Recent updates from Francesco Celani

1st Official Post

    Dr. Celani, It is rare to see you participating in a forum so I'd like to take advantage of it to ask you a few questions. I am also direct but I hope also polite and on issue.


    I have followed some reports of your work over the years and some things puzzle me greatly. Perhaps you can shed some light on these:


    1. Why not increase greatly the number of wires which are heated by a single heating element? The geometry I envision is to arrange the wires to surround the heating element and I think as many as 20 or even more wires could be distributed in this manner, perhaps on a ceramic framework in concentric sets. The result, if the wires function as you say, would be to produce much more heat out for a given amount of heat in.


    2. Why not employ a high precision mass flow calorimeter like the design by Giancarlo and associates found here: https://gsvit.wordpress.com/20…te-calorimetria-a-flusso/ It would seem that this type of calorimeter or perhaps a Seebeck effect calorimeter surrounding the entire experiment would give more credible result than a single or a few points of temperature measurement.


    3. Finally, if your wires make sufficient heat, it should be possible to construct an insulated container in which the wires would heat themselves. Then, all power input to the experiment could be stopped after initial heating at startup and the device would become "self-running". If it could do that for a long time, without fresh wires or other fuel, this would prove to anyone, including skeptics, that the source of heat was indeed a nuclear phenomenon. Control of the system to prevent thermal runaway or meltdown could be accomplished with coolant channels and a flow controller, possibly mediated via software like LabView.


    I would like to believe that your experiments really demonstrate fusion but thus far, I and many others are not convinced. Replication by an independent and credible source would also be very helpful. I am sure if you were able to follow the above suggestions and anomalous heat was still found, it would be easier to get support. Thank you for considering the above issues and thank you for adding to the value of this forum by your participation.


    As for Rossi, considering all the false claims he has made in the past, I do not think many people take him seriously any more about any of his claims, especially the extravagant ones he has made for his newest devices.

    Replay to post #278 from Mary Yugo.


    Dear Mary,

    the suggestion You kindly made at point 1) was PERFORMED starting from 14 February 2017 and ended at beginning of July.

    In short, we keep constant the amount, in mg (< 300), of 1 Constant wire (over 2) but we increased the surface (factor 2) and number of knots (over a factor 4).

    We observed, in respect to previous, quite similar experiment, an INCREASE of apparent power emitted (by thermometry) of the order of 30%, for input power larger than 40 W.

    The paper was presented at the recent "International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals" (IWHAC12), 4-9 June 2017, held near Asti (Italy) by Bill Collis. The paper is allowable on line and, if You are membership of Research Gate, You can download it there.

    If necessary, I can attach it in the replay; please, let me know.

    * BTW, the points of measurements were 3 external and 1 internal, not just 1.


    * About other questions/suggestions, we are working to further increase the number of wires: we will start measurements quite soon, I hope.


    Thanks for Your time and consideration,


    Francesco CELANI

    Dr. Celani,


    Thanks for the reply. I would appreciate a link to the actual paper. Some versions of it were posted here but they were difficult to follow. If an English document is not available, an Italian PDF document which can be copied to Google translate, would be appreciated. I am not a member of Researchgate but I can look into signing up.


    I understand that temperature measurements are easier than true calorimetry and that four points are better than one. And I would still encourage you to attempt true mass (or Seebeck envelope) calorimetry for better accuracy. Independent replication would be a big help in obtaining respect and credibility if it were done by a reliable and believable organization or individuals. Rossi, in my opinion, never provided that in more than six years of making claims.


    I appreciate your kind replies. I hope you will continue to read the forum. And please remain extremely skeptical about Rossi. Many of us (but not all) think he is simply a crook!

    Dear Colleagues,


    as requested, I add (in attachment) the presentation held at IWAHLM-12 and "stored" at Research Gate: it get a "record" about down-loading from Research Gate memberships and I got a virtual medal.....

    The document is in English Language, as usual.


    * BTW, most (95%) of the document was presented again, on 30 June, at an ITALIAN meeting on LENR held at the "Casa dell'Aviatore", side of Defence Ministry (Aeronautics), in Rome.

    Over 100 people attended the meeting: about 50% were not fully specialistic in LENR field, like Politicians, Army, Industrial, Journalist.

    During such meeting were added some further comments, taking advantage of the questions coming from the NOT- specialistic people.

    If useful,I can add such document, but added with some italian sentence of introduction/presentation/comment.


    Thanks again for Your attention,


    Francesco CELANI

    Thank you for the paper, Dr. Celani.


    One additional question and if it is already discussed in the paper, I regret the redundancy.


    Did you try to use a separate heater wire or coil -- separate from the modified constantan wire which generates the energy? And if so, did you measure the temperature of the heater and of the active wire to compare them? In such an experiment, during an active run, the constantan wire should be appreciably hotter than the heater wire. It should also be hotter than whatever medium or coolant surrounds it. If the temperatures are not, within reason, uniform along the length, then temperature readings could be taken from multiple places and averaged. If the use of thermocouples was not feasible, this may be a situation where a thermal camera could be appropriately used.


    The same issue applies to Rossi. Rossi could have placed temperature sensors on his heater and inside the powder which was supposedly making lots of excess power but far as I know he never did.

    • Official Post
    Quote from maryyugo

    Did you try to use a separate heater wire or coil -- separate from the modified constantan wire which generates the energy? And if so, did you measure the temperature of the heater and of the active wire to compare them? In such an experiment, during an active run, the constantan wire should be appreciably hotter than the heater wire. It should also be hotter than whatever medium or coolant surrounds it. If the temperatures are not, within reason, uniform along the length, then temperature readings could be taken from multiple places and averaged. If the use of thermocouples was not feasible, this may be a situation where a thermal camera could be appropriately used.


    Why not pay Dr Celani the courtesy of reading the paper before asking questions?

    Mathieu Valat's Mass Flow Calorimeter was developed specifically to test Dr. Celani's wires. Mathieu devoted well over a year to design and construct the system, with help from J-P Bibberian and support from National Instruments and Bronkhorst Tech.


    You can see the interim report on the system here:

    goo.gl/tl9NHz

    Work was temporarily suspended while the lab was moved, as previously discussed in another thread. Calibration and debugging was well under way before the move, and we hope this project can be resumed in the near future.

    Quote from maryyugo

    As for Rossi, considering all the false claims he has made in the past, I do not think many people take him seriously any more about any of his claims, especially the extravagant ones he has made for his newest devices.

    Quite interesting that you Mary the Historical Hysterical Enemy of LENR and of Rossi are so polite with Celani. Many people seem to take very seriously Rossi and the only "club" against him seem to meet here.


    Quote from Francesco CELANI

    Dear Colleagues,


    as requested, I add (in attachment) the presentation held at IWAHLM-12 and "stored" at Research Gate: it get a "record" about down-loading from Research Gate memberships and I got a virtual medal.....


    Dr. Celani are you sure that people like Maryugo are your colleagues ? What have you in common with them ? The only clear thing that I see here is that also you have the urgent necessity to discredit Rossi in order to promote your results.

    If you have to ally with your enemy to hope to get something means you must be really desperate. Anyway you have your virtual medal. :)

    Replay to Dr. Ahlfors, post #298.


    Dear Dr. Ahlfors, thanks for reading fully my presentation and sending (in attachment) the document of Dr. Hans Busch.

    I tried to understand the sentences but it is quite difficult for me because I don't understand enoughwell the (very important) German Language. I just have some very nice memory during my young age when several of my close friends at the beach, in Italy, come from Germany.


    * So, please, because i "feel" that the document could be quite important in the LENR field, try to find an English version or, even better, Italian one... and send to me.


    My best,

    Francesco CELANI

    Quote from Ahlfors


    Hans Busch: Über die Erwärmung von Drähten in verdünnten Gasen durch den elektrischen Strom


    Quote from Francesco CELANI

    I tried to understand the sentences but it is quite difficult for me because I don't understand enoughwell the (very important) German Language.


    Luckily with modern technology the cited text can be easily OCR'd.



    Google translation


    Replay to Ele, post #301.


    Dear Colleague Ele,


    for some aspects I am an old style Scientist: all the people involved in the same argument are, in my opinion, Colleagues.


    * We can have, obviously, quite different opinions in some specific arguments, but, if they behave like Civil Scientist, they are Colleagues.


    * At the end, I NEVER made bitter comments against Andrea Rossi, just I asked, several times, more details about his work that, I feel, could be useful in the LENR field.

    Please, read CAREFULLY my presentation at IWAHLM-12: I was "inspired", in the use of Constantan , just after attending the (famous) 11 January 2011 demonstration at Bologna.


    Thanks for your time and attention,


    Francesco CELANI

    Francesco CELANI



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    Why not pay Dr Celani the courtesy of reading the paper before asking questions?


    Because I am a crude skeptopath as opposed to a refined Rossiphile such as yourself. My previous disparaging remarks about the paper were made prior to Dr. Celani's kind appearance on the forum. That changes things. If the Swedish blind mice were to respond on this forum, I would greet them politely. I would extend politeness to anyone posting who does not insult me. That does not mean I might not disparage their views but even Rossi would be greeted kindly by me if had the gonadal fortitude to post here.


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    Quite interesting that you Mary the Historical Hysterical Enemy of LENR and of Rossi are so polite with Celani. Many people seem to take very seriously Rossi and the only "club" against him seem to meet here.


    I am not an enemy of LENR. I despise Rossi for further maiming the legitimate researchers in that field. The anti-Rossi club seems to include all his prior distributors and "customers". Rossi is a liar and a con man and I find no redeeming characteristics in him whatsoever. He even used children with cancer to promote his fraud. However, if he engaged us here politely, I would be polite with him. When Sean McCarthy, CEO of Steorn, engaged readers of Moletrap politely, he was asked difficult but respectful questions. When he gave duplicitous and deceptive answers and mocked the questioners, he was roundly called out as the sociopathic con man he is. It is up to the individual how they will be treated.

    magicsound

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    Mathieu Valat's Mass Flow Calorimeter was developed specifically to test Dr. Celani's wires. Mathieu devoted well over a year to design and construct the system, with help from J-P Bibberian and support from National Instruments and Bronkhorst Tech.

    You can see the interim report on the system here:

    goo.gl/tl9NHz


    Work was temporarily suspended while the lab was moved, as previously discussed in another thread. Calibration and debugging was well under way before the move, and we hope this project can be resumed in the near future.


    That looks very promising. I will study it carefully. It is encouraging to see proper scientific tools and equipment rather than the rusty junk offered by Andrea Rossi.


    Just to clarify a quick browsing:


    1) Are you heating the Celani wire by providing it with power or do you use a separate heater wire?


    2) And you will be testing only a single wire at one time?


    I also was wondering if you had considered working with this group or one or more of its members: https://gsvit.wordpress.com/composizione-del-gruppo/

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