Demonstration of the E-Cat QX - 24 November - Summary thread

Quote from Argon

Like in this moment (see around 2:31 mark Rossi flipping switch INSIDE the case of controller box.)? Well there would be lot of opportunities to do many manually or automatically (controller could automatically switch mode by sensing the load impedance/resistance ratio. QX containing Resistor+Capacitor or Coil and MATS used just resistors, ).

In my opinion this was just demo to prepare what is cooking in Rossis Lab if he really has something. I can't imagine many professional companies, that would give a dime without proper verification first. So why even bother if he does not have anything.

It is interesting to speculate and rewind videos back and forth, but I'm going can still sit on the fence until some real verification is done.

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yup, it looks at the minute 2:31:19 sound and gesture are clear.

We all know it is easy to make measuring of COP for this E-Cat. The question is why it´s not done?

All what we want see are facts. And what is now with sigma 5? Rossi have pantents for e-cat and Rossi effect, why he is hiding facts? There is no reason to do this. He is hiding facts since 6 years. Why? Why no busines with e-cat?

Quote from Adrian Ashfield

No matter how good the experiment the skeptics will stick to their belief that Rossi is a fraud until working units are on sale.

Most of the people you call "skeptics" (such as me) are convinced that cold fusion is real. We were convinced by experiments alone. There are no working units on sale. So, what you say is completely wrong. Thousands of people believe cold fusion is real but they do not believe Rossi. You ignore all of these people.

If Rossi had done a proper experiment proving his devices are real, he would have gotten $100 million from I.H. By now hundreds of thousands of people would believe his claims. He could get billions of dollars more for the other world markets. As you see in the Penon report, he did a terrible experiment instead. A farce. Many tests were done prior to that by I.H. and others. They showed no sign of excess heat. In one case, Rossi's calorimetry showed excess heat in an empty cell. Unless you claim that air produces excess heat, that was a mistake. Instead of improving his methods, Rossi was angry when they showed him the cell was empty.

Quote from Bruce__H

What is the role of the plasma? Is it necessary for the generation of the excess heat or is it a byproduct of the heat?

The plasma is called a cold dusty plasma because it supports the production of nanoparticles. In the plasma a cycle of nanoparticle formation, then excitation, then melting back to plasma is maintained. The first part of the cycle, the nanoparticles are excited by the high voltage arc, they then produce the LENR reaction, and they finally melt back down into a plasma. In this way, the reactor is continually melting down and then cooling back down to the nanoparticle condinsation state.

The same process of nanoparticle formation, melting and reformation happens in the SunCell where the nanoparticles form at the edge of the plasma ball. The nanoparticles then are activated by the arch and return to the plasma state.

The temperature of the plasma is a function of the material used to form the nanoparticles. It is my guess that the aluminum is material that supports nanoparticle formation. The boiling point of aluminum is 2470C. Which seems to be the median temperature that the QX runs at.

Mills uses silver which boils at 2162C.

When Mills used tungsten, the SunCell ran far too hot at 6000C. The SunCell containment structure deteriorated under this high heat and eventually failed.

This process of high temperature plasma ball formation (ball lightning) was researched by Ken Shoulders and the plasma balls that contained the nanoparticle clusters are called EVO.

See this post for more background

The process by which the proton decays in LENR

Quote from Alan Smith

I did say before I went that this demo (not a test) would prove very little. It could no be any other way in 2 hours and with not visibly independent test/measurement.

Seems from 6:52 to 19:30 in the video presentation, they mis-spelled

the word "demo" in the phrase "demo protocol".

In fact, they only got one letter right.

The "e" after the "T" and before "st".

LesLes

Quote from can

La section expérimentale de l'article de Gullström-Rossi décrit sommairement un appareil en principe semblable à celui de la démonstration, où il y avait:

Rossi should improve this device's stage by probably using a central wire and external wall of QX to switch 2 old nickel rods.

In all cases, he's new device should run because already patented by Lipinski see: P66/90

Quote from Argon

Like in this moment (see around 2:31 mark Rossi flipping switch INSIDE the case of controller box.)? Well there would be lot of opportunities to do many manually or automatically (controller could automatically switch mode by sensing the load impedance/resistance ratio. QX containing Resistor+Capacitor or Coil and MATS used just resistors, ).

What he said after 2:31:19 (in Italian) was interesting, but I think he simply toggled the main switch of the power supply.

Pictures from http://www.sifferkoll.se/siffe…emo-in-stockholm-cop-550/

Quote from can

Apparently, according to Lewan (Rossi) the "real" size of the plasma is 0.6 mm x 0.08 mm (millimeters). It's very small.

At 1:57:00 in the "live stream" video.

It is measured in cm in the video (at 2:27:00 in the link above), so is 0.6 cm X 0.08 cm.

Not sure if that includes the circumference of the plasma.

If includes circumference: 13.1 W

If 0.08 cm is diameter: 41.2 W

Paradigmnoia

Try to internet-translate this excerpt that I transcribed starting from 1:32:54 in the video:

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[1:32:54]

[Rossi] Hai fatto una presentazione molto incredibile (?) molto intelligente.

[Lewan] Bene! Ho dimenticato di dire che il plasma neutro... che il plasma è neutrale.

[Rossi] Ci penso io.

[Lewan] Le dimensioni del reattore, hai detto qualcosa di strano, hai detto zero punto...

[Rossi] 0.8 millimetri, perché il centimetro cubo sono gli impa…(?) le vere dimensioni del reattore, le vere dimensioni, sono 0.6 mm di lunghezza e 0.08 mm di diametro.

[Lewan] Millimetri?

[Rossi] Millimetri, sì.

[Lewan] Ma che cos'è?

[Rossi] È un capello.

[Lewan] Il plasma?

[Rossi] Sì.

[Lewan] Non è la luce che vedi, è molto più piccolo?

[Rossi] Sì, molto più piccolo, molto più piccolo. […]

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Based of the theory provided in post 388, I beleive that the temperature of the plasma in the QX varies based on the point in time in the nanoparticle formation cycle when the temperature is taken. If the temperature was blackbody, then the spectrum would constantly change as the temperature of the plasma cycled. Rossi is assuming a constant temperature which is incorrect. The spectrum of the plasma should show intense UV light generation just as happens in the Mills SunCell. The SunCell and the QX use the same reaction mechanisms and behave the same.

To draw a point of comparison, one of my favorite dusty plasma systems is this:

HIGH-ENERGETIC METAL NANO-CLUSTER PLASMOID AND

ITS SOFT X-RADIATION

Klimov A., Grigorenko A., Efimov A., Sidorenko M.,Soloviev A., Tolkunov B., Evstigneev N., Ryabk ov O

http://www.newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf

This system also uses aluminum that is vaporized in an electric arc. The vapor forms nanoparticles as the vapor produced by the arc cools whereupon the EMF from the arch activates and excites the nanoparticles wherein the LENR reaction sets in.

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Paradigmnoia

Try to internet-translate this excerpt from the video that I transcribed starting from 1:32:54 in the video:

The power density is huge.

Quote from axil

The power density is huge.

To have the same output power as that measured through calorimetry, the hair-like plasma (as reported) would need to have a blackbody temperature of over 7000K.

HID headlamps typically use from 35 to 55 W, so that right in the ballpark for a plasma in the 0.6 cm x 0.08 cm range.

Use of cm instead of mm is supported by the exponent shift of the Stefan-Boltzmann constant from 10^-8 to 10^-12 due to using cm² instead of m² for the equation as described by Rossi after 2:27:00 in the video.

Alan Smith

By tripling the area I get about 5400-5500K with the same calculation.

Quote from can

Alan Smith

By tripling the area I get about 5400-5500K with the same calculation.

But that calculation is reduced because the three were working at 30% of total capacity. 7000K is consistent with the temperature claimed by Klimov.