Mats Lewan: Here is the Settlement

  • New interview of Rossi by Mats Lewan:

    In the settlement between Rossi and his US licensee IH, Rossi got the license back together with all E-Cat equipment and materials, while none of the parties will have to pay damages to the other. Getting the license back was his top priority all the time, Rossi explains in this interview.

    Regarding successful replications by IH:

    Andrea Rossi wrote:

    During the discovery phase, emails from Darden were provided and made public, where Darden himself confirmed to have replicated our process successfully. We also have testimonials from persons who have assisted at such replications. Woodford [Investment Management] assisted at one of those replications, after which it invested USD 50M in Industrial Heat, even before the [one-year 1MW] test started in Doral [Miami], at a time when IH obviously had nothing but our IP in its portfolio.

    Regarding the "empty reactor" test:

    Andrea Rossi wrote:

    Darden has said lots of things that he has never been able to prove. What he assures doesn’t exist. I always made experiments with reactors charged by me, or by me in collaboration with Darden. Never with reactors provided to me as a closed box, for obvious reasons.


    Mats seems to be positive about the latest developments and is thinking about his New Energy World Syposium which was cancelled last year:

    Mats Lewan wrote:

    Noting this I have also started investigating the timing for relaunching the energy conference I proposed in 2016—the New Energy World Symposium, addressing the consequences of LENR based technologies for industry, society, and finance.

  • (Lewan Article) :


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    “But during his deposition, Smith, after having insulted me and Penon [the independent controller], several times, saying that we were fraudsters and how can you say that with 32 l/h and 24 pumps you produce a megawatt, and so on, then he said something like ‘now I will show you the brochure of the pump, 120 pages of technical data,’ as if he wanted to show how much of an expert he was. Then you need to know that I have used these pumps for years and know the brochure by heart. I opened the brochure and looked at the page where I knew that the capacity was specified, and it saidminimum capacity at 2 bars pressure, 32 l/h.’ But in his report, Smith had written maximum capacity.

    “When he said this I could have reacted, asking if he had read the brochure, open it and make him read. But we preferred to remain silent, letting them being convinced that it had passed as true, just like when you have an enemy and you let him run and get himself pierced by your bayonet. I showed it to my attorney who laughed under his mustache, and we would then have brought it out at the trial. We would have destroyed them. Because half of Smith’s report talks about this and the other half about things that are related.


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    By the way, since you know these pumps, what capacity do they have at the actual pressure in the plant—about 0.2 bars?

    “About 75 l/h.”

  • So if Signor Rossi has his license back, there is nothing to stop him, or a different licensee, commercialising the ecat..


    Not going to happen, though, is it.


    And we'll wait in vain for any cogent reason to be given why a potential Quackex licensee might prefer a barrowload of matchstick-sized 20-watt gadgets to produce any useful amount of power.

  • If the settlement includes an NDA Rossi is in trouble.


    I doubt he got his license or the materials back. He is lying about that.



    Rossi would not have settled without getting the licence back.


    IH didn't value the licence and wanted to be done with Rossi.


    Rossi has been renaming the Quark X "E-cat QX", thus emphasizing that it is derivated from E-cat technology and therefore part of the licence agreement.


    Jed, your detective skills need a bit of sharpening.

  • Two important things regarding the information about cooling,


    1. "the roof was barely insulated"

    Did IH, when simulating include heat dissapation through the roof, What was the capacity to cool say a 10 degree temperature difference. I assumed from the IH statements that this figure

    was too low to play a significant role but what is it?


    2."Large open areas in the roof"

    Is this possible, how many square meters? But also what is important is the inlets to the room. Essentially when you calculate cooling through natural convection one need to know the

    inlet and outlet pressure drops as a function of flow through. Also the height between inĺet and outlet is important and of cause the room temperature at the limit what is acceptable. The driving

    of the flow is that warm air is lighter than cool air and as a result there is a pressure difference at the outlet (dp = rho g h). The issue with 1MW is that in many buildings, the pressure drop at the

    inlet and or outlet becomes so high that there will not remain any driving force to cool it naturally in which case forced flow needs to be used or an enlargement of inlet's and or outlets.

    Hmm

    Else it do look like Rossi want the technology for himself, and he likes to play games.

  • “I have undergone surgery for a skin tumor on the head and I cannot be exposed to sunlight. A normal wig is not shielding enough so this is a wig made of a material which has a very high capacity to reflect sunlight. I always need to keep this wig—a hat is not enough. But my health is perfectly good now.”


    Is there any topic for which Rossi doesn't feel the need to make up ridiculous nonsense? He could wear a hat lined with aluminum foil on the inside - not to keep the craziness from getting in, however, but perhaps for the opposite effect.

  • “I have undergone surgery for a skin tumor on the head and I cannot be exposed to sunlight. A normal wig is not shielding enough so this is a wig made of a material which has a very high capacity to reflect sunlight. I always need to keep this wig—a hat is not enough. But my health is perfectly good now.”


    Is there any topic for which Rossi doesn't feel the need to make up ridiculous nonsense? He could wear a hat lined with aluminum foil on the inside - not to keep the craziness from getting in, however, but perhaps for the opposite effect.


    interested observer ,


    Stop the venom, please.


    Even if somebody would feel the need to lie about the type of wig he or she is wearing, one has the darn courtesy to not question that story. What is wrong with you guys?


    Cheers,


    JB

  • Glad to see my earlier speculation that Rossi got his IP and sales license back, and that he would not work with IH again, has come to pass.


    It is time for the naysayers like Jed to start backpedaling about the E-Cat QX before the evidence that it exists (and works) is presented in back and white before their eyes.



  • Can't believe you bet your entire stack of Quatloo's on the above! Bankrupt!


    Interesting thoughts regarding the strength of Rossi's hand...

  • Glad to see my earlier speculation that Rossi got his IP and sales license back, and that he would not work with IH again, has come to pass.


    It is time for the naysayers like Jed to start backpedaling about the E-Cat QX before the evidence that it exists (and works) is presented in back and white before their eyes.

    Totaly agree with you ! This is a great victory for Rossi and a great defeat for all the anti Rossi trolls here !

  • Engineer48 • on ECW

    "HeHe.

    Be sure to read the additional documents:

    The document defining the terms of the settlement


    https://animpossibleinventi...

    Rossi’s notes addressing the Expert Report by Rick Smith.


    https://animpossibleinventi...

    Rossi’s notes regarding arguments raised by Joseph A. Murray.


    https://animpossibleinventi...

    The comments are priceless."


    With my poor eyesight I find it difficult to read Rossi's notes, particularly the ones in blue, but some may get a kick from them.

  • Some interesting snippets from Lewans interview:


    So you invented the technology used by JM?


    “Yes, I made all the technology, I invented their production plant, and I made the plant.”


    Can you describe the technology?


    “We produced substances with a very high added value. To do this we had to achieve an extremely high pressure inside small reactors that were introduced in larger tubes. The concept was to provoke contractions in certain materials, using heat exchange with the hot steam [from the E-Cat plant] and a pressure of a few bars but concentrating the force from the pressure on a larger surface, a few cm2, on much, much smaller surfaces, increasing the pressure proportionally. And this process consumed heat.“


    How much of the heat from the E-Cat did this process consume?


    “On average it consumed between 20 and 40 percent of the heat produced by the E-Cat plant. I had to learn from the experiment how much heat was necessary, because there were not any precedent analogous experiments to get data from.“


    So since it didn’t consume all of the heat from the E-Cat plant, you had to get rid of the excess heat in some way?


    “Yes, I didn’t have any experience of the process in the JM plant, so obviously I over-dimensioned everything to be sure to achieve the intended physical transformations. I didn’t know how much the plant would have consumed, so therefore I introduced a heat exchanger after the plant that could dissipate the eventual excess thermal energy, condensing the steam to water that could be sent back to the E-Cat plant. I designed the heat exchanger so that it could dissipate all the heat from the E-Cat plant, in the case of malfunctioning of the JM plant, since I didn’t want to stop the E-Cat plant, because I needed to make the famous 350 days of operation within 400 days [according to the license agreement].“


    So how much thermal power could the heat exchanger dissipate?


    “One megawatt.“


    And you didn’t have any photos of the heat exchanger?


    “No. I never take photos. I don’t need them. I never take pictures of my prototypes.”


    Rossi explained a couple of things with regard to the heat exchanger.


    A ‘circulator’ was used to stabilize the flow of steam and water through the whole system. Rossi wouldn’t comment on further data of the circulator since he said he was preparing a patent for this device.

    This circulator had nothing to do with a pump of the model ‘Grundfos’ that was brought up by the defense’s expert witness Rick Smith who suggested that the Grundfos pump was used to make hot water flow through the system and that no steam was produced. The real use for the Grundfos pump was instead to push the water through a by-pass with a filter about once a week to make it cleaner.


    Now, there’s much more to comment, but leaving all this behind, what are your plans now?


    “First there will be a very important presentation in Sweden and in the US. We can move much faster now, being free from a series of situations. My program is to start industrialization of a series of products, mainly the latest version of the E-Cat QX, in the US and in Sweden.”

  • Why would Rossi want back his license


    ecg,


    Maybe an equally good question is why IH was willing to walk away from what Rossi claims is a world changing technology? They not only gave all the IP back to Rossi, but it sounds like they are not even licensee's anymore in the North American market. Sounds to me they have not the slightest doubt there is nothing to hold onto.


    Honestly, I am happy on a few levels that IH did this, as Rossi now has no more excuses for one. He actually ran out of them (excuses) before IH came along, and IH bought him 3 1/2 more years. Now it is put up or shut up time for Rossi. Hesays he will move quickly in Sewden and the US. Let us see how quick. Should make Sifferkoll happy, as Hydrofusion is the Scandinavian distributor...yes, the same ones Rossi threw under the bus. A marriage made in heaven! :)


    Also, Rossi said last week he will never talk about the suit ever again, and true to form, broke his word by blabbing to Lewan. Not that I am unhappy he did so...as it gives us information we did not have before, but also because now IH can start blabbing away. Not that Darden would, but maybe Dewey will find the opportunity irresistible?


    And FTR, so anyone does not to have to ask me: I will be tickled if Rossi were to come through after all these years. Trust me on that. Do I think he will...hell no.

  • "Can you describe the technology?


    “We produced substances with a very high added value. To do this we had to achieve an extremely high pressure inside small reactors that were introduced in larger tubes. The concept was to provoke contractions in certain materials, using heat exchange with the hot steam [from the E-Cat plant] and a pressure of a few bars but concentrating the force from the pressure on a larger surface, a few cm2, on much, much smaller surfaces, increasing the pressure proportionally."


    Hmmm...so Rossi really produced something on that JMP side. I do not recall James Bass claiming to have ever seen a product come out...or did I miss that? He was there much of the day, right next to the JMP plant, so it would be kind of hard to miss it seems.


    Oh well, maybe someone could ask on JONP what this product was, and who bought it? While at it, ask him also when his patent for the "circulator" in the heat exchanger system will be filed?


    You know, this is going to be so much fun!

  • ....PS: I now know why Darden looked so serious. He must have thought: "the settlement seems like a cheap way out, but what if the darn technology works? I look like the biggest moron that ever existed if i now give it away and it is proven. Why the hell does Rossi want his license back"?

    OR Darden knows enough about technology and can send Rossi tu hell. He will continue with another slaves working for him. The same wanted Devkalion.

  • Ha Ha Ha. The Ecat people did not receive one single penny, not even legal fees, from their case. IH/Darden have stated at least once in the past that Ni-H LENR does not work and that they were abandoning all research into Ni-H. So, they had the case settled by relinquishing rights to IP they had already deemed worthless? This is priceless. I fully expect Ecat operations to soon go the way of Steorn and defkalion in terms of completely shutting down and going out of business. Or, because no one in their right mind would ever again invest in the Ecat without rigid University physics lab level independent testing after seeing IH being sued, the Ecat will just slowly fade from sight like so many of these CF like "inventions" with nothing but occasional talk resulting from it. Say my name.

  • Adrian Ashfield


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    It is time for the naysayers like Jed to start backpedaling about the E-Cat QX before the evidence that it exists (and works) is presented in back and white before their eyes.

    Really? When has Rossi **ever** presented "black and white" evidence of **anything**? All his tests are veiled in mistakes and misdirection -- take for example the use of supposedly dry steam to account for enthalpy when the best observations show the steam was wet and the method of measurement was deceptive.


    How quickly Rossiphiles forget the classical and iron clad evidence that Rossi is a chronic, inveterate liar. Or may he really did sell 13 megawatt plants to customers, several to the military, he can make cheap isotopes of nickel in his lab, etc. etc. and then there is this classic video by Lewan, annotated by Krivit, that everyone favoring Rossi seems to forget. The maestro caught flagrante delicto in the act of cheating:

    Hilarious entertainment!


    Adrian, I have to say, having seen your considerable background and qualifications (maybe here-- I am not sure where), I am disappointed that you are fooled by such a dumb, not to mention repetitive con which Rossi has been and is still running.

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    Why would Rossi want back his license and not some more USD to buy condo's?

    That's obvious, isn't it? In his mind, Rossi thinks he can flummox and bamboozle more investors. Fresh meat. And know what? There may be some dumb enough people out there with money. He would need his license back to fool the new recruits into paying him.


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    We can move much faster now, being free from a series of situations.

    Faster than 6 years of cons, frauds and lies? Oh, Joy!

  • Can't believe you bet your entire stack of Quatloo's on the above! Bankrupt!


    I think I lost all my quatloos on a similar bet (I didn't have any to begin with, because I hadn't made a bet in the previous round). Absent further information, I assume that IH have relinquished their license as claimed. It's hard to fathom writing off 11.5 million like that (and more, counting legal fees and costs incurred at Doral), but I guess VCs see this as part of the cost of business, and IH probably had their hands tied.


    This of course gives us information about the value and confidence that IH place in the E-Cat IP. It seems they (and/or Woodford) wanted to cut their losses and extricate themselves from the situation. I'm both depressed at where this money has gone and happy for IH for being able to move forward now.