​New E-Cat QX Picture and New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (Very high COP reported with Calorimetry)​

  • IHFB,


    Trust me, I have no doubt that Rossi has nothing. Not playing mind games with you. I am so confident of that, I have even had to force myself to post lately...which after thousands of posts here, and ECN's the past 6 years, speaks volumes. Yes, I am that convinced Rossi is an out and out fraudster.


    The only reason I pay attention lately is out of habit, and to keep me from going back on crack.

  • @Shane: yes, you were a Rossi believer for a long time. But you never exhibited the venom towards heretics that is the earmark of the hard core, as you call them. You were always willing to argue on the basis of facts and supposed facts. I guess the remaining faithful are the people who have somehow equated defending Rossi with defending themselves. I suppose if you have abandoned rationality in favor of an illogical fantasy, you need to put up walls.

  • Sure, but the outside of the caps were in the 500 C range. The internal temp of the end caps will be somewhat hotter, but probably still well within the range of the thermocoupler used. Come to think of it, I think Rossi explained all of this on his blog long ago, which would be consistent with the patent application. (Although I can't seem to find the discussion on the blog at the moment.)

    ...600 C range, and double the diameter (insulation thickness) of the Main Tube, but with the fuel just mms away from the wire.

    Which also leads us to the Kanthal A1 calibrated resistance wire temperature problem.

  • ...600 C range, and double the diameter (insulation thickness) of the Main Tube, but with the fuel just mms away from the wire.

    Which also leads us to the Kanthal A1 calibrated resistance wire temperature problem.

    Para, you really can't help but FUD can you?


    Kanthal A1 has a melting point at 1500 C.


    The hot cat reactor is designed to operate in a range of 250-1200° C. The max measured temp in Lugano was ~1410. The reactor was designed such that the convective thermal exchange from internal to external is maximized, so the differential between internal and surface temp is probably negligible.


    Whereas the surface of the caps is smooth, the outer surface of the body of the device is molded in triangular ridges, 2.3 mm high and 3.2 mm wide at the base, covering the entire surface and designed to improve convective thermal exchange .... In this way, the current embodiment of the device 10 is capable of attaining higher temperatures than earlier models, avoiding internal melting...

  • So, once again, Para/THH FUD debunked.

    Of course one can't put a thermocouple inside the reactor because there is the risk that it melts. Remember also that Lugano was also a very long measure,

    So even the highest temperature TC are not suitable. http://www.omega.com/pptst/XC.html

    " The Nextel ceramic insulation is rated for 1200°C (2200°F) continuous use, or 1425°C (2600°F) short term"

    That why the thermocouple was on the cap.

  • Trust me, I have no doubt that Rossi has nothing. Not playing mind games with you. I am so confident of that, I have even had to force myself to post lately...which after thousands of posts here, and ECN's the past 6 years, speaks volumes. Yes, I am that convinced Rossi is an out and out fraudster.


    The only reason I pay attention lately is out of habit, and to keep me from going back on crack.

    If you really think that Rossi has nothing you are purposely ignoring many facts that have been shown even here.

    One of the many is, as also written by italianLayer,

    But let me say that a big and rich client signs such an agreement only if he thinks he could loose... Otherwhise it's better to celebrate the trial...

    So Is quite evident even from a Legal point that Rossi had a victory and that means that he has something.

    And some the people here is attacking Lugano hiding that there were other successful tests. e.g. Ferrara .

  • @Shane: you are using common sense to argue with a Rossi believer. That has been extensively demonstrated to be of zero utility. Why bother?

    Oh yeah. People like you have no common sense but an agenda.

    BTW I look at facts, and I'm not a believer. Notably using lateral thinking one can conclude that Rossi has something because there are people that pass great part of their day writing against him.

    Is evident that this for them is no more a hobby or an interest but a work.

    And work is paid, probably by IH.

  • BTW I look at facts, and I'm not a believer. Notably using lateral thinking one can conclude that Rossi has something because there are people that pass great part of their day writing against him.

    Is evident that this for them is no more a hobby or an interest but a work.


    So: the fact that anyone on this forum argues for Rossi being a lying cheat proves he must in fact having a working device which will solve the world's energy problems means said device must work?


    Does the same apply to BLP, Steorn, Papp, etc, etc...?

  • This discussion seems to have degenerated somewhat.


    I'd like to know more about Signor Rossi's Quackex.


    Like is it possible to maintain an energetic plasma under the conditions described?


    How much current could pass through such a plasma? How could it be measured?


    Would it be interesting to put a power meter across the input power supply to check what power was being delivered to the system, rather than making dubious calculations from incomplete data? Seems more sensible than messing about with 1-ohm resistors and cheap voltmeters


    (I hope and trust that any potential investor in the Quackex would insist on that as a minimum before even opening discussions)


    And lastly, I am still clinging to the vain hope that someone will explain to me why an industrial user with a requirement for hundreds of KW of heat would prefer a system of hundreds of tiny units as opposed to say a system of 4 x 250 KW ecats

  • And lastly, I am still clinging to the vain hope that someone will explain to me why an industrial user with a requirement for hundreds of KW of heat would prefer a system of hundreds of tiny units as opposed to say a system of 4 x 250 KW ecats


    It quite simple actually as the believers will tell you....... Rossi said so! That is all the "facts: they need! :whistling:

  • I think we can safely assume that you do not fall into the 'working device ' category.


    It must be frustrating for you: who from various nods and winks here I suppose sincerely believe that Rossi does have working devices. How annoying that every one of his demos has such obvious error mechanisms lying around fro anyone with a curious mind to find. That IH with an inside track and given working devices proclaim, after changing from Rossi's tests to others done by technically competent 3rd parties, that they just don't work at all!


    If he has working devices, Rossi must be both incredibly unlucky and incredibly good at shooting himself in the foot - while also good at becoming a multi-millionaire accumulating condos.

  • @THH: Next time you should complete the list with ITER / SUPER-Phenix (German Diesel..) and other main stream mind-blowing concepts...


    The thing is W, ITER etc publish high quality experimental science which is coherent and describes precisely how well their stuff works. Further, no-one makes claims inconsistent with that.


    You may think what theyb do a waste of resources, but it is transparent and honest.


    Unlike the people on my list who are the opposite of transparent and make claims for experiments they have done that are unsubstantiated.

  • You may think what theyb do a waste of resources, but it is transparent and honest.


    Unlike the people on my list who are the opposite of transparent and make claims for experiments they have done that are unsubstantiated.


    @THH: Spoiling 50 Billions of public money is honest, if you write a report how it has been vaporized ???

    (Even if there is known proof that Deuterium/Tritium hot-fusion never will work in costs, because the Neutron shield cannot be payed for!??)


    And you express deep concerns for a money laundry company, that spoiled 11.5 (+5.5 AEG) millions?

  • the fact that anyone on this forum argues for Rossi being a lying cheat proves he must in fact having a working device which will solve the world's energy problems means said device must work?


    Well we can call it an indirect clue based on lateral thinking. It means that Rossi has enemies that are motivated to fight him at any cost. And this means that Rossi should be a real threat for those people meaning that Rossi has something.

    They don't fight any fool (e.g. flat earth society https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/ ) they fight Rossi because the technology Rossi is real.

    And who sustain Rossi do it for the same reason.

    Does the same apply to BLP, Steorn, Papp, etc, etc...?


    With your question you provide even more evidence. In fact who remember BLP, Steorn, Papp ecc... ? They are forgotten because they were out of reality. (I was not even able to find BLP on google. )

  • And lastly, I am still clinging to the vain hope that someone will explain to me why an industrial user with a requirement for hundreds of KW of heat would prefer a system of hundreds of tiny units as opposed to say a system of 4 x 250 KW ecats

    I do not believe either system exists but . . . to answer your question, if the reactor made of small units is more reliable, better controlled, or has other advantages, users would prefer it. In the modern era, small sized, mass produced components are not difficult to make, expensive or less reliable than large components. As I mentioned before, a modern electric car has many battery cells. A fission reactor has many fuel rods, each containing many small pellets.


    Multiplicity of components is not a problem. It would have been 50 to 100 years ago, when manufacturing was manual rather than robotic. When computer RAM memory was made of individual magnetic cores, adding components increased the cost and complexity of RAM. The cores were originally threaded by hand, and later by machines as I recall, but it was always difficult. With semiconductor RAM millions (and now trillions) of devices are fabricated simultaneously with photolithography. The cost does not increase proportionally with the number of memory cells. When you double the amount of RAM on a computer chip of roughly the same die size, the cost may increase but it will probably not be twice as high, whereas adding more magnetic cores always increased the cost proportionally.


    Here is a late model 1024-bit planar core memory that hangs on my wall. You can see it is a combination of discrete components and mass produced circuit board technology. This is a scanned image. Click on the image to see the entire device. It is square, 10.5 cm per side.


    lenr-forum.com/attachment/2559/


    Here is a close-up of the magnetic cores, at 1200 dpi. You can see the manufacturing imprecision.



  • The thing is W, ITER etc publish high quality experimental science which is coherent and describes precisely how well their stuff works. Further, no-one makes claims inconsistent with that.


    You may think what theyb do a waste of resources, but it is transparent and honest.

    They transparently and honestly take the tax payers to the cleaners. And guarantee their lives of financial stability including in retirement, with any benefit to the public being always 50 years in the future. I'm tired of the scam. LENR. And if not LENR, solar.

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    Well we can call it an indirect clue based on lateral thinking.

    ROTFWL! Oh yeah! And supported by ALTERNATIVE FACTS!


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    Multiplicity of components is not a problem.

    Generically true but misses the point. How do you control and assemble, not to mention cool and extract energy from as well as, if you believe Rossi, take heat and electricity away, oh and... it does require a DC supply (why?) And there are 50,000 tiny devices CONTAINING A PLASMA to make a megawatt plant?! As someone else noted, why (oh WHY?) would someone do this when he can assemble 4 compact 250kW ecats to get the same power with what Rossi claims is a cheap to make, cheap to fuel, simple and well tested technology?

  • And lastly, I am still clinging to the vain hope that someone will explain to me why an industrial user with a requirement for hundreds of KW of heat would prefer a system of hundreds of tiny units as opposed to say a system of 4 x 250 KW ecats

    According to Rossi, many of the small E-Cats in the 1 MW plant didn't work and he is disassembling them to find out why. You may remember the earlier public demo of a 1 MW plant that only produced about half a MW. He has problems with the 250 kW units too, so they were not yet fit for commercial sale. So it appears that the E-Cat QX is more reliable and has a higher COP (Not to mention a more useful higher temperature.) Both Rossi and his customers would rather go with the improved design.


    A self sustained plasma has been demonstrated by Mills of BLP as well as Rossi with his E-Cat QX. It is easy to measure the current going through it and the method of using a 1 ohm resistor and two voltmeters is quite adequate to do so. He says it runs in ssm 67% of the time.


    Now if you are like many on this forum who don't believe anything Rossi says there is no point is having a discussion. The fact remains that he has has improved his demonstrations over the years. His last one with a heat exchanger, described by Mats Lewan, shows that he has nearly got it right (one water temperature was measured too close to a heat source) and I suppose he has learnt from that criticism and will be more careful with the October demo.


    I'm not going to speculate how that demo will go until after seeing it. What the libelous critics need t o explain is why Rossi spends so much time and money on developing the E-Cat when he could have retired with enough money for the rest of his life. It's not as if he is trying to extract money from the public. Big companies should be able to do due diligence.

  • FTFY

    How annoying that every one of his demos has such obvious error mechanisms lying around fro anyone with a curious mind to find speculate about based on faulty premises, only to be later debunked by IHFB and others.


    Name one error mechanism (not off-hand blog comment only tangentially related to errors) that you have debunked?


    What you are good at is giving the counterarguments to speculations such as Paradigmnoia here that a specific experiment was inconsistent because a TC would have melted. There are many other such speculations from Doral.


    Proving any of those speculations is a tough call, given limited evidence.


    Showing that they cannot be proved (as you try and sometimes succeed in doing) is not debunking error mechanisms. For rhetoric purposes you do what Rossi does, and take experiments that prove nothing as success. From Rossi's POV they are that.


    To debunk error mechanisms, for example, you'd need to show that TC's paper was wrong.

  • If the outside of the Main Tube was around 1410 C, then the below the ridges, under the ceramic potting compound, (where the wound heating coil is), the temperature is higher.


    The caps have more insulation, and even with a cooler outside temperature, will have a very high core temperature. Remember, three sets of glowing hot wires pass around the inner fuel tube filler area (and extend past it), beneath 1.5 cm of cast alumina.


    For a fun test, heat a Kanthal A1 wire 1400 C (at an un-insulated section), while 4 cm of it are encased in 1.5 cm of hardened alumina paste. Then try encasing 4 cm of it in 3 mm of alumina paste (use a new wire for this).


    Note that surface convective improvements have minor effects on surface temperature compared to the radiative power dissipation unless the overal surface area is increased by multiples rather than fractional increases. The fins on the Lugano device contribute little to the overall cooling.

  • A question: if Rossi's reactor gets so hot, why does it require continuing electrical heating to keep on "working". Why not simply shut off the heater when the reactor gets hot on its own? And get a COP of infinity? Control it by forced cooling-- forced energy extraction. If it's supposedly unsafe to cut off what Rossi hilariously used to call his "safety heater" (which makes no sense), take it out in the desert.