Rossi vs. Darden aftermath discussions

Always making claims of more than delivered. That is the pattern.

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More unsupported negative speculation from the get Rossi crowd. Rossi has stated he will demonstrate the E-Cat QX this year. He has always kept his word on doing demonstrations in the past.

Do you favor the consensus based, multi-billion dollar, "proper" R&D of hot fusion? The BBC points out that the hot fusion demo has been pushed back to 2054. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40558758

Or is it that you are clueless about how long it takes to develop a new technology?

It may indeed be that Signor Rossi demonstrates something this year.

If so, it will be interesting to see whether or not it will be open to close observation and whether it will involve some sort of control run. No one in their right minds will accept claimed positive results if there is no contemporaneous control; lacking, say, some necessary fuel component, but otherwise treated exactly the same as the properly fuelled item.

Standard scientific practice. Would anyone here accept a positive result in the absence of such a control?

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Always making claims of more than delivered. That is the pattern.

I prefer to refer to it as cutting through the FUD using facts. But to all their own. I do appreciate your diligence in producing charts, data, and comparisons. It is your interpretation of the data that I take issue with.

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2011 Levi tests a steam temp ecat and gets yp to 135kW peak and appx 20kW steady state for hours from a baseball sized device with a "COP" (output power divided by input power) of 10 to 20.

Hello everybody I'm back after being banned only the administrator knows why..... I have never insulted anybody I presume.

Dear Mary...... the data you report have never written by Levi in a official technical paper I presume that that one was only one of the many preparatory tests scientist do before making a more complete experiment.

Also in your timeline you make a lot of con-fusion mixing up different technologies and experiments. There are also many points missing probably because they are disturbing you. and also:

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Thomas Clarke analyzes these results, does the math and publishes a document

That's quite ridiculous. Are you sure that the TC paper was correct ?

In fact it was not. The TC paper and also his long posts were containing a swarm of errors that were masked by mathematical smoke and were only demonstrating that TC had a precise agenda. Not very scientific I would say,

I'm sure that all the Professors ant the colleagues that have seen the report have also the ability to analyze the data.

And the fact that the Swedish group has an ongoing activity on that topic means that the Lugano Report was not so bad.

Hi ele,

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Hello everybody I'm back after being banned only the administrator knows why.....

See The Great 'Believer' Witch Hunt. (Looks like the account suspension didn't quite stick for two weeks. The forum software is a little fiddly. I think the matter can be dropped at this point.)

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Please continue on with your angry and content-less defense of your Italian hero. There is no doubt that it is highly effective and will make a real difference in the world. Bravo.

I'm not angry and I have no hero. The only angry here is you I presume,

Be careful to much angry and stress can damage your health. Some content to make you content.

Quote from Shane D.

Do not get too excited if Rossi does a demo in Oct.:

1. Gerard McEk July 11, 2017 at 3:39 PM

   Dear Andrea,

   
   It seems that now you, being back from court, move forward much more quickly.

   
   “E-cat QX, prototype, new production method, demo in October”, it surely gives us the feeling you are moving full speed ahead and we are all very pleased with this.

   
   Just a few questions, if you allow me:

   
   1. Has the way in how demo is to be done changed or still as planned in the past?

   
   2. What power level will the E-cat QX prototype be?

   
   3. The ‘new production method’: is that related to a. Fuel, b. The reactor housing, c. Assambley of housing and fuel, d. Producing clusters?

   
   Thank you for answering our questions.

   
   Kind regards, Gerard

   
   PS: I hope your relation with your wife didn’t suffer since you won a tennis game?

2. Andrea Rossi July 11, 2017 at 5:30 PM

   Gerard McEk

   
   1- as in the past

   
   2- to be decided

   
   3- all of them

   
   Warm Regards,

   
   P.S.

   
   He,he,he

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He doesn't mean "as in previous tests", he means "as described previously". IIRC this included calorimetry with no phase change.

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(the above is essentially a copy of a Disqus post I made 2 years ago since when things have only gotten radically and dramatically worse for Rossi's prospects since his one and only true customer has repudiated Rossi's claims and was prepared to go to court about it)

We all know you from a much longer time, Your posts are almost always equal.

BTW as usual and equal in all your contributions you distort the facts. Was Rossi to sue IH and Darden first. Not the reverse.

Quote from andrea.s

but under the confidential settlement money likely changed hands

If money did change hands, won't this be published in company accounts? Just asking.

Quote from interested observer

of your Italian hero

Observer

Have you problems or prejudice against Italians ?

Reading your phrase think so. And is the second time here that I have this kind of feeling. Probably Rossi is attacked by some of the contributors also because he is Italian.

But I call that Racism,

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If money did change hands, won't this be published in company accounts? Just asking.

Private company accounts are not published.

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We all know you from a much longer time, Your posts are almost always equal.

BTW as usual and equal in all your contributions you distort the facts. Was Rossi to sue IH and Darden first. Not the reverse.

You misinterpret. Being "prepared to go to court" can mean being prepared to defend a suit in court, as well as to prosecute a suit.

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Dear Mary...... the data you report have never written by Levi in a official technical paper I presume that that one was only one of the many preparatory tests scientist do before making a more complete experiment.

Also in your timeline you make a lot of con-fusion mixing up different technologies and experiments. There are also many points missing probably because they are disturbing you. and also:

That's quite ridiculous. Are you sure that the TC paper was correct ?

In fact it was not. The TC paper and also his long posts were containing a swarm of errors that were masked by mathematical smoke and were only demonstrating that TC had a precise agenda. Not very scientific I would say,

I'm sure that all the Professors ant the colleagues that have seen the report have also the ability to analyze the data.

And the fact that the Swedish group has an ongoing activity on that topic means that the Lugano Report was not so bad.

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Re timeline. So when Levi reports extraordinary results you say it is just smoke - not to be taken seriously? Which of the 15+ Rossi demos then should be taken seriously? Is Penon a better reporter than Levi, or similarly afflicted?

Re TC paper swarm of errors. Please mention just one. I'll check your workings. I suspect you are talking out of your hat since TC's paper has been much discussed here and many (including those better qualified than you) have tried and failed to shoot it down.

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

This thread reminds me of the poem:

Last night I saw upon the stair

A little man who wasn't there.

He wasn't there again today,

Oh how I wish he'd go away.

Rossi has been successful in demonstrating his technology well enough to attract investment. Venture capitalists are are very suspicious bunch and are not easy to fool.

He is not interested by what you think and rightly forecasts he will not be believed before viable commercial nits are on sale.

Nobody here knows enough to be sure of the outcome although some claim great certainty.

Maybe this rubbish is entertaining to some, but it would be better to wait and see what actually happens. Some new form of energy production is required and like it or not Rossi is still a leading contender.

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As proof of the argument that VC/s "are are very suspicious bunch and are not easy to fool" I point you to Juicero, Webvan ("founded in 1999 as an online grocery store, delivering goods (including perishables) to doorsteps across the US. Accord to C-Net, “Webvan went from being a $1.2bn company with 4,500 employees to being liquidated in under two years;” eToys.com (an online toy marketplace) lasted for a few short years before closing its doors; Pets.com and, just for the heck of it, Uber, which is losing more money every day and which has no plan for becoming profitable.