Demonstration of the E-Cat QX - 24 November - Summary thread

Quote from THHuxleynew

We Cat, I had the pleasure of reading WWs posts at the time. You are reductive. In fact, I think your simplification here may be what allows you still to hold views about the Rossi-IH affair which most people would not (you may correct me if I'm wrong).

WW was not saying that right would win. He was saying it was obvious from the evidence that Rossi was a liar, and that given that evidence he would not be believed. We will never know what would have happened, since Rossi aborted the trial before he had to give testimony. Some have speculated that Rossi would have been in danger of charges of perjury over the sworn heat exchanger evidence he gave (which has various issues, but is central to his claim that his device worked as Penon's report indicates). it is a shame we did not get to test this.

However, WW did not from that come to the naive conclusion that IH would win the case in any way financially satisfactory to them. Juries can get to dislike both sides when each side is calling the other one a liar, regardless of what a sober reading of facts would indicate.

You can see that it is not a simple Rossi right or wrong choice. Things seldom are. Rossi can have many admirable characteristics... and still be Rossi. If you push things into this black or white mould you are in danger yourself of making poor judgements.

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Dear THHuxleynew,

The discussion is rather irrelevant, right?

Rossie moved on from a business partner from hell, that, cheered-on by its fanbase, stated that they would crush the conning liar into oblivion.

However, what we are discussing now is that the above just did not happen. Did it? And that you and others were convinced it would happen.

Your "black and white" statement is correct. However, you, and WW for that matter, consciously or not, constantly switch between "it's complex and look at all the shades of grey" and "he is a liar, how black and white do you want me to serve it to you?".

The switching, combined with a large dosis of hindsight theory gives you (and others on this forum) the impression that you are seldomly wrong, while it is closer to the truth that you use a lot of words and add layers of complexity to hide that you are wrong about the fundamentals most of the time.

We'll see. It seems to me that Rossi is again working on something we can soon bicker about. You probably will be one of the first to start criticizing him. I am looking forward to, while i am reading your posts, envision a motivated older guy with a negative grin, hammering at his keyboard, trying to save the world from Andrea Rossi.

All the best,

JB

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Rossie moved on from a business partner from hell, that, cheered-on by its fanbase, stated that they would crush the conning liar into oblivion.

However, what we are discussing now is that the above just did not happen. Did it? And that you and others were convinced it would happen.

When have I ever said I was so convinced? Or, for example, Jed? I suggest you find examples before making such statements.

You are not distinguishing between saying Rossi is a business partner from hell and saying IH would win on financially satisfactory terms the Court Case.

Would IH have won, you ask? We will never know because Rossi having dragged them to the altar of litigation, copped out of it at the last moment before he was due to testify. Remember, IH never wanted this battle, and did not start it.

You, and WW for that matter, consciously or not, constantly switch between "it's complex and look at all the shades of grey" and "he is a liar, how black and white do you want me to serve it to you?".

I can't speak for WW, but:

Rossi is a liar in black and white (the Court documents). You need the patience to read them in detail, and the ability to cross-correlate statements. Or, for one example, just the ability to read what Rossi has boasted about his own actions.

The court case, and how it will go before a Jury, was always complicated, with no clear outcome.Though it is a pity we did not to get to see it through - sometimes more clarity can emerge from such a process than expected.

Oh snap! - the r'meister was using extra virgin oil all along? No wonder everything was so slippery.

TTM - plan on being among the last too know. One of the nice things about light speed is that comes with a clear rearview mirror.

Director - we have post-mortem EVO trace images from metal surface analysis of a Mizuno reactor. Sad to report that there was no excess heat materially above the noise floor with that reactor.

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Director - we have post-mortem EVO trace images from metal surface analysis of a Mizuno reactor. Sad to report that there was no excess heat materially above the noise floor with that reactor.

But, there might have been excess heat from another reactor. Sometimes one of them works, but the other does not.

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I don't know why Rossi agreed to give over all of his past, current, and future IP. All I can guess is that for some reason or another he was desparate.

You are assuming that Rossi's machines can actually produce excess heat. If they are useless, though, the thing explains itself. IH was offering money for useless information. Any contract is good under those conditions

TTM - glad to have some more background on your information sources. Makes perfect sense. The EVO images are very interesting and closely match some of the patterns from the published KS research.

Jed - We were not able to confirm XH in any of the Mizuno reactors tested including ones that we separately instrumented and measured along beside his

instrumentation / DA set. The 3-8C daily swing in ambient at his lab and airbox solution didn't help. As I'm sure you know, he still has the 50kg reactor running and continues to pursue a breakthrough. We may have made measure mistakes but chances of that are small.

Having said that, I believe that Dr Mizuno has created / replicated more XH reactions than almost any other researcher - he has to have assembled and run 9+ different reactions in his 28 years of research. I'm confident that at least 3 produced substantial XH way above background of those that I was made aware. He is a good man and being a lone samurai researcher all these years has not been good or helpful in his quest for commercial grade XH.

Dewey Weaver "I'm confident that at least 3 produced substantial XH way above background of those that I was made aware"

What is the basis of this confidence?

bocijn - read the papers, studied the data and inspected 2 of the reactors from his shelf.