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  • Doral project began they backed off and said they saw no heat from Rossi's devices


    As far as I can tell it looks like they were happy showing potential investors the Doral plant at least halfway through the test or something, and that they had nothing bad to say about the test until after Rossi sued for payment.

  • I guess there's not much more that can be extracted from this.


    I'm not sure exactly what limits the sharpness of the images you are examining, but in the past I have seen a technique whereby a number of framegrabs from a video are averaged together to sharpen an image. I first saw this in a magazine for amateur astronomers a number of years ago. A group of them had used their telescopes to photograph the space shuttle from earth. The resolution of the video image was degraded by variations in the atmosphere between the earth and the photographed object but these averaged out when many framegrabs were superimposed. Would it work here?

  • I thought they settled. What is criminal about that? You are making stuff up.


    Go have a look at the Meadowlands mess if you want to know about IH business behavior. These people wasted $300M+ of US tax payer money... Darden Meadowland mess ...


    Tony,


    I do not need to make anything up about Rossi. It's right there in the public record for all to see:


    -operating an unlicensed nuclear reactor in a public facility

    -selling highly endothermic products without reporting it as income

    -employing day laborers without issuing them a 1099

    -breaking 2 of the landlords window panes without permission

    -killing a landscape tree by blasting it with 1MW hot air


    If that is not enough to convince you, I could tell you all about JM Products? ;)


    As to that Cherokee Meadowlands thing; I did read it a couple years back. All I saw was standard, run-of-the-mill corruption by government officials, politicians, and public unions. Cherokee did what any private company does in that situation....hold their nose and "pay to play" as is demanded of them.


    Pay to Play, is actually the norm when dealing with government entities. Usually it is not direct graft/kick-backs (that may actually get them in trouble), but subtle indirect paybacks. A good example you see all the time is: "OK, I'll consider you for the contract sir, BTW have you donated to our NY State County Officials Annual Conference in Boca Raton?" or "how much did you contribute to the local Democratic campaign fund?". You either pay, or you do not get to play. Ugly, but that is the way it works.


  • Ehh, you must be kidding me, right? "Breaking 2 windows" :D :D


    Browsing through the Meadowlands reports does not paint the picture you are implying however (why are you even defending it?). It sure as hell looks a lot like the whole Darden plan was to get those low-interest tax payer funded loans and make the money disappear ... $300M+ The report also shows some similarities with the IH/Rossi deal, like last minute changes (prime financier exits before it started etc.) I get the feeling you want to blame the politicians here, when the Darden et al are obviously the bad guys, regardless of pay and play.

  • Tony,


    Yeah, just kidding you there, although I am serious about telling you all about JMP if you want? That is where the criminal "behavior" (not necessarily a crime) I mentioned, shines through.


    The Meadowland stuff..., yes, that was my takeaway. You are welcome though to post some excerpts that could show me wrong. It's been a long time since I read it. Not that it matters anymore.

  • Tony,


    Yeah, just kidding you there, although I am serious about telling you all about JMP if you want? That is where the criminal "behavior" (not necessarily a crime) I mentioned, shines through.


    The Meadowland stuff..., yes, that was my takeaway. You are welcome though to post some excerpts that could show me wrong. It's been a long time since I read it. Not that it matters anymore.



    Ok. Here are some excerpts from the 277 page report. Words that comes to my mind are; incompetence, caveat emptor, lawyer sharks.


    It looks a lot like the IH deal. Darden et al seems only interested in the financial part of the deal. They show extremely low interest in what is actually happening in every other area... Being it either landfills or LENR ...







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    Failing to condemn is not condemning to failure.

    WHAT does that even MEAN?!


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    "I have said Rossi is a flake fake as usual

    (TFIFY)"


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    (I said) the demo would/could never prove anything (before I went)

    See, that's the thing about Rossi. Since 2011, he has had the power to absolutely prove and cleverly demonstrate his technology if he actually has one. Yet he has never done so. Instead, he does these deliberately vague and stupidly assembled shows in the hope of snaring investors who will be impressed because they and their advisers don't know better. But you know better. You know very well that Rossi could prove his concept once and for all easily with a demo that would not endanger his IP. What amazes me is how you rationalize to yourself that he never does!


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    I know that at least 3 major laboratories and every car company in Japan (yes, every one) is working on Ni/H systems.

    Well, I hope that is on better information than available for Rossi. Maybe they are following the literature but working on it? All of them?


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    People talk to me because I am open to discuss things, do not have a closed mind and don't do hate readily.


    Commendable. But why is it necessary? Nobody would "hate" Rossi if he simply performed proper tests. Nobody would criticize Rossi if he wasn't constantly lying and scheming, even with his own people and investors. All of us are open to discuss things here and elsewhere. I think what distinguishes your approach is that you are singularly unwilling to criticize, even when you have to know things are shady. That may get you into a lot of doors. I am not sure how useful to the field it really is -- compared, let's say to your providing hard to find lab supplies and chemicals.

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    there is a current ... below, which is not ours


    Yes, the AC current (he says) has a cycle of 60Hz in US and 50Hz in EU :D :D :D

    JoNP means Journal of Null-Physics (the house of hoax,trickery, junk and psychopathological science).

  • I think Tony's "point" is that because Darden may have engaged in questionably ethical deals, he deserved to have his company cheated and devastated by Rossi. Uhhun. Yah shoore.


    Not exactly. My point is to show what kind of business practices Darden et al are used to. It also shows there being no substance behind those arguing IH being in anyway competent or benificial within the LENR area. It shows a history of negligence and incompetence when it comes to the actual stuff their financial products are all about, be it tax payer funded landfills or LENR research. They simply don't care about anything except the financial side of the deals. That is clear.


    When I think about it Mary. This is probably something for you to engage in. Here you have the possibility to use all that energy of yours for a good cause (tax payer funds.)

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    When I think about it Mary. This is probably something for you to engage in. Here you have the possibility to use all that energy of yours for a good cause (tax payer funds.)


    I try to stick with what I understand. In my case, high tech fraud of which Rossi is a classical example. You should try it (sticking to what you know well).

  • Tony,


    Thx for providing that. What I read before was an article about the sordid affair, not a report. And it did not focus on the Cherokee subsidiary, or Darden. so much as the rotten government angle. Do you have a link?


    Not saying I am going to look too hard into this, as I already agree that IH/Cherokee bungled their handling of Rossi. Not so much in the beginning (Bologna Validation Test), when they felt throwing $11.5 million at Rossi (even after he refused to let one of the big testing companies participate) was worth losing to find out if he had something, but later on at Doral.

  • Tony,


    Thx for providing that. What I read before was an article about the sordid affair, not a report. And it did not focus on the Cherokee subsidiary, or Darden. so much as the rotten government angle. Do you have a link?


    Not saying I am going to look too hard into this, as I already agree that IH/Cherokee bungled their handling of Rossi. Not so much in the beginning (Bologna Validation Test), when they felt throwing $11.5 million at Rossi (even after he refused to let one of the big testing companies participate) was worth losing to find out if he had something, but later on at Doral.


    Here is the doc: Darden Meadowlands mess


    My take is that this supports Rossi's side of the story A LOT. Darden was probably only in the game to raise money, which probably turned out to be a harder than doing it for landfills, where low interest tax payer funds are available.

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    My take is that this supports Rossi's side of the story A LOT.

    Yikes, Tony! WHICH part of WHAT story? Did you read ANY of the pretrial deposition transcripts? Have you followed the charades that Rossi has foisted on people as demos over the years? Rossi lies constantly, consistently, with or without reason. He is as not trustworthy as a Bernie Madoff. He's just not as effective.

  • Yikes, Tony! WHICH part of WHAT story? Did you read ANY of the pretrial deposition transcripts? Have you followed the charades that Rossi has foisted on people as demos over the years? Rossi lies constantly, consistently, with or without reason. He is as not trustworthy as a Bernie Madoff. He's just not as effective.


    Mary. I know (actually everyone who as ever been on a site even remotely connected to Rossi or LENR knows) this your heavily invested in position.


    This does not make it true though. Far from. I would actually consider your comments about anything a red flag - actually making the opposite of you position much more likely... Such are the consequences of obsessive behavior taken to the extremes. Sorry to bring you this bad news ;)

  • So then, Tony, you didn't read any of the evidence about Rossi? Is that what you are saying? Because your response is entirely tangential and irrelevant to my question!


    I read many court docs. I don't consider them evidence about Rossi. What do you mean? Most of them where just conspiracy theories about whoknowswhat produced by Darden to save his ass best he could. Anyway it didn't matter since they settled, right? Only important doc was the Penon report since it should have triggered the payment.