Ken Shoulders ; The Man Who Made Black Holes

  • Alan Smith

    A writeup based on prior knowledge or experience with similar devices (e.g. vacuum tubes) would definitely help understanding it better and what's required to make it work properly in practice. I can't claim I have any.


    As for the patent you linked above, I found this:

    http://www.rexresearch.com/nelson/nelson.htm

    http://www.rexresearch.com/nelson/us6465965.pdf

    http://www.rexresearch.com/nelson/us2001040434.pdf


    The first link from RexResearch quotes PESN:


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    "Lawrence Nelson visited NERL in 2003 and demonstrated his invention to NERL, at a time when I was with NERL. I worked with Lawrence for one month and successfully replicated his invention under his supervision, documenting more energy output than the input. Like PAGD (below), his "electron trap" is a vacuum tube technology that derives its energy from the vacuum continuum of space.

    "Lawrence told me recently that he has a 1000 watt electric generator running in his laboratory right now, using only 200 watts of electricity input. He is also close to commercialization, but like the others, lacks business experience and funding.

    "He is a scientist, a degreed physicist, and he knows what he is doing.

    "He is not seeking public exposure but is eager to find funding for his project. Please do not promote his website unless it is done privately for serious interest in funding his company. His device can be as big or even bigger than the Correa PAGD, in my opinion."


    The inventor managed to have one his patents granted, but that eventually expired due to lack payment. There don't seem to be newer patents with his name as an inventor.


    By entering the application numbers in the USPTO Public Pair service there might be more information in the patent documentation, but I haven't attempted that yet.


    09/358,746 - FREE ELECTRON CONDENSATION VOLTAGE GAIN DEVICE

    09/822,579 - METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR ENERGY CONVERSION USING A SCREENED-FREE-ELECTRON SOURCE

    PCT/US02/09395 - METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR ENERGY CONVERSION USING A SCREENED-FREE-ELECTRON SOURCE



    EDIT: it appears that Nelson had a personal website with some more information. Apparently some sections were removed as time passed (perhaps due to coverage on other venues such as PESN). The new website currently leads to a blank page and has been under construction for years. The Web Archive is useful here to access the old content. I couldn't find any direct reference to Ken Shoulders:


    https://web.archive.org/web/20050210135239/http://home.comcast.net:80/~nelsonscientific/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20040604123740if_/http://home.comcast.net:80/~nelsonscientific/science.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20040604123548if_/http://home.comcast.net:80/~nelsonscientific/projects.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20031031210506/http://home.comcast.net:80/~nelsonscientific/powertubes.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20…nscientific/contacts.html



    EDIT 2: there's a direct reference to Shoulders in the granted (albeit expired) patent:



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    The screening effect used by the present invention exploits an effect similar to that described in U.S. Pat. Nos. 5,018,180 and 5,123,039 ("the Shoulders patents"), both of which are herein incorporated by reference for all purposes. The electron-screening effect is related to quantum screening that results from vacuum polarization. Vacuum polarization results from vacuum fluctuations in which virtual particles are permitted to exist briefly and then disappear in accordance with the laws of physics--the time of their duration is limited by their total energy and by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle; the total charge is conserved so that charged particles are created and annihilated in charge pairs, e.g. one electron and one positron are created together; and the boundary conditions of the governing quantum-mechanical equation, such as the Dirac equation, are satisfied. The possibility of extracting electrical energy from the vacuum by exploiting the existence of vacuum fluctuations has been shown in R. L. Forward, "Extracting Electrical Energy from the Vacuum by Cohesion of Charged Foliated Conductors," Phys. Rev. B, 30, 1700 (1984).

  • Alan Smith

    I didn't know that and I feel sorry for thinking that the apparent lack of continued work on the subject was due to other reasons.


    EDIT: he's called Lawrence Lee Nelson. He's got a Facebook page, which I don't have full access to, but I think it's been last updated more recently than in 2008. Other sources make believe that he was still alive in 2013.

  • Regarding: "The electron-screening effect is related to quantum screening that results from vacuum polarization. "


    I don't beleive that this is true. The screening effect is produced by the conversion of electrons to surface plasmon polaritons.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_plasmon_polariton


    Surface plasmon polaritons can only exist at the interface between a positive-permittivity material and a negative-permittivity material. The positive-permittivity material, often called the dielectric material, can be any transparent material such as air or (for visible light) glass. The negative-permittivity material, often called the plasmonic material, may be a metal or other material. It is more critical, as it tends to have a large effect on the wavelength, absorption length, and other properties of the SPP.

  • Alan Smith

    The Facebook page quotes him as being the president of Nelson Scientific since 1995 and that it's his own company. From other sources I found that he has at least two email addresses, one with a nelsonscientific.com domain name, and another with a nelsoncomputerservices.com domain name. Both of these websites currently display blank pages (archived versions exist), but they refer to the same person that you can see in the public Facebook page. Contact info do not mention other Nelson's. The second website has a photo of a thinner-looking him. Therefore I thought that he is the inventor, and that if he died recently, he died at a relatively young age.


    Whether he is still alive or he's indeed his son, it would be odd if he abandoned this work.

  • Alan Smith

    Forgive my skepticism but this isn't something you simply stop working on "due to lack of funds". He basically reported having something he could use right away to save 100% of his own electric and heating bills and even sell surplus electricity if he wanted to.


    From the PESN report indirectly linked a few comments earlier from RexResearch, dated 2006-10:


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    [...] Lawrence told me recently that he has a 1000 watt electric generator running in his laboratory right now, using only 200 watts of electricity input. He is also close to commercialization, but like the others, lacks business experience and funding.

  • can I saw those too. So what do you think is going on here?


    I can of course only speculate on the reasons.

    • It was never intended to work as claimed;
    • It never really produced excess energy, but the inventor realized it too late (measurement error);
    • Unpredicted effects resulted from the reactor operating as intended, causing the inventor to eventually die of illness;
    • TPTB?

    In all seriousness, if the inventor is still alive it would help clarifying things up to contact him for details about any ongoing work; if he died (he doesn't look very healthy in the photos after all), if any relative could provide more background behind his efforts, although I would not expect a prompt response on the subject, if any at all.

  • By the way, I also wanted to add to my previous comment that similar questions could be asked to Kenneth Shoulders' son Steve, who wrote papers with him and assisted work in his laboratory (e.g. what is he currently doing, is he trying to continue his fathers' work, etc), although for likewise similar reasons he might understandably not want to respond to such requests.



    EDIT: anyway, to add more useful information regarding again Nelson's granted patent, it appears that fees were paid until 2014-11, when it eventually expired. I think he chose the 11.5 year term payment option (the longest and most expensive one according to this page), which got extended to 12 years by the USPTO. The patent was issued on 2002-10. I guess this at least shows a certain degree of initial confidence by the inventor on his patent.



  • Alan Smith

    Truth being told, I did that soon after I found the addresses, and I also tried asking his IT coworker at nelsonscientific.com at other email addresses, but I'm not expecting prompt replies. I also considered asking Kenneth Rauen (the author of the 2006 PESN report) but he doesn't have direct email contact information (apparently he currently works for Mark Goldes' Aesop institute and I don't want to send emails to this organization).


    I'm not sure I would consider purchasing Correa DVDs a good investment, but more power to you if you have the disposable money for that.

  • For the record, I tried to contact Andy Hofle on a different (personal) email address I got somewhere and in a reply I received today he confirmed that Lawrence Nelson is indeed alive and that he would forward him my request. It looks like Nelson probably doesn't read his email from the nelsonscientific.com domain very often. I sent there a basic question asking information about the current status of his research.

  • Quote

    can wrote:

    ...the source of this energy appears to be the vacuum zero-point energy or zero-point radiation. An EV is a coupling device and an energy conversion mechanism that converts the high frequency zero-point energy of the vacuum to a lower frequency energy which can be captured as electrical energy output by the TWT. […]


    This collection of words does not explain how the zero point energy is active in the EVO in the generation of energy.


    See the thread as follows for a possible explanation.


    The KERR effect and LENR


    It is my conjecture that the EVO is based on photon containment (containment of light) in a cavity rather that electrons. This zero-point radiation mechanism supports this conjecture.

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