Rossi vs. Darden aftermath discussions

  • Another arse reference Yugo? Pfft.


    Regarding tokamaks, a lot of research takes place into lithium flow through surface capillary channels. I had assumed this was for cooling/energy extraction, but it's possible the real point of it might be protecting the walls from the neutron flux... Which, as you say Jed, is the real difficulty with hot fusion.

  • IHFB,


    Well, by golly, if it is a fight you want, then a fight you will get! :) Good to see you back. Except for the snooty one, no one here tries to defend Rossi anymore. Can't blame them I guess.


    I will agree with you that there were some interesting tidbits coming out of the suit testimonies, that may leave open the slim possibility IH saw something smallish...on the order of what MFMP and maybe a few others have seen. I am still baffled why TD did not give the Boeing engineer the real fuel? Strange. And Dameron did tell him (Boeing) late in the game that he saw something interesting. So there is some smoke as you say IMO.


    What I was referring too when I implied IH found nothing, was the 1MW Doral plant. That is firm. It did not produce 1MW. The whole Doral thing was a sting operation from the start. After Rossi took possession of the plant deeded him in the settlement, he could not dismantle it fast enough. Probably worried some buyer would come knocking on the door wanting to buy it after doing a DD.


    For fun, I even considered dressing up as a buyer come Holloween, knock on his door, show him $1.5 million (fake) and ask to buy it. But I am afraid I might give him a heart attack....so nah.

  • Omg it only produced 500kW which a COP of 80
    LENR is finished time to close this forum boys : /


    Right Roger, and it is no longer for sale. Even at a measly 500kw/COP80, buyers would flock to Doral with billions in hand to buy. Instead, Rossi decided it best to dismantle the prototype answer to the worlds energy needs, and take the LT technology off the market...all because his customers now prefer a 20W blue LED light. Yeah.

  • Just noticed that your number of posts is nearly equal to my number of likes received, and my number of posts is nearly equal to your number of likes received. Strange that.


    Yep...very observant you are! There is a reason for that, and for the life of me I can not understand what that reason is. When I first came here to LF, I was very unpopular. Now, well...go figure.


    All I can say is, look objectively at the facts, and the "likes will be with you". :)

  • IHFB,


    Your defense of Rossi is lackluster compared to your old spirited self. Nothing at all like your "2 broken window panes, and a steam plume reflection" days, when you were full of fire, and, well, some other stuff. :) It is as if you are just going through the motions now.


    That may actually be good, as it could be a sign of the onset of first stage "Rossi awareness". I will give it a little more time, but you may soon be ripe for conversion therapy. If you notice the Penon Report looks strange all of a sudden...it may be that time.

  • Yep...very observant you are! There is a reason for that, and for the life of me I can not understand what that reason is. When I first came here to LF, I was very unpopular. Now, well...go figure.


    All I can say is, look objectively at the facts, and the "likes will be with you". :)


    Conventional wisdom is surprisingly frequently wrong. But yes, you win on the likes, and surely received a big boost from the Rossi-haters with your hard turn.

  • IHFB,


    Your defense of Rossi is lackluster compared to your old spirited self. Nothing at all like your "2 broken window panes, and a steam plume reflection" days, when you were full of fire, and, well, some other stuff. :) It is as if you are just going through the motions now.


    That may actually be good, as it could be a sign of the onset of first stage "Rossi awareness". I will give it a little more time, but you may soon be ripe for conversion therapy. If you notice the Penon Report looks strange all of a sudden...it may be that time.


    Sorry, but the fire in my belly is as bright as ever. There just isn't much going on right now.

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    IHFB - nothing of Rossi's worked at IH.


    Nothing of Rossi's ever worked for anyone anywhere. Unless you count Levi and/or Penon and/or the Swedes, which you should not for many reasons which have been explained many times by many people.


    Dewey Weaver

    Hey Dewey, I am curious about the allegedly wrong "fuel" given to Boeing. Why in the world/How in the world, could something like that happen? Know about it?

  • As we approach the ides of November, I look high, I look low, I look near, I look afar and yet, despite all my waiting and my looking and my earnest hopes, I still see no ecat, no miraculous new inventions, I see nothing. Please, someone tell me that the super genius Dr. Rossi is just teasing me and that his new wonder machines will be demonstrated soon.

  • I gave up on following that. I was in a strange maryyugo/jedrothwell echo chamber.

    Mayhaps we can open a new thread .. at 9:30 am Miami time?

    On another forum (different subject) we had a no-comments thread for 'boots-on-the-ground/golden-ticket-holders' and an open thread for general discussion.

  • We can do that. But I am not in general a fan of locked threads- especially when i AFAIK would be the only poster. But a special Quark Demo November 2017 Thread' is a good idea- and I will create one nearer the time- unless somebodt beats me to it of course.

  • With a new LF freshman class checking in, maybe it is a good time for a little refresher course on Rossi...the man, the myth. Marianne Macy (Infinite Energy Magazine), and her husband Mike Melich (Navy scientist) probably spent more time with, and were closer to Rossi than any other LENR insider. Macy wrote the following almost two years ago, right after Rossi filed suit against IH, and two months after the 1 year test ended.


    While you read, keep in mind that this was written well before the Rossi/Fabiani/Penon/Johnson/Bass depositions were completed, and other relevant facts became known through discovery. I consider it a "goodbye Rossi, good knowing you, do not let the door hit you in the ass on the way out", from the LENR community. You may think differently after reading, but at least you will be somewhat informed. It is long. Skip to "Enter Rossi" if you are short on time:


    http://www.infinite-energy.com…ng-a-lawsuit-in-lenr.html

  • My opinionbis that Rossi has figured out how to create, sustain, and utilize small scale spheromaks to produce seemingly tremendous excess heat. Perhaps his tactics and behavior have been typical of someone with a bad case of inventors disease, but I feel like his years of work have opened up the path for all of us to follow. If he has burned people with dishonesty, deception, and controversial tactics, they have every right to criticise him personally or expose his lies. But his technology could help the world. Those willing to imply that he never had anything just because they are furious due to his behavior are doing the world a disservice. Our language needs to be as precise, and we must try to keep our human impulses under control.

  • Director,


    I am pulling for you. But if Rossi has an effect, Doral proved it is not "tremendous", and more on the order of Piantelli's....if that. Whom BTW, the story has it he stole the effect from in the first place. That is supported by the fact that Rossi, to this day, is still fighting against Piantelli's Italy patent. Even recently having it's approval overturned.


    Personally, were I doing the lab work to replicate Rossi, I would just start saying I am trying to replicate Piantelli instead. That is more truthful, and easier than propping up such a dirt-bag as Rossi.

  • Shane,


    The whole situation with Doral was a mess and a very mixed bag in my opinion - made worse due to a multitude of factors including those that are not technological. The whole false - or at least extremely exaggerated - alleged connection of JM Products to Johnson Matthey could easily frustrate people to the point they have emotional outbursts and declare the whole demo-test-whatever (not going to get into a debate about the most accurate term) was a big giant hoax. But that would be a mistake. From what I've learned and put together over the past few months (connecting the dots between hundreds of papers that range from Ken Shoulders work, plasmoid physics, T.H. Morays systems, the Correa's PAGD, military spheromak fusion programs, and LENR), I'm covinced that likely every type of device he had built worked. This is not to say every single reactor, but every generation of E-Cat was a progression - sometimes sideways - towards more optimally creating, sustaining, and utilizing nano to micro sized spheromaks, in conjuction with embrittled fuels. Due to this, I'm unwilling to say that the plant didn't produce excess heat, but I'm also more than willing to say that a combination of factors make the official results ambiguous.


    Rossi did indeed get initial help from the existing work of Piantelli and Focardi. But I'd say that he succeeded in advancing the tech by enhancing the fundamental processes already taking place to a very weak degree. For example, instead of only depending upon thermal and pressure cycles to induce fracto-emission of spheromaks (heavy electrons) and LENR inducing ripples of SPPs (quasi-EVOs) he created the conditions for them to be produced externally to the lattice, in the RF generated plasma or between nickel particles. Or, in the QX, utilizing a more classic spheromak induced fusion approach. Me356 is using the same philosophy in all of his systems.


    I even have found reference to massive back spikes that can over heat and or destroy power supplies in multiple systems that were producing spheromaks or EVOs - even unknowingly to the inventors.


    Rossi deserves credit where credit is due, but no where else. I'm conflicted if his misdeads and deceptions ( for example the Johnson Matthey nonsense) should be identified as direct transgressions or horrible symptoms of inventors disease at least partially beyond his control. I consider inventors disease to be a literal pathological condition created by the inability to keep a logical and emotional balance when confronted with the multitude of intensely stressful issues faced when possessing a revolutionary technology - especially the issue of who to trust when in reality there are some people who would like to steal it from you. Then when the money and greed factor shows up, rationality goes out the window. Rossi is no different that Patterson and his power spheres in this regard.


    If I had a lab to work in, I'd have to work up a very good explanation of what I was doing, because this tech goes back far before Rossi. I'd say the founders were closer to Tesla, Moray, E.V. Gray, and the Correas. But Rossi's name would need to be added as well. He had made a real and significant contribution, even if his behavior (the whole lie about Johnson Matthey) takes away from it.


    I despise certain politicians, for example, but if one of them steps forward to disclose a radical new technology, I'll give them credit even if they appaul me in other areas.

  • Rossi is an extraordinary man, as well described by Marianne Macy in the early part of her piece. I too think it likely that his various E-Cats worked, if not as well as claimed.

    It is very difficult to bring an invention using new technology to being commercial and the inventor is often forced to do things that are dubious in order to move forward.

    I am not certain that Rossi has the solution, but I am certain his critics are wrong in being certain that he doesn't. They can't possibly know that.

    His actions look more like those of a driven inventor than someone setting out to commit fraud. Time will tell. Wait for more information.

  • Director,


    I can tell you do not know much about Doral. Nor do I think you care to know much more than his name dropping JM, even though that is only a small part of Rossi's deceitful, and dishonest behavior there. Fine. That is your choice. You are not the only one to take this path. The truth is out there for those like yourself that want it.


    Going forward, there will be other amateur/hobbyist scientists trying to understand, or replicate the "Rossi Effect". To me it is just the same Ni/H/D effect that was first introduced by Piantelli in 1991. It is still small, and unreliable. Call it what you will, all that matters to me is for you get to the bottom of it. End justifies whatever means, as far as I am concerned. If Rossi motivates you in your quest, then so be it.


    Amazing for me to say, but there may also be investors who are still tempted to partner up with Rossi. Or maybe he even has one now? According to Alan, they were lined up to meet with him at the Stockholm QX DPS, and Rossi himself said he has an investor now. As with you, Axil, AS, AA, Engineer48 etc. that is their choice. The facts about Rossi have been available to them, as to you, since the court documents were made available.


    Caveat emptor.

  • Rossi is an extraordinary man, as well described by Marianne Macy in the early part of her piece. I too think it likely that his various E-Cats worked, if not as well as claimed.

    It is very difficult to bring an invention using new technology to being commercial and the inventor is often forced to do things that are dubious in order to move forward.

    I am not certain that Rossi has the solution, but I am certain his critics are wrong in being certain that he doesn't. They can't possibly know that.

    His actions look more like those of a driven inventor than someone setting out to commit fraud. Time will tell. Wait for more information.


    Adrian,


    While the court documents were damning to Rossi, there were also some interesting nuggets in there that could support the theory he had, or has something, but it was/is small and unreliable like everyone else. For instance, document 167-02:


    https://drive.google.com/drive…Ktdce19-wyb1RxOTF6c2NtZkk

  • There is always a chance of bi-polar personality. So everybody can be right about Rossi.

    During the day Rossi A makes unsubstantiated statements to investors. Later at night Rossi B runs marathons as a punishment.

    Also explains the fact that sometimes Rossi speaks broken English but then posts elaborate writing about theory and future research plans. Case closed.

  • Empiricism is important to stick to if one is concerned to get to the truth of a technical or scientific matter. That is obviously and repeatedly precluded in this case. Once one steps beyond empiricism in this context, one is in the realm of faith. Faith has its place in life, but not in matters of science and technology.