NASA: New Paper about Experimental Progress

  • "That work resulted in a highly sensitive and proprietary intellectual property that has been a subject of multiple patent applications filed and jointly owned by the Government. Description of the supplies or services required, include an estimated value: I recommend that GRC negotiate only with PineSci Consulting for development of highly advanced theoretical models <redacted>"…lications?pubType=article

  • Paper presenting experimental results included in NASA US20170263338 application.

    this paper is very interesting, deserving it's own thread IMHO.

    It is not LENR as F&P have seen, but it seems an interesting anomaly ate mild energies, not far from Holmlid, Igekami...

    the decay observed

    the transmutations observed may be

    Er Z=68 A=166,168,167,170,164,162

    Er-> 163Er

    Er-> 171Er

    Mo Z=42 A=98,96,95,92,100,97,94,

    Mo-> 99Mo

    Mo-> 99m Tc


    Mo-> 99Tc (from 100Mo? after beta-)

    Hf Z=72 A=180,178,177,179,176,172

    Hf-> 180m Hf


    of course the only observed istopose are the radioactive one (some are excited state).

    Er is interesting as both too heavy and too light reason to decay are observed, and given the abondance of stable , it seems that simplest possibility is one neutron absorbed...

    for me it could explains all...

    very different from iwamura experiments where it is 2/6/6 d added to a nucleus.

  • "[On Jan. 12], Larsen told New Energy Times that he spoke with both NASA employees by phone to help them learn about LENRs and his theory.

    “I spent six months tutoring Zawodny so he had the basics of the theory,” Larsen said.

    Larsen told New Energy Times that Bushnell and Zawodny also led [Larsen] to believe that NASA might provide some funding for his company [Lattice Energy LLC].

    “In a series of telephone calls I had during the spring and summer of 2008 with Zawodny and Bushnell, they dangled a carrot ­- the possibly of significant funding from NASA,” Larsen said. “I told them that I was wiling to teach them the basic physics but I would not transfer Lattice’s proprietary knowledge about how to use nanotechnology to improve the reliability of LENRs without having a contract.

    “I told them, ‘Under contract, I will show you how to make transmutations every time, but I will not show you how to reliably make large amounts of heat.’

    “In January 2009, after an internal NASA meeting, Bushnell and Zawodny informed Lattice that they would not be funding us but they would welcome any free advice we wanted to offer NASA. We declined.” "

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    In January 2009, after an internal NASA meeting, Bushnell and Zawodny informed Lattice that they would not be funding us

    My guess: Both of these people are burned out because they went out on a limb about various high power LENR claims and none ever panned out. (sorry about the cliches)

  • This is an interesting anomaly but far from LENR and not actually v impressive.

    2.26MeV photons photodissociate deuterium to make free neutrons which even if v low energy would react to make other products.

    They find evidence (measured via neutron counts, expected transmutations, and controlled) of neutrons when deuterium-in-metal is hit with a photon beam 15% below this threshold...

    I'm not certain how they check the beam is monoenergetic - the endpoint test maybe does this or maybe would be insensitive to low levels of higher energy.

    Or there will always be nonlinearities in the lattice propagation that allow (at low levels) the generation of harmonic photons, e.g. double energy.

    We could determine more if they had a good test of product amplitude vs beam energy, but I guess they cannot easily tune beam energy.

    What is notable is how solid the evidence of nuclear reactions is here when compared with LENR data.

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  • I thought this was big news. Enough so maybe to make it into some of the standard online tech/science sites, i.e. Pop Sci. Sci Am, Science Digest, etc. Nothing far. Yes, it is just a patent application, but this is NASA! They even make an effort to avoid saying LENR. Nothing stopping this from being reported on.