Rossi vs. Darden aftermath discussions

Quote from Shane D.

Ascoli,

Good points. However, try as we may to put Rossi behind us, I think he is going to be the center of attention for a long time to come. Not because of Doral, as that was an obvious ruse, but because questions still remain as to his early years with Focardi. Also, the first Hotcat test in Ferrara has so far stood up against the critiques. And one can not help but wonder if IH did get a little something in a few of their attempts. After all, even Dameron told the Boeing guy (Childress) that he saw something interesting.

Then there are the possible replications of the Hotcat by AP and Songsheng, and both are still actively refining, and reporting. Every time they report, Rossi comes back into focus. And me356's Hotcat type reactor, while a bust, did provide fuel ash samples that may help MFMP unravel a piece of the puzzle. And let us not forget MFMP, which formed to replicate Rossi's Hotcat. As long as they are at it, Rossi is in the picture.

Got to admit that Rossi has spawned many offspring ...and yet he still has not proven a damn thing! The guy is that good. So yeah, we can talk about whether or not LENR is real, but Rossi is not going anywhere. By the time we are done with him, he will be a legend...if not already. Just the way he wants it.

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Rossi will have to wait to go down in the annals with the likes of Bernie, et.al., which indeed would have been the case if his bold attempt to extract another $89M by suing the folks that he'd already extracted $11M from had succeeded. Too bad he tucked his tail and ran like a scalded ECat when his bluff was called, people would have liked to have seen that proceed in court. But, NOW we are informed by the Brethren, that Rossi's grand ingenious plot all along was simply to get his Water Heater IP back, and be free to work on the QuackX. So now humanity must wait with bated breath for the opening of the QuackX Show, and to disconnect from the grid for a fraction of the energy prices they're paying now with a Quackx, made by the millions in invisible robotic factories, humming away in the closet, zero emissions and waste....while plasma-glowing fluorescent pigs and unicorns dart through the sky.

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Rossi will have to wait to go down in the annals with the likes of Bernie, et.al., which indeed would have been the case if his bold attempt to extract another $89M by suing the folks that he'd already extracted $11M from had succeeded. Too bad he tucked his tail and ran like a scalded ECat when his bluff was called, people would have liked to have seen that proceed in court. But, NOW we are informed by the Brethren, that Rossi's grand ingenious plot all along was simply to get his Water Heater IP back, and be free to work on the QuackX. So now humanity must wait with bated breath for the opening of the QuackX Show, and to disconnect from the grid for a fraction of the energy prices they're paying now with a Quackx, made by the millions in invisible robotic factories, humming away in the closet, zero emissions and waste....while plasma-glowing fluorescent pigs and unicorns dart through the sky.

Yep, you've convinced me. I guess it's time to pack up my marbles and go home.

"Catalysis of nuclear reactions by electrons"

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Quote from guest111

But, NOW we are informed by the Brethren, that Rossi's grand ingenious plot all along was simply to get his Water Heater IP back, and be free to work on the QuackX.

You are really biased, you transform things so they can fit with your distorted vision. It is obvious that when Rossi denounced IH he hoped to be able to get both the money and the IP, but over time he realized that it was safer to bet on one of the two because when it comes to dealing with a jury you can never be certain of the outcome even if you are right. It was Rossi's lawyer who asked him what was the most important for him, and he responded "the IP". Then the lawyer suggested the settlement because it was the safest way to get the IP. When you will see the first QuarkX on sale you will understand why the IP was worth more that the money... or maybe you will not understand it anyway, because people like you will continue to hate Rossi and say that the E-Cat doesn't work even when they will get one in their house that heats their bottom.

As far as I know I am banned from all of Wikipedia. I was last time I checked, years ago. Anyway, I have a low opinion of Wikipedia based on the cold fusion article, and also on articles relating to early aviation and the Japanese language, which are two other subjects I have some expertise in.

I would not contribute to Wikipedia even if they invited me. Someone there did once invite me. They had in mind splitting off a new article about the cold fusion controversy. The results were ludicrous, and hilarious. As quickly as I wrote, the "skeptics" erased what I was writing. It was like writing on an etch-a-sketch that someone shook every few minutes. After I saw this was happening, I recorded my entire contribution here on my disk, and then transferred it, knowing it would be erased a few minutes later. Here it is:

http://pages.csam.montclair.ed…lski/cf/293wikipedia.html

Here are some hilarious comments about Wikipedia by other authors:

https://www.wired.com/2006/04/the-wikipedia-faqk/

http://www.chronicle.com/artic…eight-of-Truth-on/130704/

http://wikipediocracy.com/

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I can see that you're a pain in the ass everywhere I have encountered you when discussing LENR, such as how you've been banned at Vortex.

For the record, I do not think Mary Yugo should have been banned from Vortex.

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ROTFWL! The first most important thing for Rossi was to stay out of jail. That issue is pending and will be probably for years. The second most important things for Rossi were stopping the legal fee drain and keeping at least some of his Miami condos. Sadly, in that he succeeded.

Oh silly little girl .... Rossi is the one who denounced IH for having not receiving the right compensation at the end of the test, a test that IH people have never said they didn't want (except when the time to pay has come). For no reason Rossi could end up in jail even if the process did not end with a settlement: this is just one of your recurring fantasies, your good night's thinking. As for legal fees, surely the hemorrhage of money for lawyers was more severe in IH's case. Rossi has accepted the settlement not because he didn't want to pay the lawyer further, but because he wanted to be sure that he could retrieve the IP. In addition to that he also managed to keep the 1 MW plant and the money raised for having previously sold the IP. Now he has everything he needs and is free from any constraint with IH ... undoubtedly a win, that's the reason why you can't accept it.

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Pertinent to the subject at hand, the Wikipedia page for Andrea Rossi was drastically changed because Rossi came into some money a few years back and threatened to sue Wikipedia.

Document your affirmation.

Which where the changes ? There is no trace of any threaten of Rossi on Wikipedia.

@ Shane D.

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However, try as we may to put Rossi behind us, I think he is going to be the center of attention for a long time to come.

That's will be true for the common people as long as will last the public debate on LENR. But what I meant is that, in order to understand the essence of this story, the Ecat should be kept distinguished from Rossi, and that addressing his oldest initiatives, as well as the last RvD litigation, is not very helpful, and sometimes it appears intentionally misleading. The Ecat has been the natural outcome of the CF history, not of Rossi's.

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Not because of Doral, as that was an obvious ruse, but because questions still remain as to his early years with Focardi.

Yes, exactly, many questions remain about the early years of this last CF adventure, even before the involvement of Focardi. But, are we sure that all this Ecat affair started with Rossi? Krivit keeps on his site a very interesting page titled: Chronology and Dramatis Personae in Andrea Rossi's Confidence Game. The first 4 personae are the JoNP spokesman and 3 members of its Board of Advisers, but, in accordance to the more recent revelations, they are not listed in the right chronological order. First question: what should be the right sequence?

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Also, the first Hotcat test in Ferrara has so far stood up against the critiques.

IMO the main critique to that report is that its lead author issued also the calorimetric report on January 2011 demo. That should suffice.

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And one can not help but wonder if IH did get a little something in a few of their attempts. After all, even Dameron told the Boeing guy (Childress) that he saw something interesting.

Something? Uhm ... very similar to "It -- the results were there looked like there was something going on."

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Then there are the possible replications of the Hotcat by AP and Songsheng, […] me356 […] MFMP […]

I guess they are only replications of Ecat-like demonstrations.

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So yeah, we can talk about whether or not LENR is real, but Rossi is not going anywhere. By the time we are done with him, he will be a legend...if not already. Just the way he wants it.

Yes, he is already a legend, and he wants it. Maybe he has been predestined to this role. Who knows? But if you want understand a legend, you have to look at its foundation.

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well it's proof that Rossi is NOT a fraud because it [criminal charges file] has not happened yet.

I see in the business section of the news that white collar criminal cases are sometimes filed years after the crimes are committed. The fact that charges have not been filed yet may have no meaning. There is a backlog of cases, especially in Florida, the national epicenter of fraud.

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You are really biased, you transform things so they can fit with your distorted vision. It is obvious that when Rossi denounced IH he hoped to be able to get both the money and the IP, but over time he realized that it was safer to bet on one of the two because when it comes to dealing with a jury you can never be certain of the outcome even if you are right. It was Rossi's lawyer who asked him what was the most important for him, and he responded "the IP". Then the lawyer suggested the settlement because it was the safest way to get the IP. When you will see the first QuarkX on sale you will understand why the IP was worth more that the money... or maybe you will not understand it anyway, because people like you will continue to hate Rossi and say that the E-Cat doesn't work even when they will get one in their house that heats their bottom.

Naa, I don't hate Rossi, at this point I find his and his Brethren's escapades quite amusing, better than anything on television (Wizard of OZ, Bernie Madoff Story, etc), and I look forward to the QuackX Episode, replete with its Rube Rossiburg "reactors", contaminated scrap plumbing, toggleclamps, heaters, arc-lamps, etc. and all the "analytical" instrumentation spitting out readings of astronomical COP's, with the Wizard, errr Rossi, pulling all the levers and pushing all the buttons....can't wait!!!!! (Albeit I probably wouldn't be so amused (I am however admittedly somewhat jealous, knowing what real innovators go thru to finance legitimate ventures) if I was the one that handed over $11M to him.....). An EDog may indeed heat one's bottom, but only with a COP<1.