US Navy (SPAWAR)/Global Energy Corporation/LENR

**Gregory Byron Goble** · Feb 24th 2018

"United States Government LENR Energy 2018" Reviewing twenty five years of U.S. funded ‘cold fusion’ projects including patents, contracts, publications and public/private sector partnership efforts towards LENR energy applied engineering and LENR energy commercialization. https://gbgoble.kinja.com/unit…18-a-review-of-1822335542

“I began to compile this review in the fall of 2017. The reason being, I had asked a few editors of LENR news sites what they thought of the claims being made by Global Energy Corporation. Each editor asked me to provide any recent follow up to those claims. None that I could find; so I decided to compile this review as a frame of reference for the question: What are your opinions of these claims?” - Greg Goble

I would like to hear the opinions of LENR Forum members. I find it odd that there is little to no discussion at LENR sites about GEC or their claims. If Rossi, Brillouin, the MFMP, or Randy Mills, were making similar claims, it would be discussed, scrutinized, and become the focus of our attention.

Please keep comments on topic... Are these claims truthful or a scam? If truthful, what affect might this have on others racing to LENR commercialization. GEC has developed LENR Transmutation of nuclear waste. How will this help or hinder the nuclear power industry? Why haven't these claims been presented by GEC et.al. at ICCF? Other questions are sure to arise; Please pose pertinent questions to this thread...

The claims are:

"GEC is currently negotiating several new SMG construction contracts ranging from 250MWe to 5GWe around the world."

snoopy · Feb 24th 2018

You mean these folks?

http://www.gec.solutions/home.html

**Alan Smith** · Feb 24th 2018

Larry Forsley is a well- known LENR researcher and very respectable. His wife is also in the field, though not for GE.

Director · Feb 24th 2018

http://www.mvariety.com/cnmi/c…offers-nuclear-energy.php

"Genie reactors, Forsley said, don’t have nuclear waste problems. It doesn’t need a spent fuel pool nor a spent fuel waste storage dump. It “burns” uranium-238 that comprises 95 percent of conventional nuclear waste. Therefore, Genie actually “cleans” nuclear waste, he added."

In one of the YouTube presentations from 2013, they claim to use Uranium-zirconium based fuel.

To be blunt, I don't see this specific reactor as being very LENR-like at all. Moreover, due to the fact that it utilizes uranium, I doubt it would ever be utilized in homes or cars like nickel-hydrogen reactors could.

**Shane D.** · Feb 24th 2018

Greg,

Good to see you back. GEC/JWK/SPAWAR are subjects near and dear to me. As have you, I have written about them also. Who could not after that Guam episode? That is the most interesting story to ever have happened in LENR IMO. I remember you did a nice round up of it a few years back. I tried to contact them about a year ago for an update, and never received a reply. Hard to imagine after Guam they would just go silent. Well, maybe not totally silent:

You do know that NASA Glen Research in Cleveland, Oh. has teamed up with Forsley of JWK/GEC, and Pam Moss-Bosely formerly of SPAWAR? On the NASA side is an old familiar name (Fralick), who has been involved with LENR almost as soon as FPs announced in 1989. They put out that Arxiv paper (Moss-Bosely not an author) about a year ago, and followed up with a patent application this past September. It appears the master brain behind the collaboration is a man named Pines of PinesSci. Or at least that is how I, and Ahlfors interpret their effort to grant him another uncontested contract.

A very tangled web as the title of your thread shows, and amazingly it goes back to 2005. So much we do not know. Too bad no one will, or can talk about it. Who knows, if they would, they may light a fire in LENR, and maybe even spur the mainstream into taking notice. Yes, I am a dreamer.

**Gregory Byron Goble** · Feb 24th 2018

To Alan Smith,

Correct me if I'm wrong, your comment lends credence to the claims of GEC. -gbgoble

To Director,

This is LENR energy technology.

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries pursues transmutation of nuclear waste to benign elements through a LENR process, which will prove to be a very profitable and much needed LENR energy technology.

NASA has pursued a LENR energy technology that does not utilize uranium or nuclear waste; SPAWAR LENR energy technology does.

What's so interesting about LENR is the many different ways it can be done...

From

May 2013 NASA (publication) NASA/TM-2013-217981, L-20240, NF1676L-16305- “Advanced-to-Revolutionary Space Technology Options – The Responsibly Imaginable” Apr 1, 2013 Dennis M. Bushnell - See pg. 13, ‘Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, the Realism and the Outlook’

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/….nasa.gov/20130011698.pdf

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So, is LENR “Real”? Evidently, from the now long standing and diverse experimental evidence – yes - With effects occurring using diverse materials, methods of energy addition etc. This is FAR from a “Narrow Band”/episodic set of physical phenomena.

What is your opinion Director, Are the claims of GEC truthful or a scam? -gbgoble

**Eric Walker** · Feb 24th 2018

I can definitely see LENR, as I understand it, applying to uranium. There are many different understandings of LENR. If one sees it as likely to be going back to induced alpha and beta decay and fission, uranium would be a promising candidate. If one sees it as somehow related to fusion, e.g., of deuterium, then not so much.

I don't know what Larry Forsley's connection to GEC is. But I would take his word over that of Rossi or Mills in a heartbeat.

**Gregory Byron Goble** · Feb 24th 2018

To Shane D,

Can I read your article? I take it you give a thumbs up to the claims of GEC. Your comments made me smile and laugh just a little bit... sad when I think that this may have lent credence to the field when needed. I'm fairly positive that LENR is taking off like a rocket now. Hence government disclosure... we should see quite a bit more soon.

Your knowledge of PineSci impressed me and is correct... Glen Research Center offers licensing of this LENR energy technology for commercialization. Here is what I have in the review: if you have more to add to the PineScie story let me know. -gbgoble

2016 NASA Patent “Methods and apparatus for enhanced nuclear reactions”US20170263337A1 Inventors: Vladimir Pines, Marianna Pines, Bruce Steinetz, Arnon Chait, Gustave Fralick, Robert Hendricks, Paul Westmeyer - Current Assignee: NASA Glenn Research Center, Pinesci Consulting - Priority date: 2016-03-09, Application: 2017-09-14. editor note- US20170263337A1 claims that many types of materials are suitable for LENR. - end note

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[0082] It should be understood that any material which may be hydrided may be used as the initial material, such as, for example, single-walled or double-walled carbon nanotubes. Double-walled carbon nanotubes in particular have an internal spacing consistent with the lattice spacing of palladium-silver lattices, the usage of which in experiment will be described in detail below.

Alternatively, materials such as silicon, graphene, boron nitride, silicene, molybdenum disulfide or ferritin (editor note: ferritin BIOCHEMISTRY noun:ferritin - a protein produced in mammalian metabolism that serves to store iron in the tissues) may be used, although it should be understood that substantially two-dimensional structures, such as graphene, boron nitride, silicene and molybdenum disulfide are not hydrated similar to their three-dimensional counterparts and may be subjected to a separate process, specifically with the two-dimensional structure being positioned adjacent one of the above materials, as will be described in greater detail below.

Similarly, ferritin and other complex materials may be filled or loaded with hydrogen using methods specific to the particular material properties. In general, the initial material may be any suitable material which is able to readily absorb and or adsorb hydrogen isotopes, such as, for example, metal hydrides (e.g., titanium, scandium, vanadium, chromium, yttrium, niobium, zirconium, palladium, hafnium, tantalum, etc.), lanthanides (e.g., lanthanum, cesium, etc.), actinides (e.g., actinium, thallium, uranium, etc.), ionic hydrides (e.g., lithium, strontium, etc.), covalent hydrides (e.g., gallium, germanium, bismuth, etc.), intermediate hydrides (e.g., beryllium, magnesium, etc.), and select metals known to be active (e.g., nickel, tungsten, rhenium, molybdenum, ruthenium, rhodium, etc.), along with hydrides thereof, as well as alloys with non-hydriding materials (e.g., silver, copper, etc.), suspensions, and combinations thereof. - end quote

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170263337A1

(editor note) The patent US20170263337A1 is a LENR patent by a NASA team. This patent’s citations include two patents “Method and apparatus for generating thermal energy” and “Methods of generating energetic particles using nanotubes and articles thereof” which have a classification: G21B3/00 Low temperature nuclear fusion reactors, e.g. alleged cold fusion reactors. Also note the following Glenn Research Center Publication, “Investigation of Deuterium Loaded Materials Subject to X-Ray Exposure” Apr 3, 2017, where US20170263337A1 inventors work with Lawrence P. Forsley of Global Energy Corporation (SPAWAR JWK LENR tech). - end note

2016 NASA Glenn Research Center (LENR tech licensing offer)
editor note- A search for ‘fusion’ that I did in May of 2016, at the NASA Technology Gateway, yielded this out of Glenn Research Center... “Methods and Apparatus for Enhanced Nuclear Reactions” Reference Number LEW-19366-1. Contact us for information about this technology. NASA Glenn Research Center, Innovation Projects Office [email protected] -end note

**Alan Smith** · Feb 24th 2018

Quote from Gregory Byron Goble

To Alan Smith,

Correct me if I'm wrong, your comment lends credence to the claims of GEC. -gbgoble

Gregory ' you bet.

Lawrence Forsley is affiliated to JWK Corporation and GEC (Global Energy Corporation), beside U. of Texas. He is married to Pam Mosier-Boss also a SPAWAR researcher.

GEC is a company created with ex-Spawar researchers trying to develop an hybrid fission/LENR reactor (see old thread http://www.lenr-forum.com/old-forum-static/f-86.html ).

https://utexas.academia.edu/LawrenceForsley

**Shane D.** · Feb 24th 2018

Quote from Alan Smith

Lawrence Forsley is affiliated to JWK Corporation and GEC (Global Energy Corporation), beside U. of Texas. He is married to Pam Mosier-Boss also a SPAWAR researcher.

I knew he was affiliated with GEC/JWK (one and the same actually), but being married to Pam...no way? When did that happen? I thought she was single. Damn it, so cute too.

**Gregory Byron Goble** · Feb 24th 2018

To Eric Walker,

Your understanding LENR as it applies to uranium and your opinion of Lawrence Forsley seems to lend credence to the claims of GEC; Larry Forsley is the company Chief Scientist and patent holder... his patent history points to SPAWAR JWK LENR research and energy technology. -gbgoble

From the review

2007 SPAWAR Patent “System and method for generating particles” US8419919B1 Filing: Sep 21, 2007 - Publication: Apr 16, 2013 Assignee: JWK International Corporation, The United States Of America As Represented By The Secretary Of The Navy - GRANT Issued: Apr 16, 2013 Inventors: Pamela A. Boss, Frank E. Gordon, Stanislaw Szpak, Lawrence Parker Galloway Forsley https://www.google.com/patents/US8419919B1

2008 Patent (SPAWAR JWK LENR tech) “A hybrid fusion fast fission reactor”WO2009108331A2 - Publication date: Dec 30, 2009 - Priority date: Feb 25, 2008 Inventors: Lawrence Parker Galloway Forsley, Jay Wook Khim - Applicant: Lawrence Parker Gallow Forsley https://www.google.com/patents/WO2009108331A2

**Gregory Byron Goble** · Feb 24th 2018

To Shane D and Alan Smith

WOW I'll have to check up on that. Any links for me? If Pam Is married to Larry than she is close to, definitely not far removed from, GEC.

**Eric Walker** · Feb 24th 2018

Gbgogle, when assessing an opinion, you must always do due diligence on the opinion holder. But yes, I take a lot of interest in the years of work that Larry Forsley did alongside Pam Mosier-Boss and others at SPAWAR. There are some results that I think need to be revisited with more rigorous methods, but they are very interesting nonetheless.

My views of the likely mechanism underlying some varieties LENR are not commonly held.

**Shane D.** · Feb 24th 2018

Greg,

NASA: New Paper about Experimental Progress

**Eric Walker** · Feb 24th 2018

There were two papers that were discussed a few months ago, one of which was the one at the top of this thread, as I recall. This one, however, is looking at the effects of a beam of 2 MeV photons, which are energetic enough to be well outside of the scope of LENR. I think the other paper was a more relevant one. (The second paper is probably mentioned later in the thread.)

**Shane D.** · Feb 24th 2018

Obviously I get then mixed up also. Maybe Ahlfors will straighten it out.

Zeus46 · Feb 24th 2018

Wasn't the governor of Guam involved in the GEC reactor deal somehow? His subsequent impeachment for corruption or similar (?) lead to everything going quiet. Not that the two were necessarily linked.

The strangest bit to me is Guam itself... it's just one big naval base really - there's almost no other reason to go/do any business there. (Unless you want to put 'made in America' on your sweatshop clothing brand perhaps).

So i reckon it's spun-off Navy technology that they still want to keep an eye on.

Didn't Forsley and DeChiaro write some PowerPoint slides together? Might be a wrong. But I maybe recall seeing their names together somewhere.

**Shane D.** · Feb 24th 2018

Zeus,

That is correct. Guam's Governor OKed the deal with CEO Kim of GEC. Kim was only going to charge Guam for the electricity the hybrid Genie reactor produced. Great deal if you ask me. Later he was impeached for corruption. Part of the charges was his signing the deal with GEC. Not that the deal was corrupt, but I think because the word nuclear popped up and scared the islanders. You know..."oh my gosh, he is going to allow a nuclear plant on our island. We are all going to die!"

Been to Guam many a time. We use to deploy out of there to patrol up the Marianna Islands to the north, and Palau south. Has a little more going for it than military bases. I was not impressed with it though. Hot, humid and dirty, but the diving was good.

snoopy · Feb 24th 2018

"Genie" was hot stuff in 2013 along with Defkalion and Rossi as per this article:

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Is-Cold-Fusion-Entering-the-Final-Stages.html

In the comments, Greg Gobble wrote:

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Greg Goble on August 09 2013 said:

This is an example of advanced LENR engineering out of SPAWAR. The company has two U.S. Congressman and a former U.S Secretary of Defense, CIA Deputy Director, and Chairman of the Carlyle Group. Google "Navy LENR Patent Granted Transmutes Radioactive Waste" to follow a bizarre story.

Fuel Rod Management

An important technology has come to maturity out of the Naval Spawar Laboratories. The technology is a low energy nuclear reaction that transmutes spent nuclear fuel rods to less harmful elements while creating electricity. Holding a license to utilize advanced engineering of this LENR technology, the Global Energy Corporation offers the GeNie Reactor. A HYBRID FUSION FAST FISSION REACTOR (patent) Developed under contract No. DE-AC52-06NA25946 with the US Department of Energy and Department of Defense.

At a Global Energy Corporation presentation to the Guam Power Authority, GEC president Jay Wook Khim offered to pay the 250 million dollar cost to construct the first 50MW GeNie Reactor and provide Guam with electricity at half the cost. According to the dates on the document, Fitial and Buckingham signed off on the nuclear energy document around the time GEC scientists and officials, including CEO Dr. Jay W. Khim, visited Saipan during June of 2012. For many reasons this stalled, two of them being that the governor of Guam was impeached and that Guam has no spent fuel rods, therefore the new governor is hesitant to bring fresh uranium onto the island to fuel the GeNie Reactor.

NEWS (Clean Nuclear Power Eyed)

and (Impeached Governor Inked Secret Deal to Construct Fast Breeder Reactor)

I think this U.S. LENR energy technology is more important to you, with your spent fuel rod storage concerns, than to the people of Guam. It is important that you pursue it. This is a spent fuel rod risk reduction strategy that is profitable.

With this technology your spent fuel rods become a source of revenue instead of an ongoing expense and risk. Without the need for extensive processing, the spent fuel rods are placed around the LENR reactor core. The LENR reactor can be tuned to emit different levels of protons and neutrons, bombarding the spent fuel rods, increasing the different radioactive elements rate of emissions, This transmutes the elements, shortening their half life or eliminating the radioactive isotope completely.

The proposed GeNie Reactor does this and produces enough excess energy to power your turbine electrical generators. You may consider having multiple GeNie Reactors on sight providing low cost - high energy heat for all your power needs.

Please contact the GEC president Jay Wook Khim or GEC manager Rufus Anglin or a member of the GEC Board of Directors to inquire.

Ask if you can get the same presentation and deal as offered to the Guam Power Authority.

The Global Energy Corporation direct dial: (703) 750-0909

Corporate Partners and Board of Directors include:

Frank Carlucci GEC - Former U.S. Secretary of Defense, Deputy Director of the C.I.A. and chairman of the Carlyle Group

Norman Mineta GEC - Former Secretary of Transportation. Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Congressman, State of California

Thomas M. Davis III GEC - Former U.S. Congressman, State of Virginia

National Security Technologies - National Security Technologies, LLC (NSTec) was formed in 2006 as a joint venture between Northrop Grumman Corporation, and three other corporate partners. These partners are AECOM, CH2M Hill, and Babcock & Wilcox (B&W). With some 2,450 employees, NSTec manages operations at the 1,360-square-mile Nevada National Security Site, 65 miles northwest of Las Vegas, and at its related facilities and laboratories for the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), National Nuclear Security Administration, Nevada Site Office. The company has satellite offices in Los Alamos and Albuquerque, New Mexico; Santa Barbara and Livermore, California; and Washington, D.C., along with a small number of employees located in nine other states and two foreign countries.

Defense Threat Reduction Agency - DTRA is the U.S. Department of Defense’s official Combat Support Agency for countering weapons of mass destruction. Our people are Subject Matter Experts on WMD, and we address the entire spectrum of chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and high yield explosive threats. DTRA’s programs include basic science research and development, operational support to U.S. warfighters on the front line, and an in-house WMD think tank that aims to anticipate and mitigate future threats long before they have a chance to harm the United States and our allies.

JWK Corporation - (JWK) has provided reliable, high quality professional services to our customers for over 30 years. Our customers, which include the Department of Defense, numerous U.S. government agencies, and various commercial and foreign enterprises, have come to realize that JWK stands for high quality, affordable technical expertise.

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Lots of questions come to mind! What happened in the almost five years since the article? Shouldn't we have a working prototype somewhere somehow by now? Why choose Guam to set up a demo? Why sell the electricity instead of the power plant? Why not license the technology, given that it's patented?

If indeed this technology can process nuclear waste, it's needed everywhere worldwide and would be worth billions and billions of dollars. Why has nothing been heard which would be meaningful about its success? It seems very strange that the only way to work it out all these famous people thought up involved a crook who is now impeached. And that they have done meaningful since. Could it be that it doesn't work? Or that it was some sort of scam to start with? Maybe a scam that only a few of the players knew was a scam?

**Shane D.** · Feb 24th 2018

Snoopy,

I think the Genie technology is still around, and has been incorporated into the NASA/JWK/SPAWAR/Vladimir Pines collaboration. New USPTO Patent Applications

Like everything related to LENR, there are more questions than answers as you point out. I am sure there is a very interesting story waiting to be told.

US Navy (SPAWAR)/Global Energy Corporation/LENR

Conventional Nuclear (AKA Nuclear Fission) a thread for discussion of the pros / cons.

Ultra-dense hydrogen and Rydberg matter—a more informal general discussion thread

LENR vs Solar/Wind, and emerging Green Technologies.

The Playground

A new proton model: toroidal single particle

Members in NYC who could visit the NY Science Library.

Dr. Daniele Gozzi, Cold Fusion: Memoirs and Testimonies, Primo Levi Museum, University of Rome La Sapienza, July 2023

Dr Bill Collis Memorial Workshop, Strasbourg France

Proceedings of ICCF-13

Mechanism of Cold fusion is verified by evidence that femto-H2 exists

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