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"Lack of Rossi supporters could also have something to do with the change in moderation tactics taking place after the settlement."

I don't think so. The problem with supporting Rossi is, that actually no one who is convinced or believes in Rossi, is willing to answer the tricky questions (like the ones above, or others that completely contradict modern physics and thermodynamics). If you browse through the Q&A's and the content of discussion on Frank Aclands ECW - evereybody with a good basic idea on physics, chemistry and more important: on common business adminstration, will feel his hair standing on end....

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It is only encouraged to discuss details of the unknown, while the elephant in the room is off limit.

Well then I encourage you to test this out by discussing the known and seeing what the moderators do. What is your opinion of that Krivit video? Is what Rossi saying correct or is it wrong by a huge amount? In stating your opinion use only what you can actually see and measure or what Mr Rossi actually says.

Would you try that? According to you it should be a thumb in the eye of the moderators!

stan is new here since this weekend, doesn't seem to have an objective interest in the history and his only plan seems to get rid of this "bad image" discussion of Rossi, so I would also ask: why?

Quote from Shane D.

Bob,

Oh those "missing windows"...now that was a fun time! I think the "scratches on the floor" originated with E48...and IHFB then picked up on that? No matter, as that was funny too, whoever brought it up.

Yes, I agree IHFB was out to lunch (wrong), and irritating at times with his repetitiveness. But with what he had to work with, I think he did about as well as any Rossi fan could do to deflect attention away from Rossi, and on to IH. His strategy reminded me of that old lawyer adage: "If you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. If not, then just argue". And IHFB excelled at "just arguing".

Shane,

Again, this is not a debate, it is not religion or politics, it is science, there is an answer,

Unfortunately, Rossi has provided no evidence to back up his claims, just bits and pieces and parts of disparate data that, if believed, could lead gullible people to the conclusion that he wants them to be led to.

Quote from Bruce__H

What is your opinion of that Krivit video?

Wow. If Kritvit published a video we can be absolutely sure it does not show the details that Krivit did not want it to show.

Quote from Eric Walker

argbo18 can you please clarify what you mean by "the elephant in the room is off limit"?

Please, pretty please, don't attempt to make this into a discussion about moderators and moderation, etc. What you want to do is to address matters of fact under discussion relating to things outside of this forum.

Then, pretty please, dont ask me questions like that one at the top...

Quote from argbo18

Wow. If Kritvit published a video we can be absolutely sure it does not show the details that Krivit did not want it to show.

Well let's go with what is shown and then see how we get on. Maybe we will be able to figure out that something crucial has been left out. I haven't caught such a thing yet but perhaps you can help.

I am trying to stick with the things that are known. Things actually said by Mr Rossi and things that can be seen. Since you feel that these things are discouraged on this forum I suggest that this is a good way to proceed. It will fill in a hole and at the same time we will establish a united front and defy the moderators together!

What do you say? Will you try out some impartial analysis and see what happens?

Quote from Bruce__H

Well let's go with what is shown and then see how we get on. Maybe we will be able to figure out that something crucial has been left out. I haven't caught such a thing yet but perhaps you can help.

I am trying to stick with the things that are known. Things actually said by Mr Rossi and things that can be seen. Since you feel that these things are discouraged on this forum I suggest that this is a good way to proceed. It will fill in a hole and at the same time will establish a united front and defy the moderators together!

What do you say? Will you try out some impartial analysis and see what happens?

Totally useless waste of time. Go ask someone who have actually participated in one of the tests instead. Then you do not need to sit at home making wild guesses to confirm your arm chair thesis. (oops! forgot that those people are on the wrong side of the fence...) But you prove my point by trying to direct this discussion towards speculations on insignificant unknowns.

SPargbo## - You guys are like the clown car in the center ring at the circus - you just keep coming.

What gives you credibility to even ask your question?

I participated in a test and caught the Wealthy Career Specialist cheating. Upon spotting that he was caught, he quickly shutdown the experiment claiming potential runaway.

IH did a control / fueled reactor test and caught the WCS cheating - he flew out the door in a rage.

The WSC admitted first hand to lying / cheating in Doral - all recorded under oath into perpetuity for those willing to read the record.

Dealing in truth is useful - not a waste of time.

Quote from Dewey Weaver

I participated in a test and caught the Wealthy Career Specialist cheating. Upon spotting that he was caught, he quickly shutdown the experiment claiming potential runaway.

IH did a control / fueled reactor test and caught the WCS cheating - he flew out the door in a rage.

Great. First hand experience is good. Did this happen before or after IH raised money from Woodford in Doral? I believe the answer to that question puts the statement into perspective.

Quote from argbo18

Totally useless waste of time. Go ask someone who have actually participated in one of the tests instead. Then you do not need to sit at home making wild guesses to confirm your arm chair thesis. (oops! forgot that those people are on the wrong side of the fence...) But you prove my point by trying to direct this discussion towards speculations on insignificant unknowns.

We can add argbo 18 to the list of people who refuse to engage with this evidence of the nonfunctionality of Rossi's ecat. Krivit's video contains the the clearest evidence that I know of because everything is just right there on the video. Contrary to argbo 18's assertions, you don't need to actually be there to understand what is going on and you don't need to make wild guesses because you can actually take measurements from the video.

I put argbo in the "Tony" category of evidence avoiders. Tony made exactly the same arguments. See for instance here Steven Krivit's 2012 video of Rossi demonstrating the E-Cat

Quote from Dewey Weaver

IH did a control / fueled reactor test and caught the WCS cheating - he flew out the door in a rage.

I missed this account. What happened?

Quote from stan

So why still talk about him?

We've explained above. It is psychologically fascinating that Rossi can attract followers.

Personally, I also enjoy his demos. He comes up with new ways of faking each time, and the fun is that he does not (usually) bother to hide the fact that he is faking things.

For example, in the QX test he did not bother to measure the input power when the reactor was working. It was quite clear from test details that a plausible input voltage then would mean COP=1. Rossi's arguments are technically wrong, and it is fascinating to see how his followers, who do still exist, rationalise this.

I'm not fascinated enough to visit ECW except once in a blue moon. So, instead, we get the less fascinating people who pop up here. Perhaps they are from ECW?

Quote from Bruce__H

I missed this account. What happened?

It is documented in the Court evidence. One reason why we tell the Rossi fans on here to read it! Darden had by mistake wired up a reactor without fuel in an identical setup with multiple reactors with fuel. When he discovered the mistake he thought it was strange when they all gave the same high COP. Rossi refused to believe one did not have fuel till it was opened up, and then suggested that someone had stolen the fuel. This was obviously untrue and when Darden pressed the matter, suggesting that the test setup should be checked for errors, Rossi stormed out in a rage.

Darden at this point was highly unwilling to think Rossi's stuff did not work, and hoped it would just be some glitch. But, he was aware enough of reality to know that without investigation a test setup that registered a control device with a COP >> 1 could not be trusted.

Another thing that keeps Rossi alive here is that Alan Smith, for reasons that remain unclear to many here, continues to support Rossi. That is, he says he supports people close to Rossi. But, since they peddle Rossi's claims, it is as good as.

You may, if you like, try to make out of Alan's support some complex reason for Rossi having working stuff.

Personally I just find it psychologically fascinating.

Quote from THHuxleynew

Darden at this point was highly unwilling to think Rossi's stuff did not work, and hoped it would just be some glitch. But, he was aware enough of reality to know that without investigation a test setup that registered a control device with a COP >> 1 could not be trusted.

Well, at least he was not unwilling to raise money from Woodford in Doral before turning against Rossi ... Isn't that fascinating?

THH: what is especially interesting about the remaining Rossi supporters is that their arguments in favor of Rossi consist of either ascribing nefarious motivations to Rossi critics or alluding to private information they have that cannot be shared. Supporters have long since given up on providing any evidence that Rossi is legitimate or countering technical arguments against Rossi’s flimflam shows. That is a hopeless task and they seem to know it. Instead, we get the “I’ve got a secret” routine. Does anybody actually go for that at this point?