​New E-Cat QX Picture and New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (Very high COP reported with Calorimetry)​

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How do you control and assemble, not to mention cool and extract energy from as well as, if you believe Rossi, take heat and electricity away, oh and... it does require a DC supply (why?) And there are 50,000 tiny devices CONTAINING A PLASMA to make a megawatt plant?!

I do not think the device exists, so this is a hypothetical question. However, I do not see why it would more difficult than controlling thousands of fuel rods and control rods in a fission reactor, or thousands of small battery cells in an electric car. A robotic plant could manufacture thousands of small plasma devices in a single permanent array, with integrated control electronics.

Vacuum tubes are plasma devices. Toward the end of the vacuum tube computer era, there were reliable machines with tens of thousands of tubes. If the technology had been further developed, with small tubes integrated into a single memory or logic device, that device would be highly reliable. We know that because, in fact, that's what happened. Charles Spindt of SRI and others developed chips with thousands of microscopic integrated vacuum tubes, in microscopic holes, for specialized high speed signal processing. For a while, flat panel displays used similar technology.

As I said, if we pretend these Rossi devices actually exist then . . . Assuming the plasma devices has significant advantages over the macroscopic single reactor e-cat gadgets, the customers would migrate to the small plasma one over time, just as Tesla has migrated to automobile batteries with many cells. Your feeling that macroscopic devices are inherently easier, cheaper or more reliable is based on 19th can 20th century manufacturing technology.

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A question: if Rossi's reactor gets so hot, why does it require continuing electrical heating to keep on "working". Why not simply shut off the heater when the reactor gets hot on its own?

Again, Rossi's reactors are only electric heaters. They don't produce excess energy. However, in some actual cold fusion devices, heat is a method of control. You drive up the reaction power by heating, or you quench it by cooling. In these experimental cells you have to supply electrical heat continuously because they are not well insulated and they lose heat too quickly in normal circumstances. However, if the reaction goes out of control into self-sustaining mode (which is called "heat after death" in cold fusion lingo), you can turn off the external heat source. It will continue on its own for hours or days. This is convincing proof that the reaction is real, because it simplifies the calorimetry. You don't need to subtract input power. However, as a technology, it would be dangerous. Or at least annoying.

We would not want a practical cold fusion power reactor to go into heat after death mode.

An energy source that you cannot turn off, such as a burning pile of coal, is not ideal. It is better to crush the coal to powder and inject a small amount at a time, which is how a modern coal-fired plant works. (That method has other advantages.)

Quote from Shane D.

If he were a "normal entrepreneur" he would have started selling the 1MW's by now. Instead he has shelved them for what hes says is a lack of customer interest, as they now supposedly want the QX. I find that very hard to believe.

I don't find it strange at all. Whenever a new I-Phone model comes out on the market, people are ready to throw the previous one into the garbage, though it is still working perfectly. Anyone going to make a purchase is always oriented towards the latest model, whatever they are buying. Once have known about the existence of the QuarkX, it does not surprise me that some potential customers may have shown more interest in it.

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@Shane: you are using common sense to argue with a Rossi believer. That has been extensively demonstrated to be of zero utility. Why bother?

You could create your own forum and invite only Rossi-haters to participate. It would be a nice "common sense" hideout, you could give each other so many pats on your shoulder and compete to find the one who insults Rossi in a more explicit way. A nice place to vent your aggression, much better than going to the gym.

SSC, do you deny that Rossi has repeatedly lied about many many things over the past 6 years? If you do, then my comment about common sense applies to you in spades. If you are the more nuanced Rossiphile who simply conjures up rationalizations for Rossi's lies ("that's what entrepreneurs/businessmen/inventors/IP protectors/overly enthusiastic Italians do"), then you are just plain silly.

As for aggression, I really can't confess to any. This whole thing is quite amusing to me, to be honest, and aggression is pretty much the last thing it brings out in me. Mostly, it is hard to resist pointing out the absurd mental gyrations Rossi believers go through in order to cling to their fantasy. Perhaps it is not very nice to expose such foolishness, but it isn't aggression. As for hating Rossi... nah. I hate what he does and so should you and anyone else with any integrity. But I don't know the guy and hope I never meet him. I just wish he would go away.

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Mostly, it is hard to resist pointing out the absurd mental gyrations Rossi status quo believers go through in order to cling to their fantasy miserable existence and dim view of the future.

FTFY

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I just wish he would go away.

I'm very sorry to break the news to you. That won't happen--well, at least not until mortality has its way.

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I don't find it strange at all. Whenever a new I-Phone model comes out on the market, people are ready to throw the previous one into the garbage, though it is still working perfectly. Anyone going to make a purchase is always oriented towards the latest model, whatever they are buying. Once have known about the existence of the QuarkX, it does not surprise me that some potential customers may have shown more interest in it.

SSC this is a bad analogy - for you - because it shows up the absurdity of your position.

Suppose no-one has ever used a smartphone. None exist. No-one knows how to make them.

Now consider an investor given a demo of an i-phone 5 - fully tested, with long-term test showing reliability (so Rossi and I guess you would claim) available for commercialisation NOW.

or...

i-phone 6. Still under development. Sort of works but only in lab and Rossi cannot say how long it will be before he has a proper demo for investors, let alone a commervial product.

Now - which of those two is more attractive? And why, for God's sake, would you care about the difference between i-phone 5 and 6 when introducing an i-phone to a world that had never had smart phones before?

Mea culpa, fanboy. It does take some absurd mental gyrations to ignore those robotic factories, military customers, deals with major corporations around the world, heated factories, satisfied customers, magical production of Ni62, and so on. Only a miserable pessimist would even suspect that these things were not real. So sorry.

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Mea culpa, fanboy. It does take some absurd mental gyrations to ignore those robotic factories, military customers, deals with major corporations around the world, heated factories, satisfied customers, magical production of Ni62, and so on. Only a miserable pessimist would even suspect that these things were not real. So sorry.

That's okay. Apology accepted. I suggest you hang out on futurist forums over on Reddit. It should lighten your mood a bit.

Pretty hot Mary. Just like you.

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Suppose no-one has ever used a smartphone. None exist. No-one knows how to make them.

Now consider an investor given a demo of an i-phone 5 - fully tested, with long-term test showing reliability (so Rossi and I guess you would claim) available for commercialisation NOW.

or...

i-phone 6. Still under development. Sort of works but only in lab and Rossi cannot say how long it will be before he has a proper demo for investors, let alone a commervial product.

Now - which of those two is more attractive? And why, for God's sake, would you care about the difference between i-phone 5 and 6 when introducing an i-phone to a world that had never had smart phones before?

If you're comparing the I-Phone 5 to the 1MW I think you should not have to use the term "available for commercialization". One-year test was over and the plant worked overall, but Rossi have had to intervene often to do various maintenance, repairing leaks and malfunctions. Moreover some reactors in the plant have never worked and Rossi is still trying to figure out why. The test life has allowed Rossi to understand what the weaknesses of the plant are, and now he will have to intervene to apply the improvements if he finds it useful. And with regard to I-Phone 6 (QuarkX) you could consider it a laboratory prototype in 2015, when Rossi first mentioned it, while now it is a product that is going to be presented and is therefore in a much more advanced state. Anyway, most people who want to buy a technological innovation are more interested in the number 6 model than those with lower numbers, even if we talk about a new technology. It is a psychological attitude on which market law is based.

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Oh for cripes sake, the so-called megawatt plant was until very recently nothing but a grotesque collection of cobbled together pieces of crap that Rossi called ordinary ecats -- 50 or even 100 of them at one time. The supposedly latest reincarnation with six modules, far as I know, has never been seen pretending to run by anyone yet. Rossi has talked about being ready for market since 2011 when he supposedly had 12 + sales of the "plants". And according to Rossi, he was holding back the consumer version only because it needed "certification" by mystery certificators who were ever so busy doing the work... in 2012. I guess certificators must do a very slow process. How anyone can still believe the low level garbage that is Rossi's scam is absolutely mystifying. One must really have to work at that hard to rationalize for Rossi's obvious errors and plentiful, constant lies.

Mary,

You simply cannot argue faith with the faithful.

Rossi fanatics are the church of Scientology.

Logic and reason are countered with faith in their leader, you cannot win this argument.

MY - the funniest thing going is that R apparently still wants to gang up his new creation into a 1MW system.

I have to say that I enjoy that more than any of the other tragic-comic deliciousness. There must be a need for that kind the take-off power assistance

for PetrolDragon II. The book sequels write themselves.

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MY - the funniest thing going is that R apparently still wants to gang up his new creation into a 1MW system.

Dewey Weaver : “1M” This must be an infection/disease most money-hungry people suffer from.

All bankers/finance people I know talk in 1M buck units. Smaller units are never mentioned. Just wait for AR talking about tankers or moon-rakers.

Banking Wyttee? - you know that R loves his 1MW systems - its been his dream to sell one for years which he finally managed to pull off. It got turned off all at once and it remains another howler that we never heard a peep about the loss of magic from the "customer". How does the song go - its better to rust out than to fade away.

Quote from maryyugo

But perhaps not quite so easily with a pencil thin device running at 2600 degrees C. And fictitious to boot.

Being fictitious is indeed an impediment. Although it gives the designer great flexibility with what we call "open specifications." Like the force fields and anti-gravity drives in science fiction, you can make it do whatever you like.