​New E-Cat QX Picture and New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (Very high COP reported with Calorimetry)​

Quote from Alan Fletcher

How about Neutron beta-decay : electron and proton? (Admittedly the result is charge-neutral).

The electrons somehow come from particle decay. You say neutrons, I say muons. How many neutrons would turn into protons to produce a watt of electric power... About 10^20 neutrons per second. The LENR fuel would sooner or later become nuclear unstable with too many protons in the nucleus with few neutrons to keep the nucleus stable and there would be an increase in the heavy element assay of the fuel as light elements turned into heavier ones (aka high Z).

The term "high-Z" is used to refer to:

• Chemical elements with a high atomic number (Z) of protons in the nucleus

I say that muons come from the energy production generated by the LENR reaction as energy is converted into particles...muons. LENR produces little heat as compared to the vast number of muons that are generated from hadronization.

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Quote from SSC

I agree that the debate is fundamental in the scientific sphere and that this should normally follow an article and not precede it. In this case, however, the article is of a theoretical nature and there is only a reference to the experimental part. The experiment was not described in detail because it was not the purpose of the article that, I repeat, is focused on theoretical concepts. Perhaps another article will later come out where the experimental details will be described, or these explanations will be given to the October demo. In this case, filling in many forum pages on guesswork and assumptions seems a bit useless.

And has proven so right along as far as I can see.

Rossi doesn't need any help discrediting himself.

Quote from Eric Walker

Ok, let's run with this possibility for a moment. Suppose I write up a theoretical paper on the mean lifetime of K mesons and then include an appendix with two sections giving the bare outlines of the results of two experiments relating to an exciting and secret technology that will soon be on the market. One of the sections sets out claims about how the the core of the apparatus exhibits superconductivity at 1000 C. In introducing this section, have I given support to the theoretical discussion of the lifetime of K mesons and increased its overall credibility? Does the brief section in the appendix on superconductivity answer a question about K meson lifetime? Suppose the answer is "yes" in some vague sense if you squint your eyes. Does the section succeed in not raising more questions than it answers?

Surely the section raises more questions than it answers, and it is probably its purpose. Rossi is an entrepreneur who is about to present his new reactor to the whole world. He surely wants arouse much interest, since the next step will be to sell these items. It is therefore his interest to reveal enough of the new technology to get people's attention, but not enough to unravel his industrial secrets. I am sure that at demo, in the end of October, many things will be clarified, but others will remain hidden, because it is not in Rossi's interest to give up his discoveries. Even I would not do it.

Quote from maryyugo

If you're going to provide a clipping from a newspaper in Italian, it would be common courtesy to provide a translation in English or at least supply the source material as text which can be translated by Google. And for every article you can find that says Rossi was found not guilty of one charge or another, I can find 20 or more on Krivit's site which says he was found guilty of several Petroldragon related charges, those he escaped were mostly because statutes of limitations expired, and Rossi served appreciable time (years) in prison.

You've spent the last few years of your life doing the hound behind Rossi's tracks, but you've always stopped just about the news that interested you while avoiding the others. Your friend Krivit made the same, collecting a thousand articles about Rossi's troubles and nothing about his acquittal. Certainly you are able to read this article alone, since you've been able to read the ones that made you comfortable.

Quote from SSC

Surely the section raises more questions than it answers, and it is probably its purpose. Rossi is an entrepreneur who is about to present his new reactor to the whole world. He surely wants arouse much interest, since the next step will be to sell these items. It is therefore his interest to reveal enough of the new technology to get people's attention, but not enough to unravel his industrial secrets. ...

If what you describe is true, then the experimental section is marketing content, plain and simple, appended to the end of a scientific paper, presumably unknown to the primary author that this was the intent. As anyone with any trust or hope in the mission of academic science will readily agree, arXiv and academic papers are not suitable places for promotional literature. Perhaps if one's worldview lends itself to an ends-justify-means mentality, such a step, even if it was undertaken intentionally, will be viewed in a positive light.

Quote from axil

Even very recently, Rossi has confirmed that the QuarkX is producing a proportion of its COP as direct electric current but not enough to commercialize that format for energy production.

axil : Rossi made his claims a few days after R.Mills made public his SUN-CELL direct current conversion of XUV radiation (which needs much more technical knowledge than Mills thought/had at that time ...).

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Quote from axil

Any LENR system that is producing excess electrons is also producing muons.

The universe is charge neutral. Thus what about the counterpart of the electrons?? Who/what produces them???

If you have a nuclear process with about 1MeV excess energy that is available as a photon, then in the right environment a pair of electron/positron can be produced. If this happens inside a nucleus, then potentially a neutron will be converted into a proton and you get your excess electron. But so far no unusual (High energetic) beta-decays have been reported in LENR experiments.

Axil: It is time that you show us a concrete LENR reaction that produces muons. Holmlid is high energy physics! on a small space.

Quote from SSC

Surely the section raises more questions than it answers, and it is probably its purpose. Rossi is an entrepreneur who is about to present his new reactor to the whole world. He surely wants arouse much interest, since the next step will be to sell these items. It is therefore his interest to reveal enough of the new technology to get people's attention, but not enough to unravel his industrial secrets. I am sure that at demo, in the end of October, many things will be clarified, but others will remain hidden, because it is not in Rossi's interest to give up his discoveries. Even I would not do it.

SSC - entrepeneurs recognise first mover advantage and when they have clearly working disruptive new technology (Rossi's original LT-ecat demos, if you believe them) they do not spend 10 years developing different variants - they commercialise. That is especially important when (as in Rossi's case) the IP protection is unclear - there is no patent published that allows reproduction of the magic technology and hence any such secret is not securely protected (probably not protected at all).

So: if Rossi has something that works, and has as motivation entrepeneurship, he would bust a gut trying to commercialise.

Instead, he gains money from licensees he never see working product, and continually changes the design he is working on.

What does that tell you? I know what it tells me...

Quote from maryyugo

I am not an enemy of LENR. ...

No not at all. You are such a stalwart defender of it, never launching ill-conceived attacks against LENR researchers before reading their papers, never jumping to conclusions, always giving financial support to further the cause of truth, never banding together with other low-information types to lodge frivolous complaints with the authorities, or the like. We know, you're one of the best.

Quote from maryyugo

The same issue applies to Rossi. Rossi could have placed temperature sensors on his heater and inside the powder which was supposedly making lots of excess power but far as I know he never did.

As far as you know......

From the Lugano paper:

"A thermocouple probe, inserted into one of the caps, allows the control system to manage power supply to the resistors by measuring the internal temperature of the reactor. The hole for the thermocouple probe is also the only access point for the fuel charge."

"The E-Cat's control apparatus consists of a three-phase TRIAC power regulator, driven by a programmable microcontroller; its maximum nominal power consumption is 360 W. The regulator is driven by a potentiometer used to set the operating point (i.e. the current through the resistor coils, normally 40-50 Amps), and by the temperature read by the reactor's thermocouple."

Quote from Eric Walker

As anyone with any trust or hope in the mission of academic science will readily agree, arXiv and academic papers are not suitable places for promotional literature. Perhaps if one's worldview lends itself to an ends-justify-means mentality, such a step, even if it was undertaken intentionally, will be viewed in a positive light.

Eric, in my opinion the world is neither white nor black. If you are an entrepreneur and the product you want to sell belongs to the field of technological / scientific discoveries, it is normal for your interest to be both scientific and commercial. Rossi's invention is a reactor, so if he wants to describe it he will have to do it in places like Arxiv, certainly not on a recipe magazine. But this invention also has features that need to remain secret, so you can not expect an article that describes it and shows you all the details. Then, if the timing chosen (publication and then demo) has to do with marketing choices, I do not see what's wrong with it. Many fail to accept the fact that Rossi wants to sell his invention instead of transforming it into scientific disclosure. I believe instead that he has the full right to become rich thanks to the fruits of his efforts.

Quote from Shane D.

The way Rossi is going, he will have the most valuable industrial secrets in the cemetery.

What if it were? There are so many technologies that were used before fully understanding the theory that allowed them to work. This, however, did not prevent people from enjoying such objects. If someday I will have an E-Cat in my home that will make me save money but I will not know all the secrets of its operation ... well, I'll be happy the same!

Quote from THHuxleynew

SSC - entrepeneurs recognise first mover advantage and when they have clearly working disruptive new technology (Rossi's original LT-ecat demos, if you believe them) they do not spend 10 years developing different variants - they commercialise.

The reactor that was presented years ago may have turned out to be non-marketable at a more accurate study. An item to be sold does not just have to work, it must have other features like reliability, security, durability, etc. I do not know if Rossi's first reactors had all these features but if he preferred to develop new models instead of selling the first ones, I guess he has had his good reasons.

Quote from SSC

I do not know if Rossi's first reactors had all these features but if he preferred to develop new models instead of selling the first ones, I guess he has had his good reasons.

We can agree that he had his reasons.

Quote from SSC

As far as you know ......

From the Lugano paper:

"A thermocouple probe, inserted into one of the caps, allows the control system to manage power supply to the resistors by measuring the internal temperature of the reactor.

"The E-Cat's control device is a three-phase TRIAC power regulator, driven by a programmable microcontroller, its maximum nominal power consumption is 360 W. The regulator is driven by a potentiometer The resistance coefficient, normally 40-50 amps), and by the temperature read by the reactor's thermocouple. "

A thermocouple with a lower melting point than the internal temperature of the device, no less.

Another Rossi miracle.

Quote from maryyugo

As it is, most experts who viewed the IR images of various hot ecat experiments reported that the heater is the hottest portion of the entire device. Not what one expects if the fuel is reacting to provide power.

Simply not true--please provide a cite to the statements of your supposed "most experts." To the contrary, there were hot spots observed within the fuel.

Quote from Paradigmnoia

A thermocouple with a lower melting point than the internal temperature of the device, no less.

Another Rossi miracle.

That's the thing Para. The assertions you guys make are always based on faulty assumptions. Like, for example, that Rossi would insert the thermocouple into the center of the reacting fuel. This would make another great bet on the Augur prediction market: Did Rossi insert the thermocouple into the center of the plasma reaction of the QuarkX. Would you take that bet with me?