LENR is occurring in SAFIRE

Quote from H-G Branzell

David, I have already studied the Wikipedia article on plasma double layers, thank you.

What evidence do you have to support your proposition that plasma double layers were present in the Lugano experiment?

HGB,

You know, me and friends are independand researchers.

The main problem for us or other team is to find enough time for LENR, both money.

Nobody never gave us some gifts to help research.

Today Rossi is criticized for the way he works therefore some teams with no more clear results as Brouillin or Mills made the same, in few words , oversell their "discoveries" to try to touch more easily some guys as Dewey Weaver or others, for example.

This is why i couln't share more about what i know, sorry.

DF

lenr-forum.com/attachment/5213/lenr-forum.com/attachment/5216/ Plasmoids Flying Off in the Safire Video

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In the Safire video, there are apparently microplasmoids flying off the Langmuir probe and the active

plasmoid surface that they were attempting to analyze by using the probe. Earlier, with the first Langmuir probe, you can see white patches on the surface. I think

those areas were in an active plasmoid state. Maybe the whole surface was. As I explain in my articles, atoms can change state from the dormant state to active plamoid

states. In the active plasmoid state, they exhibit ball lightning properties such as the ability to make material disappear (convert atoms to energy or transport them). That is why I

think the first Langmuir probe disappeared. It would be interesting to see a slow motion video of a probe disappearing like that. I could not see that the disappearance of the probe

was gradual in the video at the speed the video was shot.

Above are four screen shots from the video. I put numbers by interesting plasmoid tracks 1 through 5.

Here is the first one.lenr-forum.com/attachment/5213/

In the above, at point 40:41 you can see by numbers 1 and 2 two separate plasmoids with comet-like tails. That is a fairly common type of plasmoid. In 2016, I saw a red

ball lightning with a tail that was about 2 or 3 inches in diameter (about the size of a golf ball) with a red tail about three feet long. However, unlike these,

the tail on that was zigzagged, just like you would see with a zigzagging lightning bolt. The above plasmoids are common, see the following pictures by Shoulders

and Urutskoev.

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This picture was taken by Ken Shoulders who used a fast camera to capture the picture. You can see the tail that is either a physical part of the plasmoid or a streak in the photograph.

Compare this to the one caught on film by

Urutskoev about the year 2000.

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This isn`t a photograph. The plasmoid touched the nuclear emulsion (plastic sheet coated with emulsion) and left

the streak above. You can see the head and the streamers off the sides just like on a comet. The above pictures were taken from

an article I wrote about plasmoids and planetary markings. In the video I made with Gary Hendershot in 2014, I showed a lot

of planetary plasmoid marking pictures. There is a clear similarity of planetary plasmoid markings as described by people on the thunderbolts.info site about

their Electric Universe theory and natural ball lightning on earth and experimentally produced microplasmoids.

Photographs of flying plasmoids and the traces caught on photographic film or nuclear emulsions or other types of

particle detection materials look similar. The next image is off of a video shown by Shoulders of a ball lightning precursor

of lightning. It isn`t lightning, it is a picture of a very fast moving ball lightning that led a visible lightning bolt. It moved too fast

to see. In the video (shown on my video on the Smartscarecrow channel in 2014), you can watch the ball lightning going from right

to left across the screen. This was going very fast with a very fast camera. So the tail isn`t a streak, but is actually a part

of the plasmoid.

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After a few seconds, the ball lightning leaves the screen, then the bolt lights up quite brightly. See the Video Plasmoid Paradigm for more.

At Number 3 on the first picture, you can see a material pit. It looks similar to plasmoid pits commonly seen in various plasmoid and transmutation experiments.

It is similar to plasmoid pits as in the following pictures by Shoulders and on Mars.

In the next picture at 4, there is a paired plasmoid. Plasmoids can form long chains. They often pair.lenr-forum.com/attachment/5216/

You can see lots of plasmoids. There is another faint pair to the right of the 4.

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The above has the pits of a paired plasmoid. The figure was taken off my one of my articles.

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The two sets of paired pits are on Mars. See my Planetary Plasmoid articles on my site:

plasmoid-revolution.com You can find a lot of pictures like these there. The pits are too

similar to be random. The first group has inner humps and the second group has inner pits

Notice the characteristic spacing between the pits relative to the size of the pits. In both cases,

nearly identical objects hit simultaneously. The pits are quite beautiful actually. There are pictures

of plasmoid string pits (many plasmoids) in the Smartscarecrow video and my Planetary Plamoid

articles.

At point 5 in the picture below, you can see a bright round mark. That was a commonly found kind

of plasmoid mark that Matsumoto caught on his nuclear emulsions around 1992 to 1993. He called

them white holes. There has been a lot of discussion (starting before Matsumoto) of ball lightning

having something to do with black holes or white holes. I feel the ideas sometimes make sense, and often don`t.

In order to understand these plasmoids, people need to switch paradigms off the QM and Relativity theory.

In this last photograph, some of the anomalous phenomena of plasmoids are pictured. If these objects in the Safire

videos are real ball lightning-like plasmoids, these types of sharp turns should happen.

Quote from Ed Lewis

As I explain in my articles, atoms can change state from the dormant state to active plamoid

states. In the active plasmoid state, they exhibit ball lightning properties such as the ability to make material disappear (convert atoms to energy or transport them).

Interesting to note the similarities between what you wrote and Rydberg Matter:

- A set of excited atoms can change state and condense to clusters (plasmoids) called Rydberg Matter,

- Rydberg Matter has been proposed as an explanation for ball lightning because presenting the same characteristics,

- Rydberg Matter of hydrogen can switch to an ultra condensed form which, following Holmlid, "disappears" in converting atoms (baryons) in relativistic mesons.

Actually, you can replace "plasmoid" in your whole text by "Rydberg Matter" and it works every time.

Could I ask, Shane, which links don`t work

Does this link work

http://sciencejunk.org/?page_id=81

Julian Bianchi wrote:

Interesting to note the similarities between what you wrote and Rydberg Matter:

- A set of excited atoms can change state and condense to clusters (plasmoids) called Rydberg Matter,

- Rydberg Matter has been proposed as an explanation for ball lightning because presenting the same characteristics,

- Rydberg Matter of hydrogen can switch to an ultra condensed form which, following Holmlid, "disappears" in converting atoms (baryons) in relativistic mesons.

Actually, you can replace "plasmoid" in your whole text by "Rydberg Matter" and it works every time.

I used to try to understand Rydberg Matter as a type of plasmoid. I think atoms are a type of dormant plasmoid. I don`t think anyone would claim that Rydberg atoms behave in the was I think active ball lightning-like plasmoids behave.

I said that large plasmoids hit planets and leave large pits many kilometers in diameter. Do you think Rydberg Matter does that? Would you say that Rydberg Matter does the same?

Ball lightning can visually bore through glass (they are big), and a different behavior is that they pass through glass without boring and without leaving apparent effects in the glass. Do you

think Rydberg Matter can do that? Would they leave large holes?

Have you seen anyone declaring that the filaments that Dash photographed and analyzed in the early to middle 1990s were Rydberg Matter? It has been so long, I forgot if people were saying that.

I thought about it and came to the conclusion that there is possibly an overlap along with a lot of confusion and misunderstanding. I mean all atoms are plasmoids. But I am not sure anyone ever claimed that ball lightning (of the anomalous kind present in transmutation devices, with all the anomalies I describe about it) is a Rydberg Matter. One of the big problems with studying ball lightning and with literature about ball lightning is that the really anomalous behaviors are ignored or misunderstood by both observers and by scientists. Ball lightning is SO MISUNDERSTOOD that when people use the word, they have all sorts of definitions, and few understand it even as a conventional plasmoid as understood back in the 1960s. Few understand anything substantial.

Who is Holmlid? What exactly did he say about atoms disappearing? Under what conditions? Has anyone put his name to asserting that Shoulder`s plasmoids were Rydberg Matter?

I am thinking about writing another article. I am wondering if you can explain these phenomena as Rydberg Matter behavior.

Quote from Ed Lewis

Rydberg Matter of hydrogen can switch to an ultra condensed form which

Hydrogen = Proton + sometimes electron...

I would never talk of Rydberg matter in connection with Hydrogen. The proton is a particle! The question always was how will the proton be embedded into condensed matter. On the other side Rydberg Potassium is just a special ionization state of K nothing more. Here the question is: How do the Rydberg electrons organize themselves?

What Holmlid sees is Spin-stabilized matter. We have strong indications that the proton can acquire a higher (lower over all energy) spin state. But this has nothing to do with its electron. It is also not predicted by QM and is not covered by classical J+ quantum numbers...

Just wait for the theory!

Material Effects of Plamoids in the SAFIRE Device

I posted a post about Plasmoids in the SAFIRE Device yesterday. Here is a continuation. The above picture has the numbers 6 and 7 because I described points 1 to 5 yesterday.

In the above picture, at point 42:00, this is a color picture showing two plasmoids at Numbers 6 and 7. The size difference is interesting. I am wondering if this is because one is much closer than the other one to the camera, or there are big size differences between the plasmoids. Again, you can see the big pit or set of pits on whatever that is at the right side. I suspect those are plasmoid craters. The way ball lightning-like plasmoids can leave craters is anomalous.

However, even more startling morphological change happens when a spot of atoms in a piece of material change state to be active plasmoids. The atoms start to transmute and move even though the rest of the object is still in the solid, dormant, usual state of atoms. For example, in Dash`s articles from the early to middle 1990s such as one or two articles published in Fusion Technology, he described an object that he used in this experiments that was set aside in a petri dish, and over time, they noticed it changed shape, filaments grew, and material analysis evidenced isotopic and elemental changes.

In the below Figure by Dash that I republished with his permission my 2008 article, you can see on the right the elemental analysis.

Savvatimova was another who described even more startling effects, though I never saw pictures from her group. There described whole

regions moving around, submerging, arising and changing shape over time after their experiment was finished.

Atoms: Atoms are not what people claim. And attempts to understand them or plasmoids from a QM viewpoint are passe. However, I

appreciate it when I see that people are really trying to understand these very anomalous phenomena using QM hypotheses as their starting

point because it is important to see how far people can go modeling atoms and ball lightning-like plasmoids in all their forms and states in a

conventional way using QM and Relativity theory as standpoints.

The atoms were are usually familiar with are in 4 states: solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. There have been two newer states discovered in

the last few years. Atoms can shift states to a 7th state I call the PLASMOID STATE. I`ve been writing about this for a long time. This shows

that atoms can state shift between dormant atoms and plasmoids in active plasmoids states.

I wonder if the above materials are still transforming or did the atoms shift back to the dormant state. I wonder if anyone know.

Paradigm change: People reading this blog have told me and commented that they don`t understand why I keep talking about history and

paradigmatic change in my posts. I keep writing about this because the only way to understand both the anomalies being discovered about

plasmoid behavior and the anomalies being discovered about atomic behavior (transmutation, morphological change, etc.) is to understand

these behaviors and effects from a new plasmoid standpoint. There needs to be a gestalt shift. Young people and the inexperienced (as Kuhn

wrote) are the ones who can have these gestalt shifts. So I am writing this to try to encourage people to think of these objects from new

principles. QM is passe. It works for the phenomena that accords with the theory, but doesn`t work with RADICAL ANOMALIES such as these.

Kuhn wrote about paradigm shifts: A paradigm shift (also radical theory change), a concept identified by the American physicist and philosopher Thomas Kuhn (1922–1996), is a fundamental change in the basic concepts and experimental practices of a scientific discipline. One of the problems I`m having trying to explain to people about

the need for the development of the new plasmoid paradigm is that they are unfamiliar with these concepts and the work of Kuhn. He wrote that only

the young or inexperienced in physics can have paradigm shifts.

Radical anomalies: Radical anomalies of the kind that enables or necessitates paradigm change in physics generally are observed during ``crisis periods``

in physics as Kuhn described in his book. These crisis periods last about 20 years. There was such a crisis period from about 1972 to 1992 or so as

experimenters kept finding transmutation and plasmoid anomalies....along with other radical anomalies. These will only be understood via paradigm shift.

How to have a paradigm shift: To have a physics paradigm shift, try to understand plasmoids without reference to QM theory or any other old theory.

Try to understand these phenomena experientially the way Shoulders advocated. He wrote about this a lot actually. This is why it is important

to actively research these phenomena experimentally and stop dismissing these phenomena as ``strange`` but inconsequential side effects in all the

experiments they`ve been discovered in. The presence of these in an experiment means that physical processes are happening that almost no one

really understands at all. They imply: that material in the device is converting to active plasmoid states (there are at least 2 if not a range) or that somehow

what we call energy is forming plasmoids.

If you are young or inexperienced enough, reading the literature including my articles on plasmoid-revolution.com will help.

Plasmoid shifts happen at 80 year intervals: I`ve written about this extensively. It is evident by reading the history of science that major

paradigm shifts in physics happened at intervals between 73 and 87 years. I tried to explain why this happen via a simple model that is based on

this concept of gestalt shifting and the principle that only the young or inexperienced have such shifts.

Continuing with their SAFIRE video:

At point 42:15, they pointed out the anomalous crater. So it was a crater. I am only now watching this part of the video. They don`t know what caused it or the anomalously

intense luminosity and radiation frequency changes.

At point 43:40 I noticed a bunch of what I call ``ditches`` that I suspect are plasmoid tracks. In the middle 1990s, I found such tracks on the lexan casings of the experiments

carried on in Miley`s Lab with microspheres. Pictures I took that include plasmoid marks are: http://www.sciencejunk.org/oldsite/ELEWIS9.html

and http://www.sciencejunk.org/oldsite/ELEWIS8.html

Dash and others have noticed similar `scratches.` But of course, much better analysis of such ditches has been done by other researchers more recently.

Point 44:04: The person speaking seems unfamiliar with Miley`s work and all the problems that happen when one uses SEM microscopy to try to pin down the elemental and

and chemical changes. This was always the criticism that Miley had about Matsumoto`s earlier massive transmutation and elemental shifts. This is why they did NAA

analysis in conjunction.... In the 1990s, people were saying the SIMs results were inaccurate. If people treat this work in the way they treated Matsumoto`s and Miley`s they``ll simply

say the results are inaccurate.

Below, here is the picture of what I`m suspecting are plasmoid scratches at pint 43:41. They look very much like those on the outside of Dash`s electrode as

shown in the FUSION TECHNOLOGY article, and I suspect that if examined for elemental composition, they`d find the same kind of elemental

shifts that Dash found upon examination of the tracks along with the sloshing residues along the side if these really are plasmoid ditches

and not some scratches caused mechanically.

This video is very interesting.

Point 43:43: At this point, he talks about ``white stuff.`` He starts to talk about elemental changes.

I want to point out that under the microscope, Miley`s electrodes I examined also had much change of color. I suspected this was because new minerals had formed.

Point 44:31: He says the outside `wasn`t affected at all.` I wonder if they consider the scratch marks above as simple mechanical

scratch marks. Or if they considered them.

As I wrote, they look very much like plasmoid marks I`ve seen on Dash`s and other`s pieces. Especially in that some are double grooves.

I hope what they don`t do as many seem to do when they find these type of anomalies: not focus on the plasmoids.

At 49:14: He shows the analysis chart of elements. They are going through the same procedure as Matsumoto and Miley did decades ago.

Then Urutskoev, Savvatimova, later...

EDX, SIMS,....... But they were ignored. Will this be.

Point 51:47 They are making the same mistake because they don`t know about atoms in a plasmoid state. Material seems to flow (`melting` isn`t the right word)

at temperatures below the materials normal melting point when in contact with an active (white state or bright) plasmoid or when the

atoms are in the plasmoid state themselves. When in contact with an active plasmoid, the atoms shift states. They should keep looking

at this sample to watch for continual elemental and morphological changes. He claimed the anode was only heated to 1,000.

Point 52:13: They are finding the same ``fracture`` along grain boundaries many have found. Matsumoto was the first to study this and publish

a good article about it. It was based on that work of around 1991 that I first had the conception of micro ball lightning in the electrodes. I told this

idea to Matsumoto, and he accepted it and went on to do a lot of good micro ball lightning and plasmoid research that was ignored.

Microscopic equipment has improved over the last 30 years! I have a concern for them. They are going through the same steps toward being

ignored by everyone that everyone else including Miley went through. This group of people actually do study plasmoids. However, they do it

from the 1960s viewpoint and never seemed to appreciate Shoulders`` work or my own, even though the thunderbolts.info site does

have one of my articles I submitted for the site. Until they understand the anomalous behaviors of plasmoids, they will never understand these

phenomena and anomalies they are finding. And their research will hit the same dead end. Even Matsumoto`s and Shoulders and Urutskoev`s

research was ignored. They are rediscovering the same phenomena already discovered by many other groups and seem unaware they

are following the same old tracks.

Point 53:41: They seem unaware of the more seminal articles of Matsumoto and Shoulders.

Quote from Wyttenbach

Hydrogen = Proton + sometimes electron...

I would never talk of Rydberg matter in connection with Hydrogen. The proton is a particle! The question always was how will the proton be embedded into condensed matter. On the other side Rydberg Potassium is just a special ionization state of K nothing more. Here the question is: How do the Rydberg electrons organize themselves?

What Holmlid sees is Spin-stabilized matter. We have strong indications that the proton can acquire a higher (lower over all energy) spin state. But this has nothing to do with its electron. It is also not predicted by QM and is not covered by classical J+ quantum numbers...

Just wait for the theory!

I wasn`t the one who said that above. I quoted the text as a way to respond. Ed Lewis

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Quote from Ed Lewis

I used to try to understand Rydberg Matter as a type of plasmoid. I think atoms are a type of dormant plasmoid. I don`t think anyone would claim that Rydberg atoms behave in the was I think active ball lightning-like plasmoids behave.

Some have. Starting with Manykin himself as early as in 1982. Unfortunately most articles of Manykin were written in Russian. Only a very few are in English and still less available in an electronic format. If you have access to a good university library, you may find one of those (all by Manykin et al):

- On the nature of ball lightning. Zh. Tekh. Fiz. 52(7) 5 (1982).

- Ball lightning is very much like Rydberg matter, isn’t it? In A. G. Keul (ed.) Progress in Ball Lightning Research: Proc. VIZOTUM, p. 54, Salzburg, Austria (1993).

- Decay of long-lived excited states of condensed matter and the problem of ball lightning stability. J. Moscow Phys. Soc., 8 19-22 (1998).

- Rydberg matter and ball lightning. In: 6th International Symposium on Ball Lightning: (ISBL99) ; Proceedings ; University of Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium (1999).

Quote from Ed Lewis

I said that large plasmoids hit planets and leave large pits many kilometers in diameter. Do you think Rydberg Matter does that? Would you say that Rydberg Matter does the same?

Rydberg Matter has been proposed to exist in space in various publications. Here is one. I don't know if this corroborates what you claim.

Quote from Ed Lewis

Who is Holmlid? What exactly did he say about atoms disappearing? Under what conditions? Has anyone put his name to asserting that Shoulder`s plasmoids were Rydberg Matter?

Leif Holmlid is a Swedish professor. His publications. According to his work, Rydberg Matter of hydrogen can condense to an ultra-dense form that can spontaneously transform (and as such "disappear") in relativistic mesons, mainly neutral kaons. Holmlid published much on this subject. Here is one.

For the rest, I don't know, sorry.

The problem I found when people tried to explain Ball Lightning as Rydberg Matter (as I used to study in the 1990s and the 2000s) is that they might know enough QM to write something plausible, no one of them knew much about ball lightning. That is the problem with many BL publications. The authors seem completely unaware of Shoulders``, Matsumoto`s etc. experimental studies that displayed results matching the more anomalous characteristics of macroscopic natural ball lightning in the atmosphere: the ability to pass through glass without leaving a mark or damage to the glass, the ability to bore nice round holes in the glass without fracturing the glass, the ability to state shift between black and white (dark and bright) states, massive transmutation

effects associated with them and some even more bizarre phenomena.

The people who write and try to model ball lightning as some sort of QM effect don`t ever address and try to explain these anomalous phenomena. So their theories, models, hypotheses are basically useless. Shoulders`` himself avoided all QM explanation or modeling... for good reason.... and Matsumoto tried, but toward the end there, I think his ideas fell out of what

people thought were plausible or made sense.

If anyone can point me to any QM model that explains the above behaviors (that is the challenge for anyone trying to model them), then I`d wonder if they can also explain the more bizarre behaviors. Few people ever even consider them. But no theory for what people call ``LENR`` will be complete without an explanation for the ball lightning plasmoid effects since these are ubiquitous in all transmutation experiments (even Iwamura`s) as far as I can tell, and no explanation, model of plasmoids will be well valid or even relevant I think (except in special cases) unless they address and comprehend the above anomalous effects in my opinion.

As I`ve written since I first started to publish in the early 1990s, I don`t actually believe in LENR since I don`t believe in nuclei. Read my book and articles about this. I think that dormant

atoms and active plasmoids are both plasmoid states. Shoulders himself didn`t believe in nuclei either. People should find this instructive and drop all reference to nuclei when modeling

both plasmoids and transmutation effects, in my opinion, if they can. Whoever had more experiential understanding of plasmoids than Shoulders except for maybe Matsumoto.

For my articles (most published), please see plasmoid-revolution.com What hasn`t been published as far as I am aware of though are my articles on Planetary Plasmoid markings. For that, I got much information from the thunderbolts.info website that the SAFIRE people support and write for (they also make cosmological videos). Does anyone have problems reading my site or the links. Above Shane D. says the links in the first blog article above don`t work. Sometimes, thunderbolts.info doesn`t work for some reason.