There have, but unfortunately right before going public they either die, get fired/demoted and lose their lab privileges, or kidnapped by aliens in LENR powered spaceships. With the exception of Alan, Lion, and MFMP, those wanting to come forward will not, because they fear the same fate.
I must beg to differ. Everyone knows (because it is all over the internet) that alien spaceships are powered by Beryllium spheres, just like we saw on Galaxy Quest.
Demonstration of the E-Cat QX - 24 November - Summary thread
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I need news, I need gossip!!! NOW, guys and gals.
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I need news, I need gossip!!! NOW, guys and gals.
WW,
Yes, absent enough hard facts, we all need and want more, more, and even more on top of that....gossip. Yes, that is a pathetic indictment of LENR, but I am starting to see some promising wordage though.
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I need news, I need gossip!!! NOW, guys and gals.
woodworker,
Might I suggest the
“Journal of Nuclear Physics”?
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I'm confident that if a modest lab, founded in the spirit of Open Source, was opened with the following attributes a Quark could be replicated rapidly.
- No significant connections, strings, or allegiences to any for-profit corporate player in the LENR community.
- No NDAs or other legal barriers to full disclosure of all research, methods, know how, and results.
- No individuals participating with any qualms about the implications of releasing such tech to the world.
The quark isn't magic. I'd go so far as to say it is perhaps the most mundane of many LENR systems in that it has been simplified to a huge degree. But this allows for better control, enormous output from a tiny active area, and the ability to turn it on and off at will.
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I'm confident that if a modest lab, founded in the spirit of Open Source, was opened with the following attributes a Quark could be replicated rapidly.
- No significant connections, strings, or allegiences to any for-profit corporate player in the LENR community.
- No NDAs or other legal barriers to full disclosure of all research, methods, know how, and results.
- No individuals participating with any qualms about the implications of releasing such tech to the world.
The quark isn't magic. I'd go so far as to say it is perhaps the most mundane of many LENR systems in that it has been simplified to a huge degree. But this allows for better control, enormous output from a tiny active area, and the ability to turn it on and off at will.
Director,
You’re assuming of course,
that it works as stated,
Energy Out > Energy In
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Of course it works... Fulvio just needs to flick his switch and it works every time.
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You’re assuming of course,
that it works as stated,
Energy Out > Energy In
That has never been stated, Rossi has never said he has measured power in, nor given a COP (how could he without input power measurement).Rossi has a habit of making indirect comments, and assuming the things he wants are true, without ever directly stating them
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Can someone please advise me when the first ABB robots will be delivered. I heard that Rossi had decided on ABB so I am assuming that he has already sent the design specs and the down payment for them to ABB. He has sent the down payment, hasn't he??
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Ask HIM on JONP 😇
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Can someone please advise me when the first ABB robots will be delivered.
Numerous previous announcements concerning robots without anything happening indicate never.
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I find it interesting Rossi talks about "robots" rather than "tools" or "tooling". I've worked for and with manufacturing companies, including Italian companies, and you would normally "tool-up for production" rather than "robotize" or "industrialise" production.
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I find it interesting Rossi talks about "robots" rather than "tools" or "tooling". I've worked for and with manufacturing companies, including Italian companies, and you would normally "tool-up for production" rather than "robotize" or "industrialise" production.
You just have to understand that Italian is not Rossi's native language (that would be bullshit).
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I find it interesting Rossi talks about "robots" rather than "tools" or "tooling".
Perhaps you should get out a bit more.
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I find it interesting Rossi talks about "robots" rather than "tools" or "tooling". I've worked for and with manufacturing companies, including Italian companies, and you would normally "tool-up for production" rather than "robotize" or "industrialise" production.
Rossi will never "tool up" for mass manufacturing -- at least not until he has billions of dollars in the bank. He wants to be able to have his own factory with the fewest number of other people involved to prevent competitors from copying his designs. This is the same reason he'll likely lease the first plants rather than sell them flat out -- a compulsive desire to prevent corporate espionage. Sadly, by refusing to fully cooperate with any partners he may acquire (which could be challenging depending on the balance of their desire to work with a breakthrough technology verses dealing with a paranoid, manipulative inventor) there will be countless other LENR products on the market by the time he has sold any significant number of plants. If he could open up and share all of his know-how and strike a deal with a company like Johnson Matthey or ABB or Nissan or Volvo, or some utility company with a manufacturing base (not a company that simply desires IP to re-sell) he could get a significant head start on the competition. I guess it is sort of like the Cro-nuts sold at a deli in NYC. They may be very delicious and the single location may sell thousands a day, but Dunkin Donuts or Crispy Creme will forever remain leagues ahead of them. I'm sure there are countless variations of the Cro-nut on the market by now. They should have cut a deal with Dunkin Donuts or Crispy Creme to sell them nation wide.
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My point really is that people tend to pickup and adopt language from others they work with. You can't help it. So I also question if he really is setting up any sort of manufacturing facility at all.
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Rossi of course has to declare his business / manufacturing to the authorities, has to have a tax number, etc. all common rules on being listed and approved as a manufacturing company. Doesn't matter if his facility is in the EU or in the US. So in case he is really doing what he is announcing to his fellow band on his diary JONP, there should be a way to find out, where and what he has via official and public information, since he is alomst there and close to selling a product in 2018. The folks on ECW better should chase after his facilities, offices, employees,... instead of constantly asking silly questions along those lines like "Dr. Rossi, do you have employees a) more than 1 b) between 5-10 or c) more than 100?"
BTW, this isstill the officially known location of his company, but there is obviously no manufacturing going on - so where his "product" E-CAT and QX can be manufactured??
A factory with robotic lines for mass production (millions of pieces) can't be hidden from being recognized and from public awareness, unless this may be deep in untapped territory in the Amazonia or Siberia...
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Rossi has been "planning" to build this robotic factory since at least the beginning of 2012:
http://energycatalyzer3.com/ne…on-ecat-licenses-for-sale
with link to:
http://energycatalyzer3.com/ne…ould-be-shipped-in-august
Those who still believe that such a factory will materialize are probably not aware of this embarrassing fact.
Believers are expendable: lose one, win another.
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Rossi of course has to declare his business / manufacturing to the authorities, has to have a tax number, etc. all common rules on being listed and approved as a manufacturing company. Doesn't matter if his facility is in the EU or in the US. So in case he is really doing what he is announcing to his fellow band on his diary JONP, there should be a way to find out, where and what he has via official and public information, since he is alomst there and close to selling a product in 2018. The folks on ECW better should chase after his facilities, offices, employees,... instead of constantly asking silly questions along those lines like "Dr. Rossi, do you have employees a) more than 1 b) between 5-10 or c) more than 100?"
BTW, this isstill the officially known location of his company, but there is obviously no manufacturing going on - so where his "product" E-CAT and QX can be manufactured??
A factory with robotic lines for mass production (millions of pieces) can't be hidden from being recognized and from public awareness, unless this may be deep in untapped territory in the Amazonia or Siberia...
Zorud: I find your lack of faith in Dr. Rossi most disturbing. After all, on the ecat.com website, it says:
"Sign up and pre-order, and secure your place on a waiting list with the right to priority treatment and faster product delivery. All pre-orders will be followed by a proposal from Leonardo Corporation, when the timing is right.
The ECAT 1MW plant contains 4 ECAT modules of 250kW each mounted in a shipping container. Warranty for functionality is two years with a guaranteed COP of 6, and the plant has an expected life span of 20 years.
The ECAT 1MW plant is constructed inside an international standardized 20ft container which can easily be transferred between different modes of transportation (e.g. ships, air cargo, trains, and trucks).
The plant consumes small amounts of treated Nickel powder and Lithium aluminum hydride (LiAlH₄) The plant is recharged by specially trained and certified personnel.
Pre-orders are accepted from all over the world and require a routine due-diligence process. Customers must comply with several criteria set by Leonardo Corporation in order to qualify for a purchase of an ECAT 1MW plant."
As you can clearly see from the language, the ECAT 1 MW plant is constructed, not will be constructed. It consumes stuff, not will consume stuff. It is recharged by SPECIALLY TRAINED AND CERTIFIED PERSONNEL. You see, they already have CERTIFIED PERSONNEL. And look at the pictures on the website, pretty, pretty pictures.
One caveat for people rushing to purchase, the potential customer must comply with criteria set by Leonardo Corp. to purchase the plant. But I know what the criteria are:
1. Have lots of excess cash.
2. Be gullible.
3. Must not have any technical expertise or hire anyone with any such expertise.
4. Be gullible (very important).
5. Must agree to never ask any questions, especially cannot ask when the plant will be delivered and why it doesn't do what was promised.
6. Be gullible (cannot stress enough).
7. Be willing to part with large sums of money up front and then go away and never bother Dr. Rossi, a sure-fire future Nobel Prize winner and soon to be universally applauded genius and savior of human race, again (he will be busy saving the human race and cannot be bothered by silly little people who gave him money for stuff that doesn't work - he is genius, go away).
8. And last, and definitely not least, be gullible.
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Ask HIM on JONP 😇
I guess, uhm,
There’s really nothing more to add,
Good rant
