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    Quote from Bruce__H

    I wonder whatever happened to IH Fanboy? The very last time we saw him I had finally gotten him to address, square on, Krivit's video of Rossi holding up a rubber hose out of which was emerging a few puffs of steam when in fact it should have been a mighty torrent.


    I had taken IH_Fanboy through my calculations and he replied ... in his last ever post on this site ..."You seem to have made out a good case here. Will have to check your calculations later, because Thanksgiving.". Maybe he is still checking.


    Anyone on this site who still believes that Rossi has something should look at this video and try to figure out for themselves how Rossi could be anything other that a con man

    I think IH fanboy needed a well deserved rest from this Forum.

    Krevit got access to Rossi and his

    work and got kicked out of A.R. Lab

    in two days.He was not good at

    investigation reporting and should

    have stayed on A.R. good side to do

    a proper investigation.


    Krivit was just the guy behind the camera. None of the inconsistencies derive from Krivit or his analysis. They all derive from what Rossi says and what the camera shows. The two don't match ... Rossi's claims and what we see in the video are out by more than an order of magnitude.


    So what you say here is all beside the point.

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    Quote from Bruce__H

    Krivit was just the guy behind the camera. None of the inconsistencies derive from Krivit or his analysis.


    I spoke to someone who was present during the entire Krivit visit on the day he left, a UniBo staffer, but not a public name. This witness said to me 'what a nasty piece of work, he (Krivit) arrived with (it was obvious from his demeanour) an already prepared agenda to demonise Andrea, pretended he couldn't understand any Italian when he quite obviously could - I really did not like the man one bit. '


    That's a 'loose quote' from memory, but I think it is pretty accurate.

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    Krivit does have a history of antagonistic journalism. In his same visit to Bolgna, where he made that infamous Rossi steam video, he interviewed Levi also. It literally made me squirm to watch the way he treated Levi...like he was guilty of something. Levi was squirming also. That is not journalism in my book. in addition, Krivit has crapped on Nobelist Brian Josephson, and McKubre.


    That said, the video does not lie. Rossi does look like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and the steam looks anemic.

    Quote from Alan Smith

    I spoke to someone who was present during the entire Krivit visit on the day he left, a UniBo staffer, but not a public name. This witness said to me 'what a nasty piece of work, he (Krivit) arrived with (it was obvious from his demeanour) an already prepared agenda to demonise Andrea, pretended he couldn't understand any Italian when he quite obviously could - I really did not like the man one bit. '


    That's a 'loose quote' from memory, but I think it is pretty accurate.


    I accept all of that. I just don't see the relevance. From Mr Rossi's statements about what is happening one can figure out how fast the steam should be coming out of the hose he holds up. From looking at the video it is plain that the actual velocity of the steam is more than an order of magnitude slower than this. How would Krivit's animus change any of this?

    Quote from Bruce__H

    I accept all of that. I just don't see the relevance. From Mr Rossi's statements about what is happening one can figure out how fast the steam should be coming out of the hose he holds up. From looking at the video it is plain that the actual velocity of the steam is more than an order of magnitude slower than this. How would Krivit's animus change any of this?

    This Person knows how to get the steam Rollin Bruce H.


    https://youtu.be/5fin8cnX3xY

    Rends wrote: Right from the beginning I would have hired scientifically trained professionals who are undoubtedly able to perform reasonable calometrical measurements and I would have involved technicians that, without having to rely on Rossi et.al statements and data, plowed up the technology of the plant and analyzed it down to the last detail.


    Rends . I think you are guilty of post facto gloss here. Consider: Rossi had some apparently independent tests (Ferrara) showing his stuff worked. Before they paid over dosh there was another apparently independent test with a positive report. if it worked it would be the breakthrough of the century and worth large multiples of what was paid. Rossi refused to allow proper IH hands-on validation without payment in advance of a large sum.


    Now I ,as a skeptic, would not have given him this in a million years. If an inventor does not allow proper validation before $10M something is wrong. But you, I'm quite sure, thought at that time that Rossi's stuff worked, and continued to think this after the IH contract was announced. If that is true, the fact that Rossi is a difficult character, and required a large down payment to allow in-house validation, is irrelevant. Even if there is a 50% chance of the independent tests being wrong, you would surely argue, it is worth it for IH to get their hands on this technology and apply money, professionalism, and technical expertise to its commercialisation (Rossi was clearly not going to do that).


    But then IH, once they got their hands on devices, started to find inconsistencies in Rossi's test protocols. As soon as they hired high powered technical expertise it fell apart.


    They thought (as maybe you would think) that you don't need sophisticated technical measurements to validate a COP of 3.


    Now, when Rossi is involved, we all know different. Not sure from your posts here whether you also know different?

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    Quote from THHuxleynew

    I think you are guilty of post facto gloss here. Consider: Rossi had some apparently independent tests (Ferrara) showing his stuff worked. Before they paid over dosh there was another apparently independent test with a positive report. if it worked it would be the breakthrough of the century and worth large multiples of what was paid. Rossi refused to allow proper IH hands-on validation without payment in advance of a large sum.


    This is a very good objection that arises the question why Darden et.al guaranteed Rossi such a relatively high advance and such a high total contract sum, solely on the basis of "independent tests" where the sole confirmation depends on the expertise of Fulvio Fabiani, who even then was considered to be "Rossi's engineer"?


    It is only a guess, but I think that Darden et.al did it and did not take it so seriously, because they were only marginal interested in developing LENR as a game chainging technology, but they had very high interests to convince major investors like Woodford to get involved in this project and as the correspondence between JT Vaughn and Thomas Darden shows, the ECAT project would not have been continued without Woodford's investment.

    Quote from Rends


    This is a very good objection that arises the question why Darden et.al guaranteed Rossi such a relatively high advance and such a high total contract sum, solely on the basis of "independent tests" where the sole confirmation depends on the expertise of Fulvio Fabiani, who even then was considered to be "Rossi's engineer"?


    It is only a guess, but I think that Darden et.al did it and did not take it so seriously, because they were only marginal interested in developing LENR as a game chainging technology, but they had very high interests to convince major investors like Woodford to get involved in this project and as the correspondence between JT Vaughn and Thomas Darden shows, the ECAT project would not have been continued without Woodford's investment.

    Rends,


    That is certainly possible,

    But I believe the that Rossi simply conned

    IH out of $10 million, and that this was his plan from day 1.

    Quote from Eric Walker

    Anyone making a habit of accusing others here of being (e.g., paid) shills runs the risk of getting booted with little ado or afterthought.

    But when one of your band of anonymous Rossi haters wrote that I was a "Rossi sock puppet" (as well as many other insults), not a peep came from you.

    I give my real name, even where I live, and as confirmed by the footnote on one of my published papers (linked earlier). I have been Chief Engineer, Director of Engineering and V.P. Engineering of major companies. Unlike some of the anonymous commenters, there is proof I really exist. I joined this forum in 2014 (although I'm apparently not a "verified user." LOL)


    Another asked you why I was banned. You replied the primary reason was that anyone annoying you could expect that. It seems that anyone defending Rossi annoys you, which explains why newcomer frankl is about the only one left, making this forum rather biased. I expect he will be banned soon.


    Threads like this one are often full of repetitive insults of Rossi and biased statements made with absolutely no proof. For example, that because Rossi has started on a new E-Cat the QX will now be abandoned, despite the fact that Rossi claims it does not affect the QX production plans and new models will take a year to evaluate. So such statements are fake news.


    With my long experience I don't make statements of certainty without proof. I think details of Rossi's past are sufficiently unclear that it is foolish to jump to conclusions with such certainty. There is good reason to believe over a hundred scientists, some very well known, who have seen an E-Cat operating in demos, yet only Krivit has spoken out saying they don't work, after he had fallen out with Rossi. (To be fair I doubt that deno worked)

    Those actually present have at least as good a chance of seeing problems as bloggers who have never been near one.


    When I said I had some evidence Rossi was indeed building a factory I was dismissed as an "not a reliable witness," The opinions of those that have stated it will never happen for so long and so often will be completely worthless in the future if the QX is indeed produced, and in that event should probably leave.


    I have little interest in discussing factless opinions and usually just comment because I object to the libelous insults made. It was IH's fault if they didn't do proper due diligence before giving Rossi $millions. I know I could have checked it out quickly enough. Why didn't IH find Rossi a client in over a year, forcing him to set up an unsatisfactory operation? Why don't you believe that the 1 MW plant was shot after a year and not suitable for commercial use? If the court case was such a slam dunk why did IH settle? Why would Rossi start the case when he must know the truth would come out in court?


    Meanwhile I wait for new facts. If you don't hear from me that will mean I have been banned again.

    Quote from Adrian Ashfield

    Meanwhile I wait for new facts. If you don't hear from me that will mean I have been banned again.


    You'll be banned again if you start attacking forum members. Before long the ban will be permanent. I suggest you stick to addressing questions of fact, as you have mostly done in the preceding post. And please address details people have raised, rather than repetitively asserting statements of a general nature that bear little upon points that were made earlier in the discussion.


    And, yes, if you behave like a boor, intentionally or otherwise, that will get you sent away.

    Quote from THHuxleynew

    As soon as they hired high powered technical expertise it fell apart.


    And exactly who were these "high powered technical expertise" . To me it looks like they only contracted lawyers and spinners (or are you talking about Fulvio?). The only other somewhat technical person was Murray, but he was brought in at the end, merely to help them exit the deal when it become apparent they would need to pay, ie damage control. And this happened only after they had pocketed the Woodford cash and maybe made some Chinese deal (although this is unclear). It sure as hell looks like a pump and dump thing from IH side; not about the tech , only caring about investor cash.

    Quote from Eric Walker

    repetitively asserting statements of a general nature that bear little upon points raised earlier in the discussion.


    Unless of course it is repetitive general statements regarding the nature of Rossi from the perspective not considered "annoying" to certain forum mods. Did I get that right?

    I think the whole Rossi discussion is a bit too emotional.

    Quite some people are very disappointed by him and his actions and especially the people who came to LENR because of Rossi are very involved when it comes to his person.

    I don't think that this is a discussion that will lead anywhere.

    Either he has something or he doesn't won't matter to LENR too much.

    Rossi is his own biggest enemy and even if he does have something he would be so infected with inventors disease that he could never market it in any sufficient way.

    So we should go away from Rossi as a topic and use the time more fruitful is my opinion.

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