me.
ps: The best experimentalist in the whole saga is Mats Lewan.
You mean the Mats Lewan who, for six years, followed Rossi closely, had his ear, wrote an entire book about him, and never insisted on a single proper calibration? Including the current "demo"?Quote
Levi's water test: probably.
You mean the Levi water cooled test which, in six years, was never repeated or improved on? You mean by report the best performance by any ecat ever (the NyTeknik article) EXCEPT of course that Levi wouldn't do it again even when asked directly by Nobel laureate Dr. Josephson? That Levi water test?
Have you ever considered that by FAR the best explanation for all these failures and all the lack of clarity is that Rossi has nothing but deception? Cleverly orchestrated, designed and tested means of misdirection? In other words fraud? You don't think if the ecat really worked, someone associated with Rossi or one of his claimed customers would have proven it by now?Quote
Leaving out Doral (fake customer, heat dissipation, flow level questions) ... the alternative explanations were not (in the most part) conclusive either.
Why would you leave out a clearcut major example of Rossi's duplicity and lying? Are you also leaving out the hundreds of documents in the depositions which show that Rossi lies extensively and often?
Obviously, I don't expect a reply.
Ok, better than a 50% chance. Why in heaven’s name anybody would think that is beyond me. And I suspect even if you had enough time, you couldn’t provide even a vaguely persuasive argument for it.
if Rossi didn't bring to the show the scope, about what were you talking about?
"T" fitting for garden? or the two amazing red clamps? the rasted pipe?
ahahahahahah come on....
However more likely a resistive heater between the bolts with an LED.
If there would be a glass pipe in between the two bolts and the bolts do not cover the circular surface - the little kind of "spark" that appears to come out of it and was supposed to be a high voltage plasma discharge as discussed here - could easily be just "light", coming from the center of the homedepot reactor, via the glass pipe....?
They are all Italians probably
Rossi put out the bait yet again. Now, he will ensconce himself in his Miami condo and sip mint juleps and wait to see if anyone bites. In the meantime, he is going to continue the cloud of bovine feces he has always emanated from his idiotic and misnamed blog, JONP. I doubt he can resist doing that. Maybe, like someone famous we know, he will discover Twitter? I really hope some of the information that has been relayed by various people to local prosecutorial authorities is eventually acted upon. I'd love to see that man in court and in prison (again).
Thanks for the history. But to paraphrase Barnum, new suckers are born every minute.
I don’t care if he goes to prison, suckers are born every minute and if they are foolish enough not to do their due diligence and then to get taken by a con man, oh well.
However, I would absolutely love to see him in court and watch him uncomfortably twist and turn, clench his jaw, gnash his teeth, mumble and stumble in a witness chair while being asked yes or no questions prepared by an engineer.
Now THAT is a show I would buy tickets for
I posted on ECW for several years. First as a "RossI believer" but with reservations.
Over time, my opinion changed. I then start posting very infrequently, often only on new subjects that were "really a stretch". My posts almost always were simply quoting, with link, to a Rossi quote and then asking what the status was. Such as "Rossi posted a plant was sold on... what is the status of this." I would sometimes put up a series of Rossi quotes and then asked for an explanation of why they appeared to be false.
About 4 months ago, I made reply to a post and received a notice that either my browser was malfunctioning or I had been banned from the site.
I sent Frank a private email and he responded privately that I indeed had been banned by him and the reason was that it was clear I did not believe in the eCat or Rossi and the ECW was for believers only. I had received no warnings. I can assure you that my posts were always without personal insult and were simply quoting Rossi. I posted there under "Guest" user but always signed by posts with Bob, as I do here, my real name. I do not know if you can search a users post at ECW or not, but I encourage it as I am not ashamed of any posts I made there.
THH says he was banned and he also is very polite and fact based. Frank made it clear to me that the governing decision he uses is if one believes Rossi and if posts made will argue that fact. At least he was very forthright in his private response to me. I can accept that. It is his website and he can do as he pleases.
I only commented back to him that he should make that policy very clear.
I do believe censoring fact based postings are unfortunate though and I have no further interest in ECW. You will not get the complete picture from information on that site.
Frank does have the following under the commenting guidelines tab of ECW:
"The following types of comments are subject to moderation:
- Comments that state openly or by implication that LENR/cold fusion/E-Cat is a fraud or hoax" (Emphasis mine)
However, he did more than moderate, he banned me. But enough of this I guess, it is a bit off topic.!
I have never been a Rossi believer, however, when first introduced to it in January, 2011,
I was certainly intrigued enough to follow it.
However, within the first 12 months it was obvious to me that he had absolutely no intent to follow the scientific method to prove his assertions.
It is my humble opinion that Andrea Rossi is a flat out con man.
... that's it.
There we have it. You really can see the handles through the wholes, which really seems to indicate, that this is a car battery.
... this sucker fooled us all, once again.
Dunno about "car" battery. There is an endless variety of sizes and shapes for 12 volt batteries for a whole variety of diverse applications like electric wheel chairs, industrial devices, tools, and so on. Most are lead-acid, some are other technologies and may vary a bit in their open circuit terminal voltage. Sure looks like that is what you see in the images of the white box with the row of holes. Rossi's choice looks small to me for a car battery but maybe a small car, a motorcycle or an electrically assisted bicycle.
I think the main issue at is that at L-F you have a lot of* people with a strong technical background who have come to the conclusion that Rossi's claims are entirely ridiculous.
I'm not sure being coders or software analysts qualifies as strong technical background in the LENR field. Neither does being electrical engineers (though it's a bit more helpful)
the homedepot reactor,
Hey, that has a ring to it. So we have the original toilet tubing reactors, then the Ottoman (official NASA designation, LOL) reactor, the Penon reactor, the Lugano reactor, the Six Pack and now, we have the Home Depot Reactor. That name should stick.
Of course, even if there is completely unassailable, iron-clad proof that the Stockholm demo was a complete sham (and we are getting there), the Rossi believers will still stick with their hero. They will come up with absurd rationalizations for why Rossi can't show "the real e-cat" but instead resorts to unconvincing fakery. From time to time, I try to ask the remaining believers why they believe and never get an answer. Whenever thy say anything that isn't just anger towards long-time skeptics and more recent apostates, they site the support of people like Penon, Levi and Mats Lewan. Of course, these are people whose only claim to fame or credibility is that they support Rossi. Kind of circular reasoning, no?
So insightful you had to quote me twice?
Rionrlty, really? The clue is in the name...
And E48 is an electrical engineer, you clown.
And seeing as how you're here impugning people's qualifications, what the chuff do you do for a living?
Of course, even if there is completely unassailable, iron-clad proof that the Stockholm demo was a complete sham (and we are getting there), the Rossi believers will still stick with their hero.
Of course, even if there is completely unassailable, iron-clad proof that the Stockholm demo worked (and we are getting there), the Rossiphobe believers will still stick with their unproven speculations.
The various commenters who have stated there were no investors at the demo, not being there, can make up anything and somehow believe they know more than those present.
Several days after the Stockholm demo we made a very important agreement, that will make faster the start of a massive industrial production. These few days have been momentous.