Demonstration of the E-Cat QX - 24 November - Summary thread

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I thought about that too, but dismissed it on the grounds that the Aluminium vapour created would condense on the tube walls when it cooled and render them too conductive to allow for re-ignition.

Rossi might get around the Aluminium vapour issue by preprocessing the nickel electrodes in an off line process as Rossi does with the fuel, The LENR active agent would be deposited on the surface of the nickel electrode with little aluminum being added to that surface. Piantelli does this sort of surface/fuel preparation process when he prepares his nickel rods. From what I have seen in the SEM micrographs of ME356 fuel particles, those particles are LENR active after a long fuel prep process where the LENR active agent pops out of the fuel hydride particles and moves around on the supporting carbon substrate producing transmutations in that substrate.

Those LENR active agents might form those balls of light that float around the reaction chamber when energized by the RF signal.

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this is an interesting diagram. From the work of Ken Shoulders.

Ken Shoulders studied the atmospheric phenomena in free space, not filled by some nickel/hydride dust. That is to say, the connection of EVO's to QuarkX reactor is even less warranted than polaritons. In this moment it's solely redundant hypothesis from Occam's razor perspective, which also doesn't explain anything, to provide a clue for further improvement of technology the less.

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Aluminium vapour created would condense on the tube walls

Aluminium would probably oxidize way before it as there is no evidence, that Quark-X reactor is air tight. On the contrary, the presence of aluminium oxide would prohibit the corrosion of nickel surface by lithium oxides under formation of nickelates. Aluminium (hydride) serves also as a reservoir of hydrogen, which provides fuel and protective atmosphere for lithium. At low temperatures the alumina gets attacked by lithium, which will be released back once it gets hot, so it may also serve as a buffer for lithium. And most of all, the aluminium oxide would also serve as a carrier for nickel/lithium grains, which would prohibit their mutual melting. That is to say, the Quark-X reactor wouldn't probably work well without presence of some inert matter of high melting point. If it would be formed just by nickel and lithium/sodium hydride dust, it's content would collapse and smelt once the hydride would decompose. You'll need to have some space between grains for to keep discharge running. Of course the alumina could be replaced by some other inert matter.

Here I'd object A. Rossi's claim, that reactor did run with zero-voltage drop on reactor, as this is physically impossible once you haven't superconductor in hands. This conclusion could be simply consequence of fact, the reactor was loaded with high-frequency current source, which doesn't provide any DC component for its straightforward measuring by common DC voltmeter. The voltage drop on reactor could be actually quite high at the time of its running, which would also explain the fear of Andrea Rossi from touching it by Levy at run time. That is to say, the power pumped by (apparently quite huge) external source into a reactor could easily reach 25 Watts, which has been interpreted as energy output by water thermocalorimetry without being even notified by DC signal of an external voltmeter. 25 Watts is energy flux which can be easily achieved at high frequencies by much smaller solid state Tesla coil, which is able to light-up common fluorescent bulb (10 - 20 Watt) at distance.

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Yes, you are right about Lipinski, this is why i suggest that Rossi could be strongly inspired by theses works.

If Axil's layout is good, probably carbon electrodes should be more reliable. BTW , according to T° reached Rossi's had to solve big problems due to differences of dilatation.

Why 2700° ? Because probably he improved Lipinski's work by adding molten nickel..

BTW , no need of LiAlH4 rather just LiH and molten Ni.

Following his patent, he works at 4 bars, then it's conceivable that free electrons produced by strong and quick discharges, should be slowed down considerably because of high pressure, until stopping and falling on nucleus if both electrons and nucleus "could run" in the same direction..

Nickel might be used for the electrodes because that element is least likely to produce LENR transmutations. The Ni62 isotope is most likely the most LENR reaction resistant of all elements.

The Lipinski system sounds like the reaction that happens in the SunCell. It might be a hydrino system.

I have a strong suspicion that touching the QX apparatus with one hand is not so bad, but touching it with two hands in the wrong place, like one on each clamp, could be fatal.

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I have a strong suspicion that touching the QX apparatus with one hand is not so bad, but touching it with two hands in the wrong place, like one on each clamp, could be fatal.

What would be fatal, the initial high voltage arc or the RF signal?

Regarding: "You obviously haven't read as much of his work as I have, he did work with EV's in gaseous environments. But no dusty plasma work, I agree. But the evidence for dust inside the Quark is zero- we just speculate."

To my way of thinking, there are two mechanisms that will carry the polaritons in the LENR reaction that could possibly apply to the QX type system. Metallic Hydrogen and/or lithium, or the nanoparticle based reaction.

The nanoparticle based reaction happens in a dusty plasma, but the Metallic hydrogen mechanism happens when a preprocess based fuel preparation process is used.

The observation of a clear tube indicates that a electrode pre preparation process is used to carry the Metallic hydrogen into the sealed tube via the electrodes. The metallic hydrogen exits from their site of creation and these particles are free to move around inside the tube.

The metallic hydrogen hypothesis would also predict that the QX is subject to potential meltdown if the control of the QX is mismanaged. Metallic hydrogen has no temperature limit on how hot a LENR reaction that it can produce.

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Equally speculative - there is no evidence that is it not air-tight. Eyewitnesses when questioned say 'it appears to be sealed'.

It doesn't look to be tightly sealed here - the glowing interior is clearly visible

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here are two mechanisms that will carry the polaritons in the LENR reaction that could possibly apply to the QX type system

Lipinski fusion works with molten lithium and deuterons only - so no polaritons, neither dense hydrogen are required for its running. Not to say about EVO's, nanoparticles, muons, mesons, tachyons etc. stuff. It's very useful generic cold fusion system with respect to elimination of redundant and missleading ad-hoced hypotheses of various arm-chair theorists.

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It doesn't look to be tightly sealed here - the glowing interior is clearly visible

Lipinski fusion works with molten lithium and deuterons only - so no polaritons, neither dense hydrogen are required for its running. Not to say about EVO's, nanoparticles, muons, mesons, tachyons etc. stuff. It's very useful generic cold fusion system with respect to elimination of redundant and missleading ad-hoced hypotheses of various arm-chair theorists.

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Well then what produces Lipinski fusion: Astroblasters? And if it is fusion, where are the gamma. tritium, and neutrons?

The QX control box produces heat and requires high cooling requirements that use lots of power. I believe that this heat is caused by the generation of reactive power in capacitive and inductive factors in the QX that the QX is generating to resists the power that is driving its 8 second operating cycle. The generation of this reactive power is to be expected since Plasma based lamps that closely resemble the QX reactor produces this reactive power.

The Fix for this heat generated by reactive power in the QX is to add inductive and capacitive power storage to the QX controller.

I found a explanation of reactive power that is alway present in AC based systems as follows:

https://www.electricaltechnolo…ce-of-reactive-power.html

Since the QX and fluorescent lights are both plasma based systems, they might share the same lifetime shortening behavior of turning the systems off and on frequently. The QX life expectancy might be maximised is the QX is kept active continually without interruption.

In light of this possible operational constraint, a stand alone cryptocurrency generation system can be supplied with the QX home power system whereby the homeowner could produce the QX user's own crypto-money when the power produced by the QX system was not required...at night or when the QX user was at work. But do people need to work when they can produce their own money?

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Well then what produces Lipinski fusion: Astroblasters? And if it is fusion, where are the gamma. tritium, and neutrons?

Lipinski fusion produces helium and no neutrons: p+ ⁶Li→³He(2.3 MeV)+⁴He(1.7 MeV) p+ ⁷Li→⁴He(8.6 MeV)+⁴He(8.6 MeV) You should read something about it finally..

The same astroblaster effect which attenuates the momentum before collision also absorbs the recoil after it - so no gamma is produced.

Rossi was asked if the LENR reaction only occurs in the submillimeter sized pintpoint of plasma (0.08mm diameter by 0.6mm long) located in the center point between the electrodes. He did not answer.

It seems to me that the plasma is just a reaction stimulating mechanism(like a spark) that pumps energy into the ball lightning like lights that float around inside the entire interior volume of the QX tube.

In other words, If the LENR reaction is only produced inside the submillimeter sized pinpoint of plasma, the power density of the reaction would be too great to keep the plasma temperature between 2000k to 3000k. A plasma temperature of 10s of thousands of degrees would be required to produce 100 watts of power. For example, the tungsten filament inside a 100 watt light bulb is far bigger than the volume of the plasma ball. This also means that the measurement of COP by spectroscopic means is invalid since the plasma does not produce the LENR reaction.

If the LENR reactive medium was not present in the QX and no LENR reaction was occurring, then the plasma would still produce the same light output.

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Lipinski fusion produces helium and no neutrons: p+ ⁶Li→³He(2.3 MeV)+⁴He(1.7 MeV) p+ ⁷Li→⁴He(8.6 MeV)+⁴He(8.6 MeV) You should read something about it finally..

The same astroblaster effect which attenuates the momentum before collision also absorbs the recoil after it - so no gamma is produced.

Does the transmutation produces in the ash support this assumed reaction pathway?

But post 932 states that deuterium is used in the reaction, so where did those neutrons go?

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But post 932 states that deuterium is used in the reaction, so where did those neutrons go?

Lithium fusion remains aneutronic with deuterium too: ⁶Li + ²D → 2 ⁴He + 22.4 MeV Even more energy gets released during it...

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Lithium fusion remains aneutronic with deuterium too: ⁶Li + ²D → 2 ⁴He + 22.4 MeV Even more energy gets released during it...

How does all that energy get thermalized into heat without high energy radiation showing up?

The 1" irrigation quick coupler looks a little big on my Nog-Z rig. I'll have to swap at least one of them for a 3/4" irrigation coupler to see how that looks.

These ones have "for cold water only" embossed right onto them.

Edit: Definitely is the same 1" coupler as previously suspected (Home Depot).

Demonstration of the E-Cat QX - 24 November - Summary thread

It gets absorbed and redistributed between many atom (nuclei) colliding along single line at the same moment. This dense line traps the released radiation like the optical filament so it has nowhere to escape.